Confirmed with Link: NYR acquire Adam McQuaid from Bruins for Kampfer, and 4th round pick

[I Eat Crow]

I really don’t get the Bruins angle here.

Cap space.

Carlo and McAvoy will need raises after this year. They have younger and better options coming up this year.

 

[Oates2Neely]

Pretty much. He's 31. He's not terribly old or anything, and he plays a role.

Shatty, Pionk, ADA is not a strong right side. McQuaid is going to force some honesty out of the opposition, and if he clears the crease, that's a big plus. Responsible in the d-zone. Just little to no offense.

If he's a more vocal type of leader, even better.

He’s not a vocal type leader. He strikes fear in his opponents with his downright intense facial expressions. He has a smirk about him, “crazy eyes”. Ranger fans will love this guy by Thanksgiving. Steady in his own zone, chip the puck out, physical, stands up for teammates, kills penalties.

 

[BigBadBruins7708]

Cap space.

Carlo and McAvoy will need raises after this year. They have younger and better options coming up this year.

McQuaid is a pending UFA, and the kids are why you keep him around. He and Chara are the 2 that have gone through all the playoff wars and are perfect mentors to the young defenders

 

[Gordoff]

People are forgetting the "value" of having an experienced NHL player on the roster. Staal and Shattenkirk are the only two guys, and Shattenkirk is not some sort of tough guy either.

There's more to it than just the 4th rounder. The Rangers paid a 7th Dman and a 4th rounder for a 6th Dman to play for 50-60 games. There is a value to those games played for the team.

If the Rangers get a 5th back, it won't be a waste--it'll simply be the cost it took to upgrade Kampfer to McQuaid for 60 games. going back 20-40 pick positions that deep into the draft is not even worth quibbling over.

If the Rangers get a 4th back, it's completely even value + the 50-60 games that McQuaid will play

If the Rangers get a 3rd back, it's a 20-40 pick positions forward + the 50-60 games McQuaid will play

Nothing to see here.

Look at what the Rangers got for Nick Holden and McDonaugh. You can bet they will get at least a 2nd or 3rd and a prospect at the TD for McQuaid. He is a proven playoff warrior. I've watched him his whole career and I can tell you that he is a man amongst boys. Gorten knows what he's doing, he's familiar with him and you're going to like him.

 

[Tawnos]

The Bruins will bury Kampfer in Providence. He isn't a number 10 dman compared to what they have in Boston and Providence. He was salary relief for the Rangers. McQuaid is a warrior and you are damned lucky to get him. The hate for this trade on the Bruins board is for real. A few games of McQuaid and you will appreciate what he brings. NOBODY will mess with Lundquist, or a Ranger when McQ is on the ice, bank it!

Aside from Goloubef, Kampfer the Bruins don't have a single player in Providence who isn't on an ELC... meaning that Kampfer is likely to be the 7D in Boston so their kids don't sit in the pressbox, a role that McQuaid might have been in for almost $3m.

 

[Good Intentions]

I'm not up in arms about it, I just don't see the point. If we're able to flip McQuaid at the deadline for something more valuable than a 4th, then fine.

(Replying to this concept, but not singling you out in the least).

The armchair GM 'asset management' obsession exceeds compulsion.

McQuaid's value as a hard-working vet to lead/mentor may far exceed the future draft pick(s). The impact may or may not translate in a box score. Conversely, the draft pick that you may be obsessing over is an unlikely hit. In fact, the organization is more likely to take their player in Round 4 instead of 6, because that's just simply 'our guy' -

Bottom line, obtaining a 9-year vet that has put in 462 regular season games (and numerous postseason runs for Boston) is a significant add to the culture. Take it.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

I think a lot is going to be decided in camp though I also would not be surprised if Pionk is sent down at the start of the season because he's waiver exempt, even if he does well, since it gives them some flexibility. I think they'll give ADA a good chance unless he's bad in preseason and camp. They'll not just toss him away for nothing just 1 year after acquiring him in a relatively big deal.

I could also see McQuaid start as the 7th defenseman but I suspect the idea is that he'll be in and out of the lineup a fair amount

If we send down Pionk, we are punting winning. He’s no worse than our third best defenseman.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

If we send down Pionk, we are punting winning. He’s no worse than our third best defenseman.

Good.

Or it can be a roster crunch situation.

 

[Ola]

Staal turns 32 in January
Shattenkirk turns 30 in January
Smith turns 30 in March
McQuaid turns 32 in October

We are rebuilding, but the entire blueline is staffed with vets that must play so that we can flip them.

Skjei-Shatty
Smith-McQuaid
Staal-Pionk/TDA

"Upside" is that, I recon, these dinosaurs won't be healthy all the time...

 

[BobMarleyNYR]

I remember his draft, can't believe he's around my age. I like how Gorton is making a new-age Westies... DEPARTED from Southie... how much will it take for the Dropkick Murphy's to ship down to NYC... hey, Boston, we've got your le-eg, na-na-na-na-na!

 

[Kovalev27]

Skjei Shattenkirk
Staal Pionk
Smith McQuaid
Claesson ADA

No idea the pairings but I expect us to keep 8 Dmen to start and see what we have with them. Let it shake out.

To me the real battle is hajek vs Smith. Smith could very well end up in the A again if he doesn’t prove himself.

But I see no harm in hajek playing in the A till the deadline.

The two guys I see no spot for anywhere here or in Hartford that make any sense are Gilmour and OGara. Those guys shouldn’t be here should have been moved

 

[Gordoff]

Gorts has stated that he wants us to be a tough team to play against. The leadership core was too easy going. Bringing in a guy like this changes the dynamic a bit... Tough on the ice, great in the lockeroom (apparently).

I don't see the issue.

As others have stated, if the kids can't beat this guy out, they don't deserve to be in NY and should be in CT

YES, and believe me McQ's on ice leadership and locker room presence will be big for your team. I hate that the Bruins kept him in the East. The B's have a ton of leadership and when they lost McQ and then when Chara retires they will be strapped for it on D. Guys like McQuaid make everyone on your bench a foot taller and 25 pounds heavier.

 

[Lion Hound]

I remember his draft, can't believe he's around my age. I like how Gorton is making a new-age Westies... DEPARTED from Southie... how much will it take for the Dropkick Murphy's to ship down to NYC... hey, Boston, we've got your le-eg, na-na-na-na-na!

I once sang that song on St Pattys day with my arm around a one-legged man.

 

[eco's bones]

The Rangers got pushed around a lot last year. This year if we're playing more kids we can't afford that.

 

[Gordoff]

Skjei Shattenkirk
Staal Pionk
Smith McQuaid
Claesson ADA

No idea the pairings but I expect us to keep 8 Dmen to start and see what we have with them. Let it shake out.

To me the real battle is hajek vs Smith. Smith could very well end up in the A again if he doesn’t prove himself.

But I see no harm in hajek playing in the A till the deadline.

The two guys I see no spot for anywhere here or in Hartford that make any sense are Gilmour and OGara. Those guys shouldn’t be here should have been moved

Watching O'Gara's progression thru the years at Yale and then Providence/Boston I think that IF he commits himself to the NHL and improving he'll be a sought after commodity but it's going to take a few years in the minors. Is a Yale grad going to want to ride the bus in the AHL for a few years? Time will tell!

 

[Gordoff]

Aside from Goloubef, Kampfer the Bruins don't have a single player in Providence who isn't on an ELC... meaning that Kampfer is likely to be the 7D in Boston so their kids don't sit in the pressbox, a role that McQuaid might have been in for almost $3m.

Nope wrong. They have a bunch of much better options for 7th D.
EDIT: Wrong about Kampfer IMO he'll be in Providence if/when he passes waivers. The Bruins have a bunch of kids knocking at the door. Also, I feel the reason that the Bruins are taking Kampfer back is so that the Rangers aren't absorbing the full $2.75 million of McQuaids contract.

 

[Off Sides]

The idea the Rangers are playing more kids has to coincide with them waiving several non kid players.

I just don't see them doing so.

 

[Kovalev27]

Watching O'Gara's progression thru the years at Yale and then Providence/Boston I think that IF he commits himself to the NHL and improving he'll be a sought after commodity but it's going to take a few years in the minors. Is a Yale grad going to want to ride the bus in the AHL for a few years? Time will tell!

In a few years he’ll be 30. He’s kind of what he is at this point

 

[nyr2k2]

Watching O'Gara's progression thru the years at Yale and then Providence/Boston I think that IF he commits himself to the NHL and improving he'll be a sought after commodity but it's going to take a few years in the minors. Is a Yale grad going to want to ride the bus in the AHL for a few years? Time will tell!

O'Gara is 25. How many years in the minors should he spend?

 

[Mac n Gs]

I value McQuaid over Holden (who returned a 3rd and O'Gara). If you've a team going to the playoffs and you're looking for depth and a big body who will play physical he's your guy. I suspect there will be teams that will be looking for that at the deadline. Hockey is a skill game but there is still an element of combat to it and having guys who can bring that element sometimes helps your skill guys to play better. At least they'll have someone watching their back and no it doesn't stop Wilson from running people but McQuaid can absolutely hurt Wilson in a fight if he catches him right.

Which brings me to another thing---I don't like the idea of players like Wilson trying to abuse and intimidate 19 and 20 year olds like Chytil and Andersson and McLeod doesn't give me that warm and fuzzy feeling that he'll do much to stop it--not off of last year anyway.

Really? I’d say Holden is better given that he’s shown he can be a reliable 2nd pairing guy that can play both sides. I guess the perceived value of McQuaid comes with the toughness factor, which we’ve seen teams overpay for at the deadline multiple times. If we get more than a 4th for him, I’ll be ecstatic. However, I don’t see it as likely for the time being.

I do like the toughness aspect of it. I f***ing hate Cody McLeod. McQuaid has stuffed that f***ing goon Wilson before too:

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

Good.

Or it can be a roster crunch situation.

I’m not against punting winning, but Pionk is one of our best young players. I think putting him in the AHL would be a bad idea. If ADA and Gilmour are worse, you figure that out later. Don’t hurt the development of a better hockey player, if that’s the determination.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I’m not against punting winning, but Pionk is one of our best young players. I think putting him in the AHL would be a bad idea. If ADA and Gilmour are worse, you figure that out later. Don’t hurt the development of a better hockey player, if that’s the determination.

I don't see how he'd be hurt getting top pair minutes at the AHL level.

It may be better than the alternative which may be what we saw last season, 2nd pair minutes being paired with Staal.

 

[FJB]

The Bruins will bury Kampfer in Providence. He isn't a number 10 dman compared to what they have in Boston and Providence. He was salary relief for the Rangers. McQuaid is a warrior and you are damned lucky to get him. The hate for this trade on the Bruins board is for real. A few games of McQuaid and you will appreciate what he brings. NOBODY will mess with Lundquist, or a Ranger when McQ is on the ice, bank it!

I hope so because adding toffness from worthless players like Glass and McLeod did NOTHING to prevent other teams from messing with Hank or anyone else.

 

[Tawnos]

Nope wrong. They have a bunch of much better options for 7th D.
EDIT: Wrong about Kampfer IMO he'll be in Providence if/when he passes waivers. The Bruins have a bunch of kids knocking at the door. Also, I feel the reason that the Bruins are taking Kampfer back is so that the Rangers aren't absorbing the full $2.75 million of McQuaids contract.

The Rangers don't care about the contract. They're nowhere near the Cap and the money doesn't matter to them. It is possible that one of the kids knocking at the door pushes Moore, Miller or Grzelcyk down to the 7D, sure. But if they don't, then Kampfer is a better option for that 7D position than any of those kids. So yeah, there's a scenario where Kampfer goes to Providence, but I would say it's highly likely that Sweeney wanted another body.

 

[Avery16]

I think Pionk wins a spot before ADA or Smith.

Skjei/Shattenkirk
Staal/Pionk
????/McQuaid

???? = Gilmour/Claesson/Hajek/OGara