Confirmed with Link: Nylander signs extension of 8 years - 11.5M AAV

[egd27]

The pp works , they're 7th in the league % wize , right behind the Oilers .

It better, it's gonna cost $54.15M in cap dollars next season.

 

[thewave]

But you have to admit that Toronto takes it to a whole other level.

Players give better discounts to live and play in Calgary. I mean when they dont just up and leave. Edminton too.

 

[egd27]

Once the cap starts going up salaries wont matter anymore.

I thought it was supposed to take a decent jump this season and a big jump for next season. It didn't and won't any time soon.

 

[Sypher04]

I thought it was supposed to take a decent jump this season and a big jump for next season. It didn't and won't any time soon.

The salary cap is projected to be around 95M in just 2-3 years. It’s being artificially held down right now because the players weren’t done paying back the owners to start this season. I’ve heard some reports even that has said it should already be 92M right now

 

[egd27]

The salary cap is projected to be around 95M in 3 years

I'll believe when I see it.

 

[ACC1224]

But you have to admit that Toronto takes it to a whole other level.

Perhaps but that's also a biased view.

 

[Sypher04]

Sure you're always welcome to believe what you like.

It's funny though that if some random nobody on twitter were to mention that it would now be verifiable.

Not sure what mean by the last part of this? No it wouldn’t be?

 

[ACC1224]

Not sure what mean by the last part of this? No it wouldn’t be?

It shouldn't be but it is.
there was an example of this yesterday.

Confirmed with Link: - Nylander signs extension of 8 years - 11.5M AAV

It's official. This team is not serious about winning.

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[Captain Crunch]

Perhaps but that's also a biased view.

So tell me what any of the core, with the exception of Rielly perhaps, have done to prove me wrong.

Perhaps but that's also a biased view.

So you're saying other teams have done all the giving with the player(s) not giving anything back?

 

[Notsince67]

The moment they didn’t trade Marner this off-season they were done. I think most people have accepted that we are stuck with these guys. Whether we like it or not. What’s the alternative? Let Nylander walk and replace him with overpaid 30+ guys in UFA?

What could happen is a trade after the season ends. If the team implodes, there is always that option.

 

[ACC1224]

So tell me what any of the core, with the exception of Rielly perhaps, have done to prove me wrong.

So you're saying other teams have done all the giving with the player(s) not giving anything back?

Yes, teams usually give more than they take when it comes to higher end players.

 

[Captain Crunch]

Yes, teams usually give more than they take when it comes to higher end players.

I agree that they give more than they take, but the Leafs took absolutely nothing. The players got exactly what they wanted.

 

[ACC1224]

I agree that they give more than they take, but the Leafs took absolutely nothing. The players got exactly what they wanted.

That's an assumption. We aren't privy to all the information.

 

[Mess]

I both agree and disagree. We definitely have series since then that one could point to and say exactly what you’ve said (Columbus and Montreal both come to mind)

I thought the last two years we’ve battled Tampa really hard, losing one and winning one. Last year vs Florida was very disappointing though seeing how that went after finally getting the first round monkey off our backs. Worth mention however that Florida had a very similar let down when they finally got past the first round, but doesn’t make it any less frustrating

Also worth mentioning that despite winning the President's trophy Florida the year prior and failing in the playoffs they made major changes that included trading their leading scorer coming off a 116 point season Huberdeau that finished 2nd to only McDavid in scoring, moving a soft winger for Matt Tkachuk who was a force in last years playoffs.

Florida made dramatic changes to their core, while Leafs continue to double down, now simply at higher costs for the same unsuccessful core 4 with Rielly that nearly got swept by Florida last year.

Unsuccessful teams with disappointing results make changes addressing weaknesses in an effort to change the end results, while other teams do the same things over and over again, hoping for different results..

 

[Sypher04]

Also worth mentioning that despite winning the President's trophy Florida the year prior and failing in the playoffs they made major changes that included trading their leading scorer coming off a 116 point season Huberdeau that finished 2nd to only McDavid in scoring, moving a soft winger for Matt Tkachuk who was a force in last years playoffs.

Florida made dramatic changes to their core, while Leafs continue to double down, now simply at higher costs for the same unsuccessful core 4 with Rielly that nearly got swept by Florida last year.

Yes they made a big move. There isn’t anything to suggest however they wouldn’t have been able to make a similar run without the move. Also it’s not like players like Tkachuk are often available let alone want to be traded to and signed 8 years specifically in your city. Florida also gave up a very good D and I believe a 1st to make that move happen.

Changing vs not changing your core is going to vary from team to team in effectiveness and the model for the Calgary/Florida swap isn’t exactly a template one can realistically follow.

 

[Ciao]

The Nylander contract is good for the Leafs.

Nylander is a very good player, and the Leafs now have him under contract for the rest of his career.

They drafted him. He's now spent about nine years within the system, including parts of nine seasons with the Leafs. He is a high quality hockey asset and gives the franchise some stability in its player personnel.

The shock and awe at the cost of his contract will fade as time goes by. There will be inflation, and the contracts of lesser players will surpass that of Nylander.

For a very long time, the Toronto Maple Leafs were not able to attract, acquire and retain star players. The fact they now have some high quality star players on the roster is a very good thing.

It's up to management as to how to pay them, and how to manage the rest of the salary-cap. That doesn't worry me, as there is not a lot of difference between the bottom of the roster players and the talent pool that is available outside the system.

It's the top-of-the-line up players that are in high demand, and it's good that the Leafs have so many of them for a change.

 

[hullsy47]

Why do you think this? Would it not give you more confidence in sticking with this core for long term?

I'm thinking Chicago for 1 would have matched that offer for Nylander July 1
Marner might not get more in the open market but before everyone bitches and moans .
These guys are gonna get paid period
All these fans make me laugh when they say

Why do you think this? Would it not give you more confidence in sticking with this core for long term?

I'll believe when I see it.

Bet stamkos gets 10 million somewhere .maybe chicago or san jose

 

[Nineteen67]

So we kept Willie at 11m, in an effort to NOT win? Success to you is close, like horseshoes or handgrenades?

Without adding the proper pieces, success for this group would be a conference final or two.

 

[JKG33]

Also worth mentioning that despite winning the President's trophy Florida the year prior and failing in the playoffs they made major changes that included trading their leading scorer coming off a 116 point season Huberdeau that finished 2nd to only McDavid in scoring, moving a soft winger for Matt Tkachuk who was a force in last years playoffs.

Florida made dramatic changes to their core, while Leafs continue to double down, now simply at higher costs for the same unsuccessful core 4 with Rielly that nearly got swept by Florida last year.

That's what I've been preaching. Florida tried and failed twice, made one of the biggest trades in recent memory, and went to the finals.

A team like Tampa kept their core in tact, but they at least showed promise going to the SCF a few years before winning it all.

Whatve the Leafs done? Tried and failed with 0 significant changes. Rinse and repeat 7 times and here we are going on 8.

I can't think of any teams that continue to be as stupid as the Leafs in this regard. Even the 2000s-2010s Sharks who I loved to dunk on, were closer to Tampa than to Toronto.

Yes they made a big move. There isn’t anything to suggest however they wouldn’t have been able to make a similar run without the move. Also it’s not like players like Tkachuk are often available let alone want to be traded to and signed 8 years specifically in your city. Florida also gave up a very good D and I believe a 1st to make that move happen.

Changing vs not changing your core is going to vary from team to team in effectiveness and the model for the Calgary/Florida swap isn’t exactly a template one can realistically follow.

There's nothing to suggest their group would've improved though either. Cup windows are short in this league. What has this group done in 7 years to show any indication they'll figure it out in year 8 or 9 or whenever? What's the definition of insanity?

 

[Sypher04]

That's what I've been preaching. Florida tried and failed twice, made one of the biggest trades in recent memory, and went to the finals.

A team like Tampa kept their core in tact, but they at least showed promise going to the SCF a few years before winning it all.

Whatve the Leafs done? Tried and failed with 0 significant changes. Rinse and repeat 7 times and here we are going on 8.

I can't think of any teams that continue to be as stupid as the Leafs in this regard. Even the 2000s-2010s Sharks who I loved to dunk on, were closer to Tampa than to Toronto.

I think the problem is pretty simple. A) everything I wrote in my reply to the post you quoted here, but also B) I think they’ve likely identified the core player that needs to go to improve the D and G and that player holds a full NMC that ends in a year and a half.

It could not be more obvious that Matthews, Nylander and Marner are the 3 you keep of the core 4. They backed themselves into this corner but that’s where they are nonetheless

 

[JKG33]

I think the problem is pretty simple. A) everything I wrote in my reply to the post you quoted here, but also B) I think they’ve likely identified the core player that needs to go to improve the D and G and that player holds a full NMC that ends in a year and a half.

It could not be more obvious that Matthews, Nylander and Marner are the 3 you keep. They backed themselves into this corner but that’s where they are nonetheless

It could not be more obvious those 3 are insanely overpaid and won't suddenly figure it out in the playoffs

Nylander was only useful because he was cheap compared to Marner. Now that they're both making similar money, they should both be dealt.

The only one that debatably should be kept is Matthews, but even he doesn't live up to his contract in the playoffs.

Tavares can stay if he takes a pay cut and becomes the new Nylander.

 

[Ports]

Will anyone actually take marner and pay us what he is worth?

Only if it’s a sign and trade or the team they trade him to is able to extend him. I don’t know the pressure points but if the Leafs aren’t prepared to pay him $13M AAV, will another team with more favorable tax laws be able to sign him for $11.5 ? The Leafs will unlikely get value for him in any case but somehow Treliving did okay in the Tkachuk trade. I just can’t see $37-38M tied in up three forwards leading them to the promised land. A lot will depend upon how do they fare in the playoffs this spring though.

 

[Shooter2x]

Also worth mentioning that despite winning the President's trophy Florida the year prior and failing in the playoffs they made major changes that included trading their leading scorer coming off a 116 point season Huberdeau that finished 2nd to only McDavid in scoring, moving a soft winger for Matt Tkachuk who was a force in last years playoffs.

Florida made dramatic changes to their core, while Leafs continue to double down, now simply at higher costs for the same unsuccessful core 4 with Rielly that nearly got swept by Florida last year.

Unsuccessful teams with disappointing results make changes addressing weaknesses in an effort to change the end results, while other teams do the same things over and over again, hoping for different results..

Okay but Florida got the Marner in the trade not the 2 dinky assets

 

[Mess]

Yes they made a big move. There isn’t anything to suggest however they wouldn’t have been able to make a similar run without the move. Also it’s not like players like Tkachuk are often available let alone want to be traded to and signed 8 years specifically in your city. Florida also gave up a very good D and I believe a 1st to make that move happen.

Changing vs not changing your core is going to vary from team to team in effectiveness and the model for the Calgary/Florida swap isn’t exactly a template one can realistically follow.

The definition of Insanity is doing the same things over and over again and expecting different results.

To me it seems Insane that "We Can and We Will" in Toronto is the game plan going forward no matter how little results it has delivered as Leafs are among the least successful teams in a Salary Cap World.

The recent expansion Vegas Knights won the Stanley Cup and even Seattle in only their 2nd season have recorded more playoff wins in a single year than Toronto has in the last 20 years since the Cap was instituted.

It amazing to think when Matthews and Nylander's new deals kick in next year Leafs will have 4 of the top 11 highest paid players in the league all on a single team.

 

[Niagara Bill]

Without adding the proper pieces, success for this group would be a conference final or two.

Well, then, your suggestion would be to nit dign Willie or Mitchy, and ad 2 very good $6m wingers or dmen and we would be better?