Confirmed with Link: NYR Acquire Jacob Trouba for Pionk and 20th Overall pick

[Hunter Gathers]

Why would Trouba take 5?

Because he's nice <3

 

[Dr. Ogrodnick]

Ut oh, Overhardt not gonna like that quote!

In all probability, dealing with a team your client wants to play for is a much different stance than dealing with the team your client is trying to get away from.

 

[Miamipuck]

We recorded 4.5 hours and I don't kwow what was cut or made it onto the final version but I think the Pionk thing is.

It's there for sure I listened on a two hour drive.

You're show was fantastic as good as this freaking trade! This trade was a heist plain and simple.

 

[will1066]

Doesn't make sense.

I said it in jest, really. Because that's been the organization's, uh, Sather's M.O. for so long.

 

[BLOCKERSAVE]

Not like that anymore, about a billion dollars in funds to upgrade that whole area since Sandy.

But yes, many years before that the whole area was neglected like most of the City's infrastructure outside of Manhattan.

My son is a PA and worked there for 2 summers, he mention many times its a complete zoo, no management, no communication among peers, patients comes in doves. No enough staff personal for patients. Sorry for the negative view, I hope 1 day it get better.

 

[Machinehead]

Gorton allowed us to wet our beaks with a headline-grabbing splash without significantly getting older and without losing any of our top prospects.

It's the Rangers without the Rongos.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

I still can’t believe this trade.

I was thinking not too long ago about how Trouba is probably the closest thing to a Parayko that’s out there, and how thrilled I’d be to add him to this team for the next ~7 years.

What an unbelievable addition for this team’s future. We just added a linchpin on defense for an underwhelming UDFA and a decent first.

I should also say, though, that I wouldn’t be expecting 50 points out of Trouba. I think he may struggle to get significant PP time with Fox and ADA hanging around, and I definitely see us running four forwards on the first PP unit. I would think Fox at the top with Zibanejad occupying the other “point”.

I would be stoked with 30-40 points and standout defensive play. And I think that’s fair to expect.

 

[Edge]

Staal was 3 years older when he signed and his 6-year contract takes him to 34. A 7 year deal would take Trouba to 32.

As for the player specifically, there's always a risk that Trouba will have injuries that diminish him as a player like Staal did. But that risk literally exists for every player.

Staal got hit with a double whammy as well. A puck to the eye and the severe concussion is a hell of combo to get up from without a noticeable impact.

 

[BLOCKERSAVE]

Can someone descript JT play ? Defense first? Moving D, PP specialize? Thanks

 

[scott99]

Isle's fan coming in peace. This is a SPECTACULAR trade for the Rangers, one of their biggest steals since getting McDonagh in a package for Gomez. Trouba is a BEAST, love the way he plays the game. Just an incredible move for you guys. With you guys getting Kakko (probably), bringing over Kravstov & Shestorkin, getting Fox as a college FA, and rumors are the Rangers are the favorites to land Panarin, the Ranger's rebuild is in hyperspeed.

I've been watching Trouba for years, he was a beast at the World Juniors back in 2013. I believe (Him and Seth Jones) when they won the gold. I watched him in college (Michigan) and he was dominant. I even saw his 1st NHL game, and I believe he had a goal and two assists. He's been one of my favorite prospects/players for years. Automatically becomes your best dman. Just an absolute steal.

Congrats ! Extremely jealous. BTW, Kakko is the real deal, so incredibly talented, just has it all, power game, great hands. AND you guys have several 2nd round picks, you can move up in the draft. Great way to start the offseason for you guys.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

Can someone descript JT play ? Defense first? Moving D, PP specialize? Thanks

I would say he’s defense first, but his offensive ability is above average overall. Not in terms of passing/puck handling skills, but accurately reading the play, jumping in on the rush, and shot quality are all good to great.

Definitely not an easy guy to play against physically. He isn’t Gudas level nasty but he’ll make his presence know along the boards and in front of the net.

 

[Edge]

Judging by Gortons comments after the trade, it seems they have everything and more figured out with Trouba, additional moves and the rest of the D situation going into the season.

The confidence and assertiveness that Gorton and the rest of the front office has displayed lately is pretty damn incredible to me. They are putting in WORK and are getting **** DONE.

Win or lose you gotta be happy as a fan. Mainly because they have a PLAN and are executing it flawlessly right now. The years of Slats I felt there was very little foresight and planning and that became a big problem for the club at times.

Luckily they were able to get out of it with the amnesty buy-outs and AHL loopholes, but if not for that it could've been a disaster we may not have been able to climb out of for a lot longer.

One can debate whether or not the Rangers plan will result in the ultimate goal - a championship or multiple champion ships. But that is the plan and one that they are very much committed to.

There is a blueprint for what the Rangers hope to build, and every move or conversation is part of that plan.

Right now, this front office has a good understanding of the market - prices, terms, player status, etc.

While the jury is still out on how successful their moves will be, I believe they've received fair value or better going back to the Zibanejad trade.

 

[LiveLongandProspal]

Can someone descript JT play ? Defense first? Moving D, PP specialize? Thanks

Extremely well-rounded with a bomb of a shot, a big body and surprising mobility for someone his size. His two weaknesses are durability and the occasional mental lapse.

 

[bobbop]

DeAngelo is a stud. Much better player than Fox. I’m not sure why this kid other than attitude continues to be overlooked but give me 22 to 24 mins each of trouba and DeAngelo per game. I’ll Be thrilled.

In what parallel universe?

 

[DRW204]

Can someone descript JT play ? Defense first? Moving D, PP specialize? Thanks

All around good Dman. Solid defensively, but is prone to gaffes, but i don't expect Dmen to bat 1000 defensively, his gaffes are few and far between. Good offensively, notably at 5v5, i think his offensive is much better suited at 5v5 than on the PP. he's better contributing offense on the rush vs having to QB a PP - although he was productive on the Jets PP when Buff was out but it didnt look pretty to say the least. I think he could play with more physicality but might be more susceptible to injuries if he does so i can see why he doesn't. He's a solid top-pair option.

 

[Greg02]

Doesn't make sense.

Nah, Gorton needs to be playing 4D chess here. One year bridge deal, trade him at the deadline for a first, sign him as a free agent

 

[Tawnos]

Staal got hit with a double whammy as well. A puck to the eye and the severe concussion is a hell of combo to get up from without a noticeable impact.

All part of the fun of being a member of the cursed NYR organization.

 

[bobbop]

Ask yourself this question... why are the rangers seeking to sign a $ 8m defenseman right now?

Because he's good, 25 years old and probably will get better.

 

[bernmeister]

I totally get it from Winnipeg’s perspective. They couldn’t take back $$$, and they couldn’t keep their player. He would have never signed with them and it would have been nylander with no resolution. They HAD to move him before the draft and I’d guess this is probably as good as they’d get.

Rangers took advantage. The big question isn’t really value of the trade but whether you want a 10% of the cap locked up in Trouba vs another position. I bet a lot of teams were asking that when considering what to give up.

possibly the best summary, teams had to view Trouba as 1 yr if he didn't return is the bottom line

I really dont think gorton is done dealing. I think he wants to get back into the 1st round. Names, vesey, and krieder I believe will all be dealt one way or another.

2/3rd for vesey
Names whatever we can get
Krieder and something for a top 15 pick.

Free up another 13m in cap space. Have 23m available.

Sign trouba 7 years 7.5aav
Then sign a guy like Simmonds or Ennis that we can trade for next season for more draft capital .

Keep the rebuild moving

No on Simmonds/Ennis
No on moving Kreider for less than worthwhile profit.
Vesey is cheap enuf for this yr
Namest is the real prob, almost no want wants him even at half

I liked @RangerBoy suggestion of Shatty at 50% retained for Saad, whether he was serious or not.

Move out Buch, Vesey, Nams. Try to get into the mid 1st round with any of those three or a combination of them. Package would be centered around Buchnevich

If nothing else pops up, I think Oil take our 2 2019 2nds + Howden + Buch for 8OA and 2020 2nd or similar

Start talking about cap relief to Vegas to take Smith, they might bite given his brother is star F.

don't insult bern...atleast bern's crazy posts are entertaining

thanks.
grateful most of the mods apparently agree

 

[HockeyBasedNYC]

Another great thing about this deal is the timing of it. Its not on the draft floor so it give the Rangers some time to digest, get in contact (if they havent already) with Trouba's camp and begin negotiating (or possibly even sign him).
They can focus on other deals and opportunities at the draft

 

[Ex Officer Friendly]

My son is a PA and worked there for 2 summers, he mention many times its a complete zoo, no management, no communication among peers, patients comes in doves. No enough staff personal for patients. Sorry for the negative view, I hope 1 day it get better.

Stop someone doesn’t like the truth about a declining NYC.

 

[Blue Blooded]

Depending on how good Trouba actually is on the PP point (he had a difficult PP role in WPG before this last season) I'd say Fox is our 3rd or 4th best PPQB option right now behind DeAngelo, Shattenkirk and maybe Trouba. Penciling him in on the top PP unit is way too premature.

 

[True Blue]

Clearly much too much to catch up on, so I will just skip to the end and outline my thoughts.

1. While all know of what my feelings regarding Trouba were (trading major assets AND signing for major dollars), I got to say that I feel like I did not read things properly. Surely there is another detail that I missed.
2. Again no matter what my feelings were, if in the beginning of last year you were to poll this board (myself included) regarding trading Kevin Hayes for Jacob Trouba, I am having a hard time of someone being the dissident. And now essentially the trade is Hayes & Pionk for Trouba AND Brendan Lemieux?
3. To be fair, I still have my concerns (having him be a #1 whereas he has not been before, the injury history, less of a supporting cast), this probably comes the closest to the Godfather offer that we have mentioned before. An offer that most (again I have not read all the pages to know where everyone stands) of us could say no to. Which is why I fear I am not reading things properly. Gorton held a gun and assured him that either Trouba's name or his brains would be on the paper.
4. The eye of Sauron is now fixed squarely on Kreider. Will Gorton sign him or move him? The sole way, at least that I can see, that Gorton can acquire another pick is by trading him. Guess we will know soon enough. I put it at 50/50. Still believe that if Gorton does not get a deal he likes, then he will have a frank conversation with team Kreider. If the dollars fit to what is in his head, Kreider gets extended. If if they do not, then he goes at some point and gets a 2020 1st. Given to how the Rangers are building, Kreider may just take what it takes to stay and help lead the team on the other side of the rebuild.
5. When not looking at Kreider, the Eye is fixed on Shattenkirk. I mean this HAS to be the writing on the wall, no? Unless Fox bombs in camp, there is simply no way that Shattenkirk should play ahead of him or DeAngelo, right? Unless they deal ADA, but truthfully I cannot see that. Gorton wanted him. Quinn invested so much time in him. He played great down the stretch.

The pundits said he could not be moved even at 50% retention. I cannot see another buy out to take on punitive dead cap space for 4 years. Especially when coupled with Girardi. Cannot see a Hartford burial either. Like I said though, unless Fox bombs in camp, one would assume that the right side would be Trouba, DeAngelo & Fox, while the left side would be Hajek, Staal & whichever wins of Lindgren or Rykov. And then sit Staal for some games and both of them play.
6. For those who want to get on Gorton, you are entitled to your opinions however by and large, he has been everything we would want the GM to be. Aggressive with what he wants, patient with what he needs and completely tone deaft to what papers or fans want and a clear vision of how he envisions the future. Could be he is the builder for whom we been waiting for ever since Neal Smith sold his soul for 1994?

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

Another great thing about this deal is the timing of it. Its not on the draft floor so it give the Rangers some time to digest, get in contact (if they havent already) with Trouba's camp and begin negotiating (or possibly even sign him).
They can focus on other deals and opportunities at the draft

It also gives them time to explore a way to get a second 1st.

 

[bobbop]

That makes a lot of sense logically.

Dreger's comment would probably have been better said that there were just a handful specific teams where he would sign an extension. The Jets could have sent him anywhere as a rental and he couldn't have stopped them. Nice to be on that short list. even nicer to have him here.