Proposal: Nyr-bos

[Trxjw]

So how about:

To Boston:

LW Rick Nash (1.8 Retained)

To New York:

RW Jimmy Hayes
RHD Colin Miller
2017 Edmonton Oilers 2nd Round (compensation for Chiarelli's rights).

I actually think that's a decent deal as a Rangers fan. If Hayes doesn't fit, there's always a market for a winger with size who can chip in 15 goals.

 

[DitClapper]

I needed a good laugh for today. Thanks.

 

[bernmeister]

So how about:

To Boston:

LW Rick Nash (1.8 Retained)

To New York:

RW Jimmy Hayes
RHD Colin Miller
2017 Edmonton Oilers 2nd Round (compensation for Chiarelli's rights).

looks good. ballpark value seems right.

Are you implying the Bruins should trade Chara to NYR with a sizable added asset in exchange for Nash?!

Bern has a strange fantasy of adding Chara to the Rangers and playing him out of position as a winger. Because reasons.

Don't worry, Rangers fans are equally as baffled by it.

Chara at 39 is way less value than Nash, and both 2 yr deals, but 1st year Chara is still high $ (cap).
So yeah, I want some consideration
that would mean either a serious add (rangers pony up a nice piece and Bs surrender McAvoy)
OR
Rangers add and you take Girardi off our hands.

Rangers23 is disingenuous.
I do not have a compulsion to see Chara on NY, I simply have an open mind if Boston would make it worth our while.
As to W, yes, if he were to come here, he would not be playing top LD because of reduced skating speed, understandable w/age. Would have him as 4LW, specialty PP shot, clear the crease guy.

 

[PatriceBergeronFan]

looks good. ballpark value seems right.


Chara on a 4th line? Even more baffling.



Chara at 39 is way less value than Nash, and both 2 yr deals, but 1st year Chara is still high $ (cap).
So yeah, I want some consideration
that would mean either a serious add (rangers pony up a nice piece and Bs surrender McAvoy)
OR
Rangers add and you take Girardi off our hands.

Rangers23 is disingenuous.
I do not have a compulsion to see Chara on NY, I simply have an open mind if Boston would make it worth our while.
As to W, yes, if he were to come here, he would not be playing top LD because of reduced skating speed, understandable w/age. Would have him as 4LW, specialty PP shot, clear the crease guy.

#2 defenseman, elite defensively vs a now 30 point $7.8 million winger?

 

[jw2]

boston seems to be the default team to send your scraps to, because we don't want to win, obviously. Been a long time since I've seen a trade where the Bs benefit.

 

[Coach Parker]

Yes Nash plays well on either side

One Ranger fan here who likes that package for sure, well done on value and team need IMO

Thanks!

Yeah, having him able to play on either side of Krejci really opens up the options for that line. Pastrnak or Beleskey or maybe even Heinen.

 

[bernmeister]

#2 defenseman, elite defensively vs a now 30 point $7.8 million winger?

Historically, sure. But he's 39, 2 more years. Can't skate. STILL flatten most guys not named Kreider? Definitely. But usually can skate around. Limited role as I discussed, ok w/less responsibility on natural wing with 4 faster skaters to help cover. PP. crease work. that's it.

Nash all day over Chara. Before was den but dis is NOW.
I'll do the swap and the extra immediately negative cap hit, but ya gotta make it worth my while.

 

[Brewins]

Historically, sure. But he's 39, 2 more years. Can't skate. STILL flatten most guys not named Kreider? Definitely. But usually can skate around. Limited role as I discussed, ok w/less responsibility on natural wing with 4 faster skaters to help cover. PP. crease work. that's it.

Nash all day over Chara. Before was den but dis is NOW.
I'll do the swap and the extra immediately negative cap hit, but ya gotta make it worth my while.

Chara is almost immediately your 2nd best dman, he is slower but incredibly effective, moreso than giradi/stall. his days of#1 are over, most b's fanw ant his pp time limited to focuso n his defending and pk, give him a mobile d-partner and he 's not a 4th line wing. He'd be terrible chasing the play as a winger, on D he can stand at the point and retain his energy.

 

[bernmeister]

Chara is almost immediately your 2nd best dman, he is slower but incredibly effective, moreso than giradi/stall. his days of#1 are over, most b's fanw ant his pp time limited to focuso n his defending and pk, give him a mobile d-partner and he 's not a 4th line wing. He'd be terrible chasing the play as a winger, on D he can stand at the point and retain his energy.

that is a fair counterpoint.
My retort is, ok, but as a D. wouldn't he have to cover more ground? On offense he would only be expected to pinch at most, but on D he has to move, often quickly behind the crease? And he has to skate often backwards which can't possibly be done as quickly as moving forwards.
As a W he also has potentially substantial ground to cover, but to the extent [as LW] your counterpart [RW] is staying to his assigned side of the ice, minimizing east and west, it would seem that at least part of the time, there is less obligation to cover more space.

 

[nmbr_24]

that is a fair counterpoint.
My retort is, ok, but as a D. wouldn't he have to cover more ground? On offense he would only be expected to pinch at most, but on D he has to move, often quickly behind the crease? And he has to skate often backwards which can't possibly be done as quickly as moving forwards.
As a W he also has potentially substantial ground to cover, but to the extent [as LW] your counterpart [RW] is staying to his assigned side of the ice, minimizing east and west, it would seem that at least part of the time, there is less obligation to cover more space.

The thing about Chara is that when he is playing in his zone there are not many players better than him. He will cover the area around the net in practically one step. Chara covers a lot of space in just a couple of steps. His problem is only when he has to get into a race that covers half of the rink, and even then he is so good with positioning that it just doesn't happen often unless or until he is covering up for his partner which he had to do way too often last year. Put Chara with a real top pairing D instead of a bottom pairing guy and there will be a big difference obviously.

Using him as a winger where he has to continually skate hard at the net as wingers do as soon as their team gets possession sounds like a terrible idea to me, it could work on the power play but that really seems like a waste of talent and his great defensive skill to me. He's way more valuable on the PK.

 

[bernmeister]

The thing about Chara is that when he is playing in his zone there are not many players better than him. He will cover the area around the net in practically one step. Chara covers a lot of space in just a couple of steps. His problem is only when he has to get into a race that covers half of the rink, and even then he is so good with positioning that it just doesn't happen often unless or until he is covering up for his partner which he had to do way too often last year. Put Chara with a real top pairing D instead of a bottom pairing guy and there will be a big difference obviously.

Using him as a winger where he has to continually skate hard at the net as wingers do as soon as their team gets possession sounds like a terrible idea to me, it could work on the power play but that really seems like a waste of talent and his great defensive skill to me. He's way more valuable on the PK.

thanks for the insight.
I'll look for that when viewing.

bottom line here is it is moot, unless Bs want to move his contract badly enough by bribing Rangers with sizeable consideration to swap for Nash, unless that is the case, there is no deal

 

[Shootertooter]

#2 defenseman, elite defensively vs a now 30 point $7.8 million winger?

Are we really judging Nash's potential based on what his 36 pts 60 in total games last season was with an injury?

I'd say if he was 39, he is what he is and that is declining, but at 32.........I think it is pretty safe to say a 30pt scorer is seriously under valuing him.

I would think Chara's decline at 39 would be much more prominent that Nash'.

 

[PatriceBergeronFan]

thanks for the insight.
I'll look for that when viewing.

bottom line here is it is moot, unless Bs want to move his contract badly enough by bribing Rangers with sizeable consideration to swap for Nash, unless that is the case, there is no deal

You aren't the GM so you quite literally have no idea how a potential Chara trade would even look.

 

[Brewins]

Chara put up 37 pts tied for 30th in the league. avergaing 24 min a night. People look at his 2014-2015 season and scream about his decline. Hei sn't the best in the league anymore but a decent #1an d a fantastic #2. 4th in sh TOI. Still a monster who can put up 40pts and play premier pk minutes. He should have his minutes cut to 20-22 to keep him fit for the playoffs. he can get burned by speed but less often than you think and makes up for it many times over.

 

[bernmeister]

You aren't the GM so you quite literally have no idea how a potential Chara trade would even look.

"look" referenced "insight" which was the astute commentary by nmbr_24 on Chara skating.

No need to get pissy here

 

[go4hockey]

You aren't the GM so you quite literally have no idea how a potential Chara trade would even look.

This goes for every trade talked about on the site. I guess your saying just close the site??

 

[BruinLVGA]

Chara put up 37 pts tied for 30th in the league. avergaing 24 min a night. People look at his 2014-2015 season and scream about his decline. Hei sn't the best in the league anymore but a decent #1an d a fantastic #2. 4th in sh TOI. Still a monster who can put up 40pts and play premier pk minutes. He should have his minutes cut to 20-22 to keep him fit for the playoffs. he can get burned by speed but less often than you think and makes up for it many times over.

Exactly. It makes all those - seen plenty in many threads - who say "we'll give you a 4th for Chara" look mighty uninformed.

 

[Shootertooter]

Chara put up 37 pts tied for 30th in the league. avergaing 24 min a night. People look at his 2014-2015 season and scream about his decline. Hei sn't the best in the league anymore but a decent #1an d a fantastic #2. 4th in sh TOI. Still a monster who can put up 40pts and play premier pk minutes. He should have his minutes cut to 20-22 to keep him fit for the playoffs. he can get burned by speed but less often than you think and makes up for it many times over.

Fair enough, but basing Nash's performance on a season where he missed significant time due to injury and then writing him off to being in decline isn't really accurate or fair, and considering he scored 42 goals the previous season after coming back from a concussion, I'd have to at least lean toward him having a bounce back season.

 

[PatriceBergeronFan]

This goes for every trade talked about on the site. I guess your saying just close the site??

Seeing as only a minor part of the site is dedicated to fantasy fan trade proposals, not at all.

Not to mention that isn't the point at all -- fans can have opinions but if the opinion is that pointlessly one sided and biased, it's unrealistic to even discuss.

Adding dramatically to Chara to land Nash has to be an attempt to incite fans rather than be genuine.

 

[hawksrule]

You aren't the GM so you quite literally have no idea how a potential Chara trade would even look.

That's a dumb fallacy on so many levels.