Rumor: Nylander like Matthews unextended. Nothing to see here.

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2023 playoffs weak marner had 18 hits
Big strong Nylander had 3. A man his size with 3 hits
Don't kid yourself, both are terrified of being checked and both don't like throwing checks. Hits are very poorly tracked in the NHL too.

Watch the game and both look equally as soft, Marner doesn't look any more physical than Nylander. Offensively Nylander is more capable physically, he can fight a check off with one arm on his stick and the player hanging over his other shoulder. Making him more effective on the counter and more capable cycling the puck. Marner in the playoff produced 90% of his points 50' ish from the net, essentially on the blueline. He was completely ineffective when going deeper in the zone and pretty much the second a stick touches his body he falls.
 
There seems to be a lot of confusion here.

Nylander is signed for next season at 7M per.

The issue is a contract extension beyond 2024. Right now but Nylander and Matthews are scheduled to become UFA's on July 1, 2024.
 
There seems to be a lot of confusion here.

Nylander is signed for next season at 7M per.

The issue is a contract extension beyond 2024. Right now but Nylander and Matthews are scheduled to become UFA's on July 1, 2024.
Not a lot. Just continual confusion by a few just makes it seems that way.
 
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1) No more than 8.8 AAV for 8 years for Nylander
2) if Willy is not willing to sign then trade him or walk him to UFA and let his agent get the 84 million package (based on rumoured 10.5 x 8 yr contract) from another team on a 7 year deal which works out to 12 AAV LOL

Lets go Brad Treliving. you the man. Don't bendover like dubas. Stay STRONG!

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It's rumored that Nylander wants to stay in Toronto. But to do so, he may have to accept a lower salary. As of now, he's reportedly looking for a $9M AAV contract.

As reported by Chris Johnston:

"I don't know what the number is - probably somewhere with a 9 in it. That might sound like a lot but he's making almost 7M right now. Once that cap starts jumping, we'll have a different view of what a $9M contract is. I believe Nylander wants to stay in Toronto. He's coming off a great season, a pretty established player... I think he wants to stay and there's a way to make it happen."

8.8 AAV at max for 8 years; fully front loaded with 80% to 90% in signing bonuses. (I value Nylander at 8.5 as market value; extra 300K is just giving him some more to make him happy)

also what I'll live with:

first 5 years (full NMC/NTC)
last 3 years nothing at max a 5 team ntc if we had to get there.

ideally no full nmc/ntc but would mean higher aav so we bite the bullet on that.


side note: isn't johnston the same moron who initially stated it was 10.5 aav that willy was seeking?
 
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8.8 AAV at max for 8 years; fully front loaded with 80% to 90% in signing bonuses. (I value Nylander at 8.5 as market value; extra 300K is just giving him some more to make him happy)

also what I'll live with:

first 5 years (full NMC/NTC)
last 3 years nothing at max a 5 team ntc if we had to get there.

ideally no full nmc/ntc but would mean higher aav so we bite the bullet on that.


side note: isn't johnston the same moron who initially stated it was 10.5 aav that willy was seeking?

Could be ... you know how it works ...

Make something up, or take 1 bit of information and add 2 bits and call it a scoop.
 

It's rumored that Nylander wants to stay in Toronto. But to do so, he may have to accept a lower salary. As of now, he's reportedly looking for a $9M AAV contract.

As reported by Chris Johnston:

"I don't know what the number is - probably somewhere with a 9 in it. That might sound like a lot but he's making almost 7M right now. Once that cap starts jumping, we'll have a different view of what a $9M contract is. I believe Nylander wants to stay in Toronto. He's coming off a great season, a pretty established player... I think he wants to stay and there's a way to make it happen."

If that's indeed true (and CJ imo has been decent in terms of reporting some stuff this offseason, though iffy on other stuff) seems like a deal probably eventually gets done.
 
If that's indeed true (and CJ imo has been decent in terms of reporting some stuff this offseason, though iffy on other stuff) seems like a deal probably eventually gets done.
9MM is very acceptable for a long deal. The worse part will be listening to people lose their shit over the overpay that they construct in their brains.
 
9MM is very acceptable for a long deal. The worse part will be listening to people lose their shit over the overpay that they construct in their brains.
If he comes in at 9-9.5 for 8 years, that would be great IMO. Fair deal for both sides, not an overpayment, and way better than losing him to free agency. Now if only Matthews would sign for a fair price ...
 
If he comes in at 9-9.5 for 8 years, that would be great IMO. Fair deal for both sides, not an overpayment, and way better than losing him to free agency. Now if only Matthews would sign for a fair price ...
A fair price is a lot. What most people are talking about is a cheap price.
 
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8.8 AAV at max for 8 years; fully front loaded with 80% to 90% in signing bonuses. (I value Nylander at 8.5 as market value; extra 300K is just giving him some more to make him happy)

also what I'll live with:

first 5 years (full NMC/NTC)
last 3 years nothing at max a 5 team ntc if we had to get there.

ideally no full nmc/ntc but would mean higher aav so we bite the bullet on that.


side note: isn't johnston the same moron who initially stated it was 10.5 aav that willy was seeking?

Meier is a worse player and just signed for 8.8, Dubois is also worse and just signed for 8.5... going to be hard to tell Nylander to take a discount and pitch it as us doing him a favour.

No clue how people come up with numbers for contracts so confidently.

People are delusional about how often NMC/NTC get used, do people think we'd be looking at trading all the players with NTC/NMC right now if they didn't have it?

There are some teams with 50% of their roster on NMC/NTC.
 
A fair price is a lot. What most people are talking about is a cheap price.
Hard to say what's fair because there's Hart winning Matthews, then there's Hart Matthews extra lite who played last season. No guarantee which one shows up next season, or the season after that etc.
 
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If he comes in at 9-9.5 for 8 years, that would be great IMO. Fair deal for both sides, not an overpayment, and way better than losing him to free agency. Now if only Matthews would sign for a fair price ...

Meier is a worse player and just signed for 8.8, Dubois is also worse and just signed for 8.5... going to be hard to tell Nylander to take a discount and pitch it as us doing him a favour.

No clue how people come up with numbers for contracts so confidently.

People are delusional about how often NMC/NTC get used, do people think we'd be looking at trading all the players with NTC/NMC right now if they didn't have it?

There are some teams with 50% of their roster on NMC/NTC.

Yeah the dubois contract is yuck versus what he accomplishes.. meiers is meh

I do think nylander around 9.4 - 9.6 is where it will end up
 
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Hard to say what's fair because there's Hart winning Matthews, then there's Hart Matthews extra lite who played last season. No guarantee which one shows up next season, or the season after that etc.
Well you said Marner was overpaid by 2mm and are now saying that Willy is worth a contract at 9-9.5. Are you stating that if Nylander doesnt play at Marner level the last few overpaid years that he is overpaid as well?
 
I said it before I’ll say it again. Canadian taxes play into this. 9m in a many States is a lot better than 9m here. If they can get him at 9.5 x 8 years that’s a steal.
Imagine if the shoe was on the other foot, And American cities had high taxe disadvantage while teams like Toronto reeped in a passive advantage.

You know Gary would tax correct the salary cap. But I guess that's just sour grapes.
 
side note: isn't johnston the same moron who initially stated it was 10.5 aav that willy was seeking?
That was probably just the starting ask, which honestly isn't a big deal. You don't ever start a negotiation with the lowest number you'd accept lol. Leafs probably started at ~8.5 themselves which is also lowballish.
 
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Yeah the dubois contract is yuck versus what he accomplishes.. meiers is meh

I do think nylander around 9.4 - 9.6 is where it will end up
Indeed. :)

Well you said Marner was overpaid by 2mm and are now saying that Willy is worth a contract at 9-9.5. Are you stating that if Nylander doesnt play at Marner level the last few overpaid years that he is overpaid as well?
This post is a tad confusing, not sure who or what you're referring to with "last few overpaid years".

There's no need to twist my words around, why not keep it simple, straightforward and stick to things we've actually said.
 
Indeed. :)


This post is a tad confusing, not sure who or what you're referring to with "last few overpaid years".

There's no need to twist my words around, why not keep it simple, straightforward and stick to things we've actually said.

I domt get the dubois contract

I got the kopitar 10mil a year for average top line point production because he legit does so many other things exceptionally well and earned and delivered on that contract

Same organization paid dubois a higher rate for his offense with inconsistent uninspired non offense things. If dubois had ryan lombergs head and determination he would be an icon.. i jjst dont get it
 
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Indeed. :)


This post is a tad confusing, not sure who or what you're referring to with "last few overpaid years".

There's no need to twist my words around, why not keep it simple, straightforward and stick to things we've actually said.
I'm being consistent here while you seem to be moving the goalposts.
According to you, Marner is overpaid by 2mm making him worth ~9MM
You point out that Matthews might not be worth a high future contract based on his future performance.
Willy is now worth between 9-9.5mm which indicates he needs to perform at Marners level to be worth that.
I would hate to think that you are engaging in the logical falicy of moving the goalposts or even gaslighting because that would be indicative of a narcisistic personality disorder. I just can't believe that to be true so I am asking for some clarification due to the fact that I must be missing something.
 
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8.8 AAV at max for 8 years; fully front loaded with 80% to 90% in signing bonuses. (I value Nylander at 8.5 as market value; extra 300K is just giving him some more to make him happy)

also what I'll live with:

first 5 years (full NMC/NTC)
last 3 years nothing at max a 5 team ntc if we had to get there.

ideally no full nmc/ntc but would mean higher aav so we bite the bullet on that.


side note: isn't johnston the same moron who initially stated it was 10.5 aav that willy was seeking?
Fundamentally flawed premise and conclusion. It's going to be a number in the 9's.
 
Fundamentally flawed premise and conclusion. It's going to be a number in the 9's.
The Leafs and William Nylander have been locked in a bit of a stalemate since July 1st with neither side wanting to give an inch. Early reports are that Nylander wants in excess of $10M, while the Leafs appear to be offering something in the $8M-$8.9M range, something under the $9M mark.

With that sort of a gap between the two sides, there are some wondering whether or not a deal will even get done at this point and, after losing Johnny Gaudreau during free agency just one year ago after a lengthy negotiation, one has to wonder whether or not Leafs GM Brad Treliving has the appetite for another long, drawn-out negotiation that doesn't end up going his way again.

Rather than losing Nylander for nothing, there are many who think that dealing Nylander is the right move for the Leafs this summer. However, with most teams having already spent a lot of their money, and with Nylander's 10-team no-trade list kicking in on July 1st, moving him is a lot more difficult now than it was at the draft.
 
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