Proposal: NYR-BUF

[The S5]

Without question? Get out of here. The guy has 4 f***ing points on the year. The OP is garbage for a franchise player. You are right on one thing though we just don't see these type of trades happen very often (star player moved for a pile of trash).

Remind me how Buffalo is doing?
You may not like the fact that your guy isn't going to get the return you want, but that's no reason to make foolish comments. Kakko will be a first line player. Anyone who watches him would come to the same conclusion.

 

[is the answer jesus]

Remind me how Buffalo is doing?
You may not like the fact that your guy isn't going to get the return you want, but that's no reason to make foolish comments. Kakko will be a first line player. Anyone who watches him would come to the same conclusion.

What is the point of posting this? Everyone knows Buffalo is dead f***ing last in the league. You think moving Eichel for a pile of garbage is going to change that? I don't watch every Rangers game, but I've caught a handful. Kakko looks better this season, defensively he's wise beyond his years, but at some point you've got to produce to be a 1st line player.

 

[Uberpecker]

Remind me how Buffalo is doing?
You may not like the fact that your guy isn't going to get the return you want, but that's no reason to make foolish comments. Kakko will be a first line player. Anyone who watches him would come to the same conclusion.

Are you sure you know the meaning of the word "fact"?

With regard to Eichel: If the Sabres were to trade him to NYC it starts with Buffalo picking any two pieces off the Rangers roster, then Rangers still adding.

 

[Profet]

What is the point of posting this? Everyone knows Buffalo is dead f***ing last in the league. You think moving Eichel for a pile of garbage is going to change that? I don't watch every Rangers game, but I've caught a handful. Kakko looks better this season, defensively he's wise beyond his years, but at some point you've got to produce to be a 1st line player.

::Checks notes::

We're all aware that Eichel has 2 goals this season right?

Carry on.

 

[The S5]

What is the point of posting this? Everyone knows Buffalo is dead f***ing last in the league. You think moving Eichel for a pile of garbage is going to change that? I don't watch every Rangers game, but I've caught a handful. Kakko looks better this season, defensively he's wise beyond his years, but at some point you've got to produce to be a 1st line player.

Let's focus on your "pile of garbage" comment.

 

[The S5]

Are you sure you know the meaning of the word "fact"?

With regard to Eichel: If the Sabres were to trade him to NYC it starts with Buffalo picking any two pieces off the Rangers roster, then Rangers still adding.

Whatever you say Glen Sather.
Let's just say, that ain't gonna happen.

 

[Uberpecker]

Whatever you say Glen Sather.
Let's just say, that ain't gonna happen.

I sure hope it won't.

 

[Reway10]

Whatever you say Glen Sather.
Let's just say, that ain't gonna happen.

sure, keep telling yourself that

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

Because Eichel is by far the best talent in the trade?? It’s not that hard to figure out. 4 quarters for a dollar.

How often is a dollar traded for a dollar?

 

[Blitz]

To New York:
Jack Eichel (6 years left @ 10 Million)

To Buffalo:
Filip Chytil (1 year left @ 894,166)
Kaapo Kakko (2 years left @ 925,000)
Ryan Strome (2 years left @ 4.5 Million)

New York’s Rationale:
Addresses the most glaring hole in their lineup at C with one the league’s premier talent with 6 years left on his contract. The Rangers look almost ready to contend and adding Eichel is a gigantic step forward.

Buffalo’s Rationale:
Puts Eichel out of his misery while recouping some valuable and young assets that will be apart of their core long term. If they can flip Hall with a plus for a decent young defensemen or a D prospect, their core will be pretty solid.

Does this at least get the conversation started between Buffalo and New York? Who adds or subtracts?

*I purposely did not include picks in the package going back to Buffalo because they don’t draft too well.

EDIT: Please provide feedback rather than just saying easy no from whichever side. I actually want to understand where I went wrong.

EDIT 2: Initially included Kravstov as wellbut removed because others said it was an overpayment.

Well there's no elite young centreman coming back to Buffalo, so there is really no allure for the Sabres TBH.

Franchise centres are extremely hard to find - which is why NYR is desperate for Eichel & why BUF doesn't consider this.

 

[TBF1972]

Insightful rebuttal.

i later realised that op was amended and kravtsov was in the initial offer. i still think nyr would be stupid to turn down such a deal. eichel is an absolutely awesome 1c. way better than zibanejad.
even with karvtsov in the deal, this isn't 4 quarters for one dollar offer. most of the pieces from the rangers are closer to a dime than a quarter in comparison with eichel. at least one of the pieces should have a chance to become as impactful as eichel is today. imo none of the pieces from the rangers offers this kind of upside. kakko has a chance to become a top line winger. strome is a middle 6er. chytil is also heading that way and kravtsov might turn into one. rangers could easily replace those middle 6er. a player like eichel is tough to come by.

 

[NjdevilfanJim]

Imo they traded ROR to the Blues and didn't come out on top and they can't make that mistake with Eichel.....Rangers did good in taking Alex L but maybe best pick for them would have been Byfield to solidify a major need....Tough situation if traded it will probably be a summer trade

 

[pld459666]

They'd be stupid to pass that up.

Want me to explain why?

Because having three guys making 30 million in a flat cap world is stupid

Toronto ain't winning shit with tnat formula.

f*** that.

Let the Sabres trade him to LA.

Not interested in adding Eichel for either Kakko or Chytil let alone both in the same deal.

Buffalo will get a package they are not happy with, but one a team will be reluctant to offer up because he is a very good player.

I just hope its not from the NYR's.

For me, I'm not really interested in moving any of the following

Lafreniere, Kakko, Chytil, Fox, Miller, Shesterkin

Not that he's not worth any of their inclusion, more that the additional moves its gonna take to fit him in long term is not worth the hope its gonna take that we are any better off.

 

[TBF1972]

You aren't paying attention. Kakko has made huge strides from last season. I don't know what he will ultimately be, but he is a first line player without question. Chytil has been the Rangers best young forward and oozes high end talent.
Jack is a great player, but I just don't see these type of trades happen very often.

career stats: 81 games - 12 goals - 15 assists - 27 points

despite his huge strides his production actually became worse. you might have to get accustomed to the opinion, that kakko in his freshman season was even worse than his stat line. as of today seeing kakko turn into a 1st line winger requires not only huge strides for several years. it requires him to grow his game exponentially for several seasons.

 

[Machinehead]

Lafreniere is not available.

I don't get what's hard about this.

 

[Flan the incredible]

Well there's no elite young centreman coming back to Buffalo, so there is really no allure for the Sabres TBH.

Franchise centres are extremely hard to find - which is why NYR is desperate for Eichel & why BUF doesn't consider this.

Rangers arent desperate for Eichel. Franchise centers also arent usually unhappy because the franchise they play for is a disaster. If he demands a trade that is also uncharted territory. Sabre fans are going to be in for a rude awakening with the return the get if and when he is traded.

 

[bl02]

Imo they traded ROR to the Blues and didn't come out on top and they can't make that mistake with Eichel.....Rangers did good in taking Alex L but maybe best pick for them would have been Byfield to solidify a major need....Tough situation if traded it will probably be a summer trade

Wow I’m shocked a devils fan thinking the Rangers should have taken Byfield over Lafreniere.
I’m more than happy waiting on Chytil to become a .75-1ppg beast of a center and getting to play with wingers like Lafreniere and Kakko for the next decade

 

[bernmeister]

Chytil , Kravtsov , Georgiev , Robertson , 1st

No.
they are not trading Jack

also, for Dahlin who we will accept b'c he is cost controlled, the signif assets will be Zib, Buch, Strome + = mid 20 guys not elc bluest blue chips.

 

[Flan the incredible]

Fun fact: Ryan Strome has just as many points on the season as Jack Eichel.

 

[drw02]

Can't see Buffalo trading Eichel to NYR unless they want to pay a kings ransom. Would be much easier for them to ship him out west and not have to continue seeing and hearing about him all the time

 

[bernmeister]

I want to keep Filip...Mika is expendable thou with NMC. Also 1C is not a time sensitive need. We can get a 1C after next off season Summer of 2022.

da bold

also, Mika I expect will waive for acceptable team b'c he surely recognizes we can't afford him for more than 3-4 yrs at 6.5ish max, and he will likely get more. If we get Dahlin back for a haul, he winds up playing w/Eichel, Hall, Buch --- not too shabby.

 

[is the answer jesus]

::Checks notes::

We're all aware that Eichel has 2 goals this season right?

Carry on.

You're aware he's been playing through an UBI all year, a LBI for a couple weeks now, and that he scored 36 goals in 68 games last year?
Carry on.

Let's focus on your "pile of garbage" comment.

Ok let's do that. Chytil- Nice young player, trending towards being a top 6 center. Kakko- Could be a top 6 player. That's based more on pedigree than actual on-ice results at this point though. Awful rookie year, this year looks more engaged, still can't score. Personally not a huge fan. Ryan Strome- 35 point player in Edmonton, came to New York and fell into a great situation playing next to a star in Panarin. Revived his career. Is he likely a better player than he showed in Edmonton? Sure. Is he a 60 point player when not attached to Panarin? Probably not. Also he's a UFA at the end of next season and will be looking for a raise. Not the type of player a rebuilding team would target.
So yeah for a franchise player that's a pile of garbage.

 

[Flan the incredible]

You're aware he's been playing through an UBI all year, a LBI for a couple weeks now, and that he scored 36 goals in 68 games last year?
Carry on.

Ok let's do that. Chytil- Nice young player, trending towards being a top 6 center. Kakko- Could be a top 6 player. That's based more on pedigree than actual on-ice results at this point though. Awful rookie year, this year looks more engaged, still can't score. Personally not a huge fan. Ryan Strome- 35 point player in Edmonton, came to New York and fell into a great situation playing next to a star in Panarin. Revived his career. Is he likely a better player than he showed in Edmonton? Sure. Is he a 60 point player when not attached to Panarin? Probably not. Also he's a UFA at the end of next season and will be looking for a raise. Not the type of player a rebuilding team would target.
So yeah for a franchise player that's a pile of garbage.

You literally can say "That's based more on pedigree than actual on-ice results at this point though." on every single prospect to try and diminish their value. By that logic prospects have no value lol. Cozens yea thats based on pedigree and not on ice results he doesn't have much value. Pile of garbage

 

[bernmeister]

You're aware he's been playing through an UBI all year, a LBI for a couple weeks now, and that he scored 36 goals in 68 games last year?
Carry on.

Ok let's do that. Chytil- Nice young player, trending towards being a top 6 center. Kakko- Could be a top 6 player. That's based more on pedigree than actual on-ice results at this point though. Awful rookie year, this year looks more engaged, still can't score. Personally not a huge fan. Ryan Strome- 35 point player in Edmonton, came to New York and fell into a great situation playing next to a star in Panarin. Revived his career. Is he likely a better player than he showed in Edmonton? Sure. Is he a 60 point player when not attached to Panarin? Probably not. Also he's a UFA at the end of next season and will be looking for a raise. Not the type of player a rebuilding team would target.
So yeah for a franchise player that's a pile of garbage.

value aside as to what Eich or a franchise player would cost, your undervaluation of Kakko + Chytil is disingenuous if not self serving here.

Your assessment of Strome I concede has been conventional wisdom, but now, w/breadman away, he is stepping up and able to work well w/Kreider and others. Yes, never was, never will be single handed dif maker, but is clearly a facilitator who can chip in potting a few, and his contribution is influenced by level of talent of players on his line.

 

[SundherDome]

Ya'd end up selling nothing at a garage sale with that attitude. An extended Mark Stone returned Brannstrom and a 2nd. By the same logic, Stone is the best player in that trade and they trade a dollar for a quarter and a dime!

Yeah, Ottawa f***ed up