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I only see one-sided responses re. Traverse City tournament impact all saying the same thing (no impact whatsoever) and have to let you know that there are multiple pages of these.

Whoever’s done it is a Master of derailment. Bra-vo!
 
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I get the feeling this deal was done long ago but either Boston wanted to wait until just before their season in case a defenseman was injured prior to training camp or the Rangers wanted to wait to make sure McQuaid was healthy going into camp.

Gorton has been calling for more bite to the team and the only addition he made was McLeod. He restrained himself in UFA and from going after other guys so to me, this was on the table for a while
 
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Nothing against McQuaid, but only Rangers rebuild with 4 out of 6 Dmen being age 29 or more. That is pure Rangers, never win a Cup and never get top draft picks.

It is truly funny when everybody is saying Traverse City tournament is nothing, not important, then next moment Rangers GM overreacts to it and decides his Defense prospects suck and makes a trade for a veteran Dman. At least we sent Kampfer the other way.

Maybe he should consider hiring a legit AHL coaching staff to help our prospects develop.
 
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RangerBoy said:
The Rangers are a "rebuilding' team and they so much age on D. They have Staal, Smith and Shattenkirk signed for three more seasons. Some of their D have the mobility of a stop sign. In a league where skating and moving the puck to your forwards is a major key, the Rangers don't have much of that.

Unless Gorton can ship McQuaid off at the deadline for a better return, it's a dumb trade.
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You gotta have guys who can play in case the prospects don't make it this season.

ADA is far from a sure thing at this point, and if we're going to let him sink or swim, you gotta be prepared that sinking is a very distinct possibility at this point.

Smith isn't even a sure thing to be in the NHL at this point.

Staal plays the opposite side of the blueline.

While we may be rebuilding, that doesn't mean everyone is ready. This is something to keep in mind because you're going to see these types of moves for at least the next two years while the prospects develop. Even then, you also have to factor in that some of them simply will not make it.

But even with a boatload of garbage signed for 3 more years, I don't see any blockages right now. Who do we reasonably expect to challenge in that time frame? Maybe Lindgren in a year or two? Miller in two or three years? Same for Lundkvist?

I think it'd be different if the names we're talking about were in that 22-year-old range, when it's really time to make that next jump. But I don't see that right now.

McQ isn't a savior by any stretch, nor did we pay a price for him to be one. Barring a complete breakdown of his game, he should be able to fetch a pick in return. Will it be a fourth? I don't know. But if it's a fifth, I don't know if purchasing insurance at the cost of a 4th round pick versus a fifth round pick is a dumb move at all.

But let's also for a moment look at our potential right defense, prior to the trade, assuming it's Shattenkirk, Pionk and ADA:

Average height - 5'11 and 1/3 inches tall.

Average weight - 190 pounds

NHL Experience - Shattenkirk, 536 games; Pionk, 28 games; ADA, 71 games.

Total number of NHL games played last season - 107

Avg. number of NHL games played last season - 35.6

And let's be honest, not a single one of those guys is a defensive defenseman, nor is known for being a guy who impacts the game physically.

In no way does that make McQ a tonic to all the worries on that side of our defense.

Not. Even. Close.

No one here is arguing that.

But we also can't avoid acknowledging that we probably needed another option to consider.
 
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Brooklyn Rangers Fan said:
So, here's the issue: every single complaint about how this is a bad move at its core boils down to the fact that this makes the Rangers (arguably) a worse team on the ice this year.

No value is assigned to:

a) Providing leadership/demonstrating how to be a professional.
b) Instilling confidence in a young/fragile team.
c) Teaching the skills that can be learned (e.g. defensive positioning, clearing the crease) vs. those that come naturally (e.g. skill, size).
d) Trade arbitrage – acquiring a desirable playoff piece when he is less valuable (beginning of the season when everyone's healthy and his cap hit counts 100%) to then have him available at the TDL (when teams are more likely to pay up to "go all in" and the cap hit has been reduced).

I am a definitively anti-goon poster and fan, but I like the move, because he is a tough player, who's been to the Cup, can play a regular shift, and who was clearly brought here to further the rebuild in the long term. They were interested in players of this ilk in FA to serve the purposes listed above, but other teams went out and offered the possible candidates 3 year deals at AAVs of $3MM+, so the Rangers smartly bowed out of the bidding and instead picked up a similar (arguably better) player for a low pick, which they will likely recoup, and quite possibly upgrade. Excellent GMing.

If you hate this deal, it's because you're judging it from the POV of someone who still hasn't embraced the fact that the team is rebuilding, and are concerned only with how each player acquired will help the team win the next game – rather than 2-3 games a season or two down the line.
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I embraced this rebuild before they were even rebuilding and I still think this is a questionable move.

Rangers have had several past iterations of players who they believed would have an effect on the line-up, Glass and such. It turned out that did not matter, the rest of the team did not play more physical or stick up for one another because of such a player. If anything it looked more like they deferred to that player to provide all those aspects instead of taking it upon themselves.

Rangers are rebuilding, they have two on the cusp of the NHL RD, Pionk and ADA, they are going to play Shattenkirk and McQuaid. The math there suggests someone who is on the cusp of the NHL is not going to be playing much in the NHL.

As far as the assets, who knows, he could be injured at the deadline.

To me that makes it a little different than when they re-signed McLeod, the forward prospects are not quite on the cusp, he is not going to be taking ice time away from any of them. He likely will be scratched enough where it's of little concern, McQuaid I believe is here to play as if not they would not have made the trade in the first place.

I am not trying to totally pan this move, I think McQuaid could be the type of player who can help a rebuild for some of the reasons you mentioned above, mostly I think them not winning much and being possibly intimidated is a bad combination, but I think painting this move as all positive is a little optimistic.
 
Shattenkirk
Skjei
Staal
Pionk
Smith
ADA
McQuaid
Claesson

there's your 8. 4 righties 4 lefties.

Gilmour O Gara will hit waivers and go unclaimed.

they'll let it shake out before the deadline. then make a move or two to bring up hajek who I think is ready but it won't hurt him at all to get a few months in the A.

Claesson, McQuaid maybe Smith all dealt at the deadline. It's smart if it's actually coordinated correctly
 
WeNeverGetaGoodCoach said:
Nothing against McQuaid, but only Rangers rebuild with 4 out of 6 Dmen being age 29 or more. That is pure Rangers, never win a Cup and never get top draft picks.

It is truly funny when everybody is saying Traverse City tournament is nothing, not important, then next moment Rangers GM overreacts to it and decides his Defense prospects suck and makes a trade for a veteran Dman. At least we sent Kampfer the other way.

Maybe he should consider hiring a legit AHL coaching staff to help our prospects develop.
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Rebuild doesn’t mean just playing all young players. This trade still has nothing to do with Traverse. Your tales are bad and you should spend more time thinking about them.
 
Kovalev27 said:
Shattenkirk
Skjei
Staal
Pionk
Smith
ADA
McQuaid
Claesson

there's your 8. 4 righties 4 lefties.

Gilmour O Gara will hit waivers and go unclaimed.

they'll let it shake out before the deadline. then make a move or two to bring up hajek who I think is ready but it won't hurt him at all to get a few months in the A.

Claesson, McQuaid maybe Smith all dealt at the deadline. It's smart if it's actually coordinated correctly
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O'Gara doesn't need waivers. Neither does Gilmour, for that matter.
 
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Bigas requires waivers, I have no idea what to expect there but regardless of what he does in camp/preseason I doubt it make much difference for him.
 
WeNeverGetaGoodCoach said:
Nothing against McQuaid, but only Rangers rebuild with 4 out of 6 Dmen being age 29 or more. That is pure Rangers, never win a Cup and never get top draft picks.

It is truly funny when everybody is saying Traverse City tournament is nothing, not important, then next moment Rangers GM overreacts to it and decides his Defense prospects suck and makes a trade for a veteran Dman. At least we sent Kampfer the other way.

Maybe he should consider hiring a legit AHL coaching staff to help our prospects develop.
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Where are we rebuilding with them? Having them on our roster, and in some cases, players we're just waiting contracts out on, doesn't exactly represent an actual picture of our future d-core.
 
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really? those guys are like 24 25 years old jesus we'd be doing them a favor putting them on waivers.
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Well, I'm not entirely versed on the CBA anymore, but according to capfriendly, they are exempt. So you'll probably see ADA in the NHL no matter what to start this season because he is waivers eligible and would likely be claimed.
 
TGWL said:
Where are we rebuilding with them? Having them on our roster, and in some cases, players we're just waiting contracts out on, doesn't exactly represent an actual picture of our future d-core.
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Never mind the fact that we could potentially trade them for extra assets over the next deadlines or two.

You'd think a rebuild has never been done before based on the reactions. All of the excitement the board expressed after the organization's letter has quicky given way to despondency and cliff-jumping.

I love the Rangers, but it's hard to really have the energy to get that worked up about it. We knew this was coming, and we knew this was the process. Rebuilding the pool is step one, and we're still in this process. Step two is getting the prospects in the pool from the kiddie pool to the deep end. Throwing them in doesn't always work. Edmonton is the example there. Gradually work in and then phase out the vets so the kids learn what it takes to play at the highest level and succeed, both on the ice and off.
 
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yes I fully expect ADA to make the team both with his play in camp and due to his waiver status. if Gilmour and Ogara are waiver exempt they most certainly are going to Hartford.

hajek Gilmour
Lindgren Bigras
Ogara Day
Crawley

who am I forgetting for Hartford?
 
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Bigas requires waivers, I have no idea what to expect there but regardless of what he does in camp/preseason I doubt it make much difference for him.
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Unless I am missing something, I don't believe he requires waivers. He only has 46 games played and 2 NHL seasons.
 
Kovalev27 said:
Shattenkirk
Skjei
Staal
Pionk
Smith
ADA
McQuaid
Claesson

there's your 8. 4 righties 4 lefties.

Gilmour O Gara will hit waivers and go unclaimed.

they'll let it shake out before the deadline. then make a move or two to bring up hajek who I think is ready but it won't hurt him at all to get a few months in the A.

Claesson, McQuaid maybe Smith all dealt at the deadline. It's smart if it's actually coordinated correctly
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Nothing I've seen from hajek tells me he's nhl ready right now. Do I see flashes? Ohhhh yeah. But nhl ready? Totally disagree.
 
Off Sides said:
I am going by this
Chris Bigras Waivers Calculator - CapFriendly - NHL Salary Caps
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Odd how it has him listed as having 3 NHL seasons under his belt. He played 0 NHL games 2016-2017, yet it counts it as a season played. Although, I believe the point is moot because he is entering his age 24 season which only requires 2 seasons played which he has.
 
NYR Viper said:
I wonder if the 7th is contingent on the if the Rangers re-sign McQuaid
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Would like to find out the condition too but I don't think it would be based on re-signing him to an extension. I wonder if it's based on a return if the Rangers move him at TD (e.g. Rangers send the 7th if they get 2nd or better)
 
Best thing about this signing is McQuaid has the tough grit but can still play hockey. With a lot of F's competing for very little spots, it should mean that McLeod doesn't need to make the team, at all... nevermind play that much. I call that a plus right there.
 
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Filthy Dangles said:
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Odd how it has him listed as having 3 NHL seasons under his belt. He played 0 NHL games 2016-2017, yet it counts it as a season played. Although, I believe the point is moot because he is entering his age 24 season which only requires 2 seasons played which he has.
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I think they go by days on the NHL roster to base a season regardless if the player played or not or was injured or not.
 
camp really needs to start. this trade doesn't warrant 15 pages.

kampfer was gonna be the #8 dman. mcquaid will probably be the 7th/8th guy. so we upgraded our depth in the press box.
 
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