Confirmed with Link: Nylander signs extension of 8 years - 11.5M AAV

[JKG33]

They remind me of the Cowboys and Jays. Good regular season team and early playoff exit.

As a cowboys fan that couldn't be a better comparison. Great regular season team. Overpaid Dak to shit the bed every playoffs, had to basically cut Cooper to afford him. Big money team with a huge fan base. Blue and white.

 

[ToneDog]

It's not even outlier season at this point, it's an outlier 37 games, not even half a season.

IMO our management group is the softest bunch of cupcakes in NHL history and player agents bend them over at will. Just thinking about Marner's next deal makes me sick.

If it is true and Willie's camp dug in at $11+mx8 from day 1, the play was to make your last offer and set him free to go find a better deal. Odds are he does not find one and signs before July 1st. They did not have the stomach (as Luke Fox said) or the ball/guts to do it so they caved and gave him everything except a TTC monthly pass.

 

[Scion]

Is it not allowed?


Pastrnak just signed for $11.25, and is a superior player…so there’s that

Do what makes you happy, but your comment had nothing to do with what I said.

 

[leafs in five]

A common thing (mistake) in the nhl is for players to have outlier contract years and getting paid for that outlier career high season.

Is there literally ANY example of that player staying at that outlier pace in the following seasons?

Every single solitary example I think of the overpaid player immediately regresses back to their career average or worse.

Matthew Tkachuk signed his deal after a career year and then had a better year. younger obviously but he was below a ppg in the year before his last season in calgary

 

[DarkKnight]

Been a few more hours, have we convinced ourselves this is a fair deal and we won't be in cap hell next year yet? How Bill left money on the table he could have got in the summer and how he's the best playoff performer since Keon? Or is that tomorrow?

Oh well, this year is our best hope imo and we can add an expiring d man.

 

[leafs in five]

who is we

 

[ACC1224]

Been a few more hours, have we convinced ourselves this is a fair deal and we won't be in cap hell next year yet? How Bill left money on the table he could have got in the summer and how he's the best playoff performer since Keon? Or is that tomorrow?

Oh well, this year is our best hope imo and we can add an expiring d man.

That's not being discussed any more. Like every thread, it's evolved into moaning about the playoff record like it's some new revelation that has never been pointed out.

 

[4thline]

A common thing (mistake) in the nhl is for players to have outlier contract years and getting paid for that outlier career high season.

Is there literally ANY example of that player staying at that outlier pace in the following seasons?

It wasn't a contract year, but Boston locked Marchand up early coming off a career high 37 goal 61 point season. He followed that up with 6 straight point per game plus seasons.

 

[DarkKnight]

That's not being discussed any more. Like every thread, it's evolved into moaning about the playoff record like it's some new revelation that has never been pointed out.

Has Dekes convinced us we actually won 2 cups already if the world was fair?

 

[Gallagbi]

Matthew Tkachuk signed his deal after a career year and then had a better year. younger obviously but he was below a ppg in the year before his last season in calgary

Panarin has gotten better since signing as well

I don't think it'll be the case for Willy, I think this is peak for him, but it happens

 

[Niagara Bill]

2 Cups in the next three to five years is not very likely. As they are currently built one or two conference finals would be considered successful. Anything more would be an over achievement.
What they need isn’t available unless they move Marner and even then it’s doubtful.


That’s a good point. And as long as Hildeby doesn’t play they have a Vezins goalie in the making.

So we kept Willie at 11m, in an effort to NOT win? Success to you is close, like horseshoes or handgrenades?

 

[Jojalu]

Has Dekes convinced us we actually won 2 cups already if the world was fair?

The Leafs can't even win the Cup in my dreams. Somehow they still lose.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Has Dekes convinced us we actually won 2 cups already if the world was fair?

Good job missing the whole point and making up strawmen.

 

[Evilhomer]

A common thing (mistake) in the nhl is for players to have outlier contract years and getting paid for that outlier career high season.

Is there literally ANY example of that player staying at that outlier pace in the following seasons?

Every single solitary example I think of the overpaid player immediately regresses back to their career average or worse.

For as much hate as he gets here, Tavares has performed much better than I suspect most people believed he would at the back end of his contract.

 

[francis246]

Even though it would change absolutely nothing moving forward.

Agreed, I don’t get who people think they are fooling. If we lost in the conference finals people would be pissed still. Anything but the cup doesn’t feel good

 

[verdi]

The point is for owners to make money via League revenue. Balanced teams help that. The cap will never go. The owners know they couldn’t compete with TOR NYR, etc.

f*** the rest of the teams that don't bring in the revenue to compete.

 

[WTFMAN99]

Agreed, I don’t get who people think they are fooling. If we lost in the conference finals people would be pissed still. Anything but the cup doesn’t feel good

I think optics are everything but that's just me.

I was really happy we won a round.

I think if we lost in 7 in a hard fought series to Panthers, it would have left me feeling more optimistic.

We largely looked like we didn't belong in that series against Florida and that was frustrating, the lack of push back.

 

[capfit9]

Your medical opinion?

Zoom out

 

[Throw More Waffles]

For as much hate as he gets here, Tavares has performed much better than I suspect most people believed he would at the back end of his contract.

But he only had one season where he met his expectations.

If you look at the contract signing thread, the rationalization for his contract was that he’s always played with stiffs and that his numbers would go through the roof playing with the leafs young stars.

That only happened his first season.

 

[notDatsyuk]

I think they know they need to move one of the core 4 for a top dman. I now think they will tread water for a year and get that dman July 1, 2025 using JT's money. Hopefully JT will resign for under $4mx2 rather than walk for nothing.

I don't think JT will walk. He will either sign here, hopefully for something like 4-5, or retire and maybe stay on as a coach.

 

[ToneDog]

I don't think JT will walk. He will either sign here, hopefully for something like 4-5, or retire and maybe stay on as a coach.

Agree just hoping it would be for cheaper. Now where have we heard that before. LOL.

 

[Gary Nylund]

We'll see when the games matter but I bet Tuzzi shows him up two fold in the playoffs. Tuzzi almost had half the points Tavares has in the playoffs for us in 31 games in a single series last year.

I wouldn't count on Bertruzzi replicating last years playoff performance, there's literally no reason whatsoever to expect him to do that.

Has Dekes convinced us we actually won 2 cups already if the world was fair?

This team is a DekesDynasty! That's much like an "expected dynasty" FTW.

Agreed, I don’t get who people think they are fooling. If we lost in the conference finals people would be pissed still. Anything but the cup doesn’t feel good

My favorite Leaf moment of the last 50 years was losing in the conference finals in 1993. It didn't feel good to lose, but it felt good to watch a team that stood up for each other, played their asses off and left it all out there. Not a single cupcake among them.

I think optics are everything but that's just me.

I was really happy we won a round.

I think if we lost in 7 in a hard fought series to Panthers, it would have left me feeling more optimistic.

We largely looked like we didn't belong in that series against Florida and that was frustrating, the lack of push back.

The lack of push back, exactly. Wining is the goal but just as important is how you win/lose. If you play hard and do your best, there's never any shame in losing but how many times can we actually say that about our team over the last 7 years? Maybe 2-3 times? Mostly these guys just fold at the finish line and that's why they're such an unlikeable group.

 

[studebaker17]

He has 2 goals in 37 games. Knies or Bert could do that role while actually screening the goalie and not standing to the side trying to get a tip on it when Auston and Willy can snipe corners.

Edit my bad has 4 now (2 in the past 5 games) but managed to stay on PP1 with 2 goals through 32 games. Accountability in full effect as always.

4 isn't actually terrible . Marner has 4, Nylander has 6 and Mathews the trigger man has 8 . The pp works , they're 7th in the league % wize , right behind the Oilers .
I agree though Knies would be most likely great in front of the net but neither him or Bert have tavares soft hands and passing ability either .
If any change is to be , stop him from trying to carry the puck .

 

[notDatsyuk]

A common thing (mistake) in the nhl is for players to have outlier contract years and getting paid for that outlier career high season.

Is there literally ANY example of that player staying at that outlier pace in the following seasons?

Every single solitary example I think of the overpaid player immediately regresses back to their career average or worse.

Mitch Marner.

If Willy ends this season with 110 points, it will not be as much of an outlier as Mitch's season prior to his last contract.

Mitch has maintained that level pretty well.

 

[thewave]

The reason being there aren't many teams that can front load the contracts like Leafs can.

Below is the breakdown
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Nylander can invest 10 million for a meagre return of 2% for the year on July 1st as a lumpsum instead of waiting months to do it. Then next year on July 1st he can re-invest 20 million with a span of 12 months - compound it and see how sweet it is compared to getting paid 11.5 over the course of the playing year.

The whole idea of giving out fully front loaded contract is to lower the AAV;

For comparison look at Pasta's contract structure
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How is it that we gave Nylander not only the fully front loaded contract but also full NMC and did not get anything in return in terms of AAV. I just don't understand why does Shanahan keep screwing the pooch so bad

EDIT (adding more info): Here is a signing bonus primer

https://ca.rbcwealthmanagement.com/documents/1943269/1943331/Signing_bonus_planning_for_sports_professionals.pdf/2ebb1a52-d371-4152-8915-8a714163238a

Same applies when you consider the Canada-Sweden tax treaty

View Treaty - Canada.ca

www.treaty-accord.gc.ca

That's Toronto after the Marner negotiation. We give them everything and they give us one series win. Its a great deal for players to play in one of the best cities in the world. Instead of people wanting to be here we have to entice them.

Flat out MLSE is as crap an organization as subsidized Bombardier, Rogers, Bell. All corporate welfare recipients. Toronto is ultra loyal fan corporate welfare. Dont even need a good product. Just good enough for the zombie nation.

Sad isnt it.