Proposal: Nyr-car

[Maurice of Orange]

Sorry I'm kinda getting off subject, but I wouldn't mind having a guy like Oscar Lindberg on the Flyers. I thought he had a decent rookie season for the Rangers. Rangers got a steal when they traded for Lindberg.

A trade between the Philadelphia Flyers and New York Rangers would never work though because they are division rivals.

 

[NotOpie]

However, the point is that if Murphy was good enough, he would have stuck before those guys, who were drafted AFTER him and in lower rounds. Draft position isn't the be all end all, but if you were drafted 5 YEARS AGO and still haven't stuck despite multiple chances at the NHL level of 20-30 game stints and while the NHL team hasn't had a good defense, you're doing something wrong.

You can cut it anyway you like it, but Murphy hasn't stuck despite multiple chances and his time running short. Those are facts.

....or as any informed Carolina Hurricanes viewer would opine, perhaps it is more a function of Slavin and Pesce being better at hockey. Doesn't mean Murphy (whom I'm not a huge fan of) is trash. Yes, smaller, puck movers do often take a little longer to marinate into NHLers. Again, to all who've watched the Canes, there is the realization that this is Murphy's "put up or shut up" season. Management, by signing him to a two year, affordable "expansion fodder" contract clearly knows it as well.

While saying Murphy has been given multiple chances to make the team is true, it is a vast and somewhat uniformed overstatement.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

The premise of trading Murphy for bottom 6 forward help went out the door when the Canes bought out Wiz and added, TT, Stalberg, Stempniak, and Bickell. Murphy is the #6 right now, and probably the designated expansion draft fodder with his 2 year contract. The likelihood of him being moved went from near certainty to begin the offseason to extremely unlikely now.

I think this post, from a couple days ago nails it the best. I don't think Murphy would bring back in a trade enough to offset the value he has based on everything above so there is no use moving him. That could change come training camp, or a week, 2 weeks, 6 weeks or whatever into the season, but as of right now, this is how I see it.

If Murphy plays terribly to start the season or at training camp, I could see how the Canes might then trade him for a poor return, as he'd have to pass through Waivers (I think) anyhow, but as of right now, I don't see it.

 

[tarheelhockey]

I've seen more than enough of Murphy, Slavin and Pesce. Pesce was somewhat impressive, but nowhere near worth being named with guys like Parayko and Gostisbehere.

If you've really watched these three, Pesce's name shouldn't be the one you mention as the standout.

 

[vipernsx]

As a NYR fan, I wouldn't want to trade Lindberg for Ryan Murphy.

Defensemen > Offenseman
PM RHD > Bottom 6 role players

I'm a Lindberg fan, but he doesn't have more upside then what he is now, a bottom 6 role guy.

I'm a Murphy fan and while he's struggling he's got solid upside potential. Somewhat of a boom or bust move. Bottom 6 role guys are a dime a dozen so the risk is minimal.

 

[TGWL]

Defensemen > Offenseman
PM RHD > Bottom 6 role players

I'm a Lindberg fan, but he doesn't have more upside then what he is now, a bottom 6 role guy.

I'm a Murphy fan and while he's struggling he's got solid upside potential. Somewhat of a boom or bust move. Bottom 6 role guys are a dime a dozen so the risk is minimal.

Lindberg was a plus 12, put up 28 points in 68 games, and was our our 7th best p/60 player. I'd like to see what he's able to do with a full season, trusted in the line-up.

 

[Chairman Maouth]

That was truly an epic pissing match. Knock it off.

 

[bernmeister]

good effort by OP, but I see Murphy more as a throw in on a larger deal than a main piece:

something around
Stepan
for
Pesce, Murphy, cap dump Bickell, return of NYR 2nd and add Canes 2nd, 2017

haven't finalized, but that is my thinking
rangers have multiple more deals, but this helps on their RD, and helps w/team salary structure. adds an expansion draft exempt asset.

Canes get the 20th best C, approx, under term, for top $ but getting cheaper over bal of deal.

If you've really watched these three, Pesce's name shouldn't be the one you mention as the standout.

please comment on Slavin, and his possible availability in my proposed deal in lieu of pick - is he LD, RD, and I think ELC so expansion exempt?

 

[tarheelhockey]

please comment on Slavin, and his possible availability in my proposed deal in lieu of pick - is he LD, RD, and I think ELC so expansion exempt?

LD, will be on his ELC for this season AND next.

He's not untouchable, but the offer would have to be something significant. He's already a solid second-pair and doesn't turn 23 till May. Chances are pretty good that he'll top out in the range of a #2, maybe #3 sort of defenseman. Moving him would be a blow to our defense so there would have to be real offensive firepower coming back.

 

[Raspewtin]

doesn't Murphy have like no value?

I like his skillset but not at the expense of a useful player on a lit contract.

 

[GoldiFox]

LD, will be on his ELC for this season AND next.

He's not untouchable, but the offer would have to be something significant. He's already a solid second-pair and doesn't turn 23 till May. Chances are pretty good that he'll top out in the range of a #2, maybe #3 sort of defenseman. Moving him would be a blow to our defense so there would have to be real offensive firepower coming back.

Canes have no reason to move him unless the return would be that of an already-established, young, 6-year-guaranteed #2 D. Primarily because Slavin is already slated to start the season on the top-pairing and looked good in this role last year.

I don't see anything on NYR that would entice me to move Slavin at this point.

 

[tarheelhockey]

doesn't Murphy have like no value?

Basically. He's worth a lower-than-2nd round draft pick at this point.

 

[GoldiFox]

doesn't Murphy have like no value?

I like his skillset but not at the expense of a useful player on a lit contract.

He has basically no real value to the league, which is why the Canes are happy to keep him and see if he can develop this year. It was abundantly clear after the buyout of Wizniewski and the lack of any replacement signing that Murphy would be given a shot to prove his worth on the Hurricanes roster in 16-17. He won't be moved and the Canes already have more than enough bottom-6 forwards.

 

[RodTheBawd]

Canes have no reason to move him unless the return would be that of an already-established, young, 6-year-guaranteed #2 D. Primarily because Slavin is already slated to start the season on the top-pairing and looked good in this role last year.

I don't see anything on NYR that would entice me to move Slavin at this point.

That's not a fair statement to make. There's nothing that NYR would be willing to give up for what it would take for us to move Slavin.

 

[GoldiFox]

That's not a fair statement to make. There's nothing that NYR would be willing to give up for what it would take for us to move Slavin.

It's my opinion, not a definitive factual statement. There isn't a piece that exists on the NYR that would entice me to give up Slavin given all the variables in place. Put another way, I wouldn't trade Slavin straight up for any piece currently on the NYR. Again, IMO.

Some might say "Well, you'd definitely do it for Stepan, McDonagh, Kreider, Miller, etc. straight up". My answer is "No, I wouldn't".

Certainly isn't a statement of value, however. Guys like Stepan and McDonagh clearly have more trade value in the NHL right now. Doesn't change my opinion. I see Slavin as the next Brodie or Josi, a future top-20 D that is only 1 year into his ELC contract.