Proposal: NYR - COL off season Blockbuster

[ViD]

Rantanen is worth the money but having him and no goalie isn't exactly a recipe for success. We have limited cap space. We can't afford to pay Rantanen what he wants, sign a decent goalie, and fill out the rest of the roster.

As many people who are justifying not paying Igor what he wants say , a team can win the cup with an average goalie if they are loaded in other positions

 

[benfranklin]

Any talk or concern yet about him not signing and testing UFA? Do you ride him for the year and lose him for nothing or trade at the deadline for a decent ransom and go without him into the playoffs?

That is likely how I see the Avs acquiring him in fantasy world.

 

[FoxysExpensiveNYDigs]

Panarin and Rantanen are 100+ point scoring wingers, they’re worth every penny

Laf ? I wouldn’t pay him $8m+

Rantanen is a great player and worth the money, just not a fit for a team with bad center depth especially at the expense of a world class goalie. Laf is worth 7-8 and looks to be increasing in value this season.

 

[myperbixhurts]

Nah they are missing Kadri & Burakovsky in that case on forward and Byram at Defense

Drouin isnt better than either of those 2 guys

Landeskog wont be as good as 2022 version of himself if he comes back

Lehkonen is as good/better than then

Nichushkin is unreliable and a huge risk every playoff game at the moment

The 2022 Avs was probably the deepest and best team in the NHL of the cap era

Burakovsky was healthy scratch at times during 22 playoffs, although he did produce when he was in the lineup. Drouin can more or less replace that. I’d give you Kadri though. Mittelstadt seems to be coming along nicely as the Avs 2C, but Kadri did bring that grit and playoff style hockey.

Defense was deeper with Byram and EJ, no doubt. I was mainly referring to forward depth when I said Avs will be as deep as they were in 22 when they get everyone back.

 

[TGWL]

No point in NYR trading Shesterkin to get a UFA back.
1. No guarantee we can sign him.
2. He's going to get paid just like Shesterkin and we won't have money for any decent goalie.

Doesn't really work.

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

We're talking about players that would essentially have zero value here... Don't think it really matters if the value is "fair" or not. Both guys would be worth like a 4th round pick at this point of discussion.

 

[ViD]

We're talking about players that would essentially have zero value here... Don't think it really matters if the value is "fair" or not. Both guys would be worth like a 4th round pick at this point of discussion.

Well, clearly, this implies both players and teams would have interest in re-signing

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

Well, clearly, this implies both players and teams would have interest in re-signing

Literally doesn't change anything. They're pending UFAs free to sign with any team they want in a matter of days/weeks.

Those players carry next to zero value no matter how good they are at that point.


Unless you're expecting us to ignore the off-season part and assume a trade during the season. Which simply isn't going to happen on either side.

 

[SI90]

Value is good but why would the rangers trade their top5 in the league franchise goalie? I know his contract demands are outrageous but I suspect they will come down. If he wants to stay in NY and be well compensated while being a contender. If he just cares about the money then he’ll go to the highest bidder who is likely not a great team because most playoff/competitive teams won’t be able to afford him.

I think in the end he stays with the rangers. The other recent goalie contracts are showing the goalie market for what it is. Yes, Igor is the best one but they offered him a more than fair and respectable $11M AAV long term deal that made him the highest paid goalie in the league. Can’t do much better than that.

One interesting scenario is TOR. Leafs have Tavares contract coming off the books and could move out money on top of that and offer Igor a big deal. They’d be a way more complete team if they say

Trade Marner + don’t bring back Tavares or sign him for dirt cheap + add Igor.

 

[SI90]

As many people who are justifying not paying Igor what he wants say , a team can win the cup with an average goalie if they are loaded in other positions

This is true but it’s rare. In most cases the Stanley cup winning goalies have played great or really well in the playoffs.

 

[OilersFanatics505]

This is true but it’s rare. In most cases the Stanley cup winning goalies have played great or really well in the playoffs.

Colorado winning with a one eyed goalie and a backup.

 

[JKG33]

Both teams say no. The Avs are a great team that can win with mid goaltending, especially considering how well they've done with the boat anchor that is Georgiev.

Meanwhile the Rags are a bunch of overpaid divas that only go as far as their goalie takes them. Swapping that goalie out for another expensive forward makes them a much worse team

 

[SnowblindNYR]

Panarin and Rantanen are 100+ point scoring wingers, they’re worth every penny

Laf ? I wouldn’t pay him $8m+

Bro, your ignorance and vandetta against Laf because you want Panarin to get all the glory is transparent.

Both teams say no. The Avs are a great team that can win with mid goaltending, especially considering how well they've done with the boat anchor that is Georgiev.

Meanwhile the Rags are a bunch of overpaid divas that only go as far as their goalie takes them. Swapping that goalie out for another expensive forward makes them a much worse team

Leafs fan calling any other team overpaid divas is hilarious.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

Value isn’t bad. But I wouldn’t do it. An elite goaltender is more valuable than an elite winger.

 

[SI90]

Colorado winning with a one eyed goalie and a backup.

“This is true but it’s rare”

 

[GAGLine]

As many people who are justifying not paying Igor what he wants say , a team can win the cup with an average goalie if they are loaded in other positions

Sure they can. They can also lose with an average goalie. It's kind of hard to be loaded in other positions when we are paying 58% of the cap to our top 6 forwards. Ask Toronto how loading up in their top 6 has worked for them.

And again, that assumes we can even afford an average goalie after paying Rantanen, which we probably can't.

 

[MartyOwns]

as a devils fan, i love this.

 

[LOFIN]

As an Avs fan, no…

Shesterkin is a great goalie, but Avs don’t really need a great, elite goalie to win as they proved it in 22, so giving up Mikko for Shesterkin and signing him to 11 or 12 mill contract won’t make sense for them.

If it's clear Mikko doesn't want to re-sign, then I'm all for it. The savings from signing Shesterkin (10-11m) instead of Mikko (12-13m)

Let's just get something straight here: if there was a bizarro world where this trade would happen, Shesterkin would be more expensive to re-sign than Rantanen for the Avs. Shesterkin has already turned down an 88 million dollar offer from the Rangers. Guess how much that would be on a 7 year deal with the Avs? 12.5, and that's just what Igor turned down. Whereas with Rantanen the current state of negotiations is that apparently the Avs are not offering Rantanen anywhere near that type of cash right now. Probably offering him something in the 11s at max.

But it's not going to happen. Rangers team construction needs Igor. And making this trade after the deadline only means you have an early start with negotiations, nothing more. Neither team can offer the 8th year if they don't have the player on their roster by trade deadline.

 

[TFHockey]

Where is Bern in this, that's what I want to know.

 

[MHO]

Has anyone considered Colorado's cap situation going into next year assuming Landeskog and Nichushkin come back? They're currently pretty close to the cap with those guys on LTIR or player assistance. Even with Rantanen's $9.25M coming off the books next year, I don't know how they fit a ~$12-14M contract for the upcoming seasons especially when it comes time to give Makar a raise.

They're probably going to have to get creative.

 

[dirtydanglez]

goalies just dont have the type of value. avs are better off keeping rantanen

 

[TGWL]

Where is Bern in this, that's what I want to know.

Bern will send you Shesterkin for Mikko, while also including a very sexy Mika DJ, for whatever top ELC/cheap prospect you can give us. And by whatever I mean your absolute best.

 

[tmg]

Are we theorizing that both players (and both teams) want 8 year deals, and this deal is basically swapping the rights to offer an eighth year by agreeing to re-sign their own player before the swap, and both players going along with it because they crucially want that eighth year?

Because if not for that - I don’t see why this would happen. If either of them wants to test the ufa market and is willing to accept the best seven year contract the highest bidder in the market will offer, there’s no reason they’d have any value here. At the proposed trade time (next summer) they’d hold all the cards for a walk to free agency.

 

[ViD]

Are we theorizing that both players (and both teams) want 8 year deals, and this deal is basically swapping the rights to offer an eighth year by agreeing to re-sign their own player before the swap, and both players going along with it because they crucially want that eighth year?

Yes, the assumption is they sign with their new teams after the trade

 

[Kocur Dill]

Why would the Rangers refuse to pay Shersterkin only to give that same money or more to Rantanen?

The not so intricate answer...

A $12m skater goes down and you can shuffle the other 11 guys to compensate and fill the 12th spot as needed at the cap hit that works.

Your $12m goalie goes down? Woof. The odds are now you're entire season is FUBAR due to cap and availability of players to replace.