Proposal: NYR-BUF

[Mikachu93]

People in this thread who think the Sabres are going to get this ridiculous package consisting of multiple first line players in return for a guy who supposedly wants out are out to lunch.

 

[SundherDome]

I gave an example of Stone's deal and evaluated the returns in Stone's deal. Stop being obtuse. You said "Buffalo wouldn't trade Eichel for Brannstrom and 2nd" when no one should be able to draw that conclusion based on what I wrote.

Eichel is also, younger, plays a higher valued position, has produced more offensively and is signed long term. The Stone comparison is way off and is more suited for maybe an O'Reilly comparison but again, position.

 

[Flan the incredible]

People in this thread who think the Sabres are going to get this ridiculous package consisting of multiple first line players in return for a guy who supposedly wants out are out to lunch.

You forgot they are just going to take whatever players they want from a teams roster and highly regarded prospects have minimal value because they haven't proven anything on the ice.

Sabre fans think they are going to get McDavid for Eichel because at least he has proven something lol.

 

[Mikachu93]

You forgot they are just going to take whatever players they want from a teams roster and highly regarded prospects have minimal value because they haven't proven anything on the ice.

Sabre fans think they are going to get McDavid for Eichel because at least he has proven something lol.

I’d love to see what kind of offers these fans would make for another teams top player.

Guaranteed no offers include Dahlin, Cozens or Reinhart

 

[GAGLine]

i later realised that op was amended and kravtsov was in the initial offer. i still think nyr would be stupid to turn down such a deal. eichel is an absolutely awesome 1c. way better than zibanejad.
even with karvtsov in the deal, this isn't 4 quarters for one dollar offer. most of the pieces from the rangers are closer to a dime than a quarter in comparison with eichel. at least one of the pieces should have a chance to become as impactful as eichel is today. imo none of the pieces from the rangers offers this kind of upside. kakko has a chance to become a top line winger. strome is a middle 6er. chytil is also heading that way and kravtsov might turn into one. rangers could easily replace those middle 6er. a player like eichel is tough to come by.

It's 3 roster players plus one of our best prospects for 1 player who has a 10 mil cap hit. That doesn't make us a better team. Yeah, we can replace most of those players eventually, but it would set our rebuild back. Meanwhile, the clock would be ticking on both Panarin and Eichel.

Buffalo isn't getting either Kakko or Laf for Eichel. I don't care what Buffalo fans think, it isn't happening. If that means we aren't getting Eichel, I'm totally fine with that.

 

[Flan the incredible]

I’d love to see what kind of offers these fans would make for another teams top player.

Guaranteed no offers include Dahlin, Cozens or Reinhart

I actually posted that in another thread. Used Matthew's as an example. It would obviously have to be Dahlin, Cozens, Quinn and Reinhart as that would be fair value. Matthews is also a much better player. Sabre fans obviously wouldnt reply.

 

[Kendo]

Ryan Strome- 35 point player in Edmonton, came to New York and fell into a great situation playing next to a star in Panarin. Revived his career. Is he likely a better player than he showed in Edmonton? Sure. Is he a 60 point player when not attached to Panarin? Probably not.

Strome has 8 points in the 6 games since Panarin has been out of the lineup. Just sayin'.

 

[Hasekperreault23]

People in this thread who think the Sabres are going to get this ridiculous package consisting of multiple first line players in return for a guy who supposedly wants out are out to lunch.

He doesn't want out no reports he does other than your opinion and although iam late in this discussion what first line players are you talking about?

 

[AirGut]

Buffalo hangs up. Classic HFboards: we want one of the best young centres in hockey but don’t want to give away any of our best young pieces. Who from the OPs offer is a game changer for Buffalo?Seeing Eichel in the East for 6 more years needs a huge overpay for the Sabres to consider it. Rather send him to LA.

The proposal is Kakko and Chytil............what do you mean "won't give away any of our best young pieces"?

 

[The S5]

You're aware he's been playing through an UBI all year, a LBI for a couple weeks now, and that he scored 36 goals in 68 games last year?
Carry on.

Ok let's do that. Chytil- Nice young player, trending towards being a top 6 center. Kakko- Could be a top 6 player. That's based more on pedigree than actual on-ice results at this point though. Awful rookie year, this year looks more engaged, still can't score. Personally not a huge fan. Ryan Strome- 35 point player in Edmonton, came to New York and fell into a great situation playing next to a star in Panarin. Revived his career. Is he likely a better player than he showed in Edmonton? Sure. Is he a 60 point player when not attached to Panarin? Probably not. Also he's a UFA at the end of next season and will be looking for a raise. Not the type of player a rebuilding team would target.
So yeah for a franchise player that's a pile of garbage.

I've lost IQ points just reading that drivel.

 

[AirGut]

Gonna end up being like Nash, it'll throw everyone off the loop for what they deemed Eichel's true value to be. There's a lot more complications in a trade like this and in the real world players never get moved for what they should be worth.

Probably a maintained package of

+Strome
+Kakko
+Lundkvist
+Georgiev
+1st Rd. Pick

No team in this league is going to move a Zegras or a Byfield and the Rangers certainly aren't moving Laf or Fox (definitely not Fox, his value will be near Eichel's level come pretty soon). BUF doesn't have to move him but things are going to keep getting very bad and a rookie GM with no proper overseer leaves the probability for an Eichel trade to be even less than what I proposed, much higher.

 

[Boondock]

I gave an example of Stone's deal and evaluated the returns in Stone's deal. Stop being obtuse. You said "Buffalo wouldn't trade Eichel for Brannstrom and 2nd" when no one should be able to draw that conclusion based on what I wrote.

You used the Stone deal but they are not similar at all.
1- Stone is a RW
2- Stone was an upcoming UFA
3- Stone was not coming back to the Sens and had a short list of teams he was willing to negotiate an extension with
If you want people to not be “obtuse” maybe don’t try to devalue a player by referencing another trade that is nothing comparable in situation or player.

James Harden was traded for 2 players, 3 first round picks and 4 first round pick swaps so Eichel should be worth.......

 

[bernmeister]

Gonna end up being like Nash, it'll throw everyone off the loop for what they deemed Eichel's true value to be. There's a lot more complications in a trade like this and in the real world players never get moved for what they should be worth.

Probably a maintained package of

+Strome
+Kakko
+Lundkvist
+Georgiev
+1st Rd. Pick

No team in this league is going to move a Zegras or a Byfield and the Rangers certainly aren't moving Laf or Fox (definitely not Fox, his value will be near Eichel's level come pretty soon). BUF doesn't have to move him but things are going to keep getting very bad and a rookie GM with no proper overseer leaves the probability for an Eichel trade to be even less than what I proposed, much higher.

we won't add Eich and his 10m

cost controlled Dahlin or bust
and it won't be bluest blue chip elcs regardless of continued requests for same.

suf value in 20 somethings Zib/Buch/Strome +

 

[AirGut]

we won't add Eich and his 10m

cost controlled Dahlin or bust
and it won't be bluest blue chip elcs regardless of continued requests for same.

suf value in 20 somethings Zib/Buch/Strome +

We have all the D we need going forward to be competitive, only thing it's lacking is a veteran LD who's won cups. Dahlin would be nice but I'd much rather have a top flight C and taking advantage of him being available. We can add his 10 easily with the players your moving within the deal and having our cap penalties eased on (Shattenkirk/Girardi/Lundqvist). And with DeAngelo's 4 being ousted we'll have more wiggle room to make things work. Only really have to somewhat worry about Zibanejad but I don't think he'll be getting upwards of 10 anymore.

 

[bernmeister]

We have all the D we need going forward to be competitive, only thing it's lacking is a veteran LD who's won cups. Dahlin would be nice but I'd much rather have a top flight C and taking advantage of him being available. We can add his 10 easily with the players your moving within the deal and having our cap penalties eased on (Shattenkirk/Girardi/Lundqvist). And with DeAngelo's 4 being ousted we'll have more wiggle room to make things work. Only really have to somewhat worry about Zibanejad but I don't think he'll be getting upwards of 10 anymore.

1. Eich is not really available. They will deal Dahlin to keep Eich if it comes to that, unless Eich himself wants out.

2. Dahlin is not to add a LD. It is to acquire a cost controlled premium asset. Which Eichel is not.

thinks 2 steps outside the box.
Get Dahlin, up his value. See Chytil emerge. Take stock of Kravtsov, Barron.

Then as Dahlin is mid of his rfa at max value, flip him for high end prospects and picks, incl possibly a C.

move Zib/Buch/Strome who do not fit long term, for futures.
Utilize our new found ability to draft well.

 

[Team Cozens]

How often is a dollar traded for a dollar?

How often is an elite 1C traded. I’ll wait.

 

[Calad]

How often is an elite 1C traded. I’ll wait.

Only when they dont want to play for their team anymore

 

[Kupo]

::Checks notes::

We're all aware that Eichel has 2 goals this season right?

Carry on.

Fun fact. Ryan Strome has as many points this year as Eichel this season

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

How often is an elite 1C traded. I’ll wait.

Your question kind of proves my point. These kind of players are rarely traded—so to think that another elite #1C is coming back in return is, at the very least, ambitious. So my point remains, how often is a dollar traded for a dollar?

If you want to respond with "then BUF won't trade him," that's fine. But if, and when, he is dealt it will not be for a similar player (if for no other reason than I don't see a similar player available).

 

[Team Cozens]

Only when they dont want to play for their team anymore

When that happens we will trade him out West for a fair deal. Adams is aware of the O’Rielly trade I’m sure.

 

[AirGut]

1. Eich is not really available. They will deal Dahlin to keep Eich if it comes to that, unless Eich himself wants out.

2. Dahlin is not to add a LD. It is to acquire a cost controlled premium asset. Which Eichel is not.

thinks 2 steps outside the box.
Get Dahlin, up his value. See Chytil emerge. Take stock of Kravtsov, Barron.

Then as Dahlin is mid of his rfa at max value, flip him for high end prospects and picks, incl possibly a C.

move Zib/Buch/Strome who do not fit long term, for futures.
Utilize our new found ability to draft well.

This sounds like another 5 years of not making a single run

 

[Team Cozens]

Your question kind of proves my point. These kind of players are rarely traded—so to think that another elite #1C is coming back in return is, at the very least, ambitious. So my point remains, how often is a dollar traded for a dollar?

If you want to respond with "then BUF won't trade him," that's fine. But if an when he is dealt will not be for a similar player (if for no other reason than I don't see a similar player available).

PLD just got Laine plus. Laine. It doesn’t matter what the Rangers offer, they will trade him out of the conference.

 

[Raspewtin]

Well there's no elite young centreman coming back to Buffalo, so there is really no allure for the Sabres TBH.

Franchise centres are extremely hard to find - which is why NYR is desperate for Eichel & why BUF doesn't consider this.

they are? news to me.

also, Chytil would be the third best young player in your org.

PLD just got Laine plus. Laine. It doesn’t matter what the Rangers offer, they will trade him out of the conference.

if you think Laine is a clear cut elite piece that proves your point, I think you are being disingenuous.

He's had trade rumors around him for like 3 years now. He is one of the most (if not, the most) one dimensional forwards in hockey with noted and documented evidence that he has attitude/commitment issues and none of that was a secret to the league.

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

PLD just got Laine plus. Laine. It doesn’t matter what the Rangers offer, they will trade him out of the conference.

Doesn't address my comment one bit. But if this is making you feel better, keep at it.

 

[Team Cozens]

they are? news to me.

also, Chytil would be the third best young player in your org.

Keep him. Enjoy!