Rumor: Nylander like Matthews unextended. Nothing to see here.

[IPS]

Marner and Matthews performance against Montreal was 10x worse than anything I've seen out of Nylander.

Lmao @ people and their favorite playing.

 

[Mess]

He deserved the criticism he received by sitting out. Dubas receives criticism for caving and setting a poor precedent.
I have no problem with him on the roster but with the others having NMC's, IF one is to go he is the likeliest.

Not giving in and handing Nylander another double digit AAV is important.

Based on the inherited situation by BT you hold the line with Willy and get him at a fair market deal around $8.5-$9 mil, you try and keep Matthews and Marner next contracts more in line with the industry and when JT contract is up you have to try and get it cut into 1/2 for him to stay.

Then as the cap rises you only have 2 double digit players in AM and MM and you can build around that situation.

 

[ULF_55]

Not giving in and handing Nylander another double digit AAV is important.

Based on the inherited situation by BT you hold the line with Willy and get him at a fair market deal around $8.5-$9 mil, you try and keep Matthews and Marner next contracts more in line with the industry and when JT contract is up you have to try and get it cut into 1/2 for him to stay.

Then as the cap rises you only have 2 double digit players in AM and MM and you can build around that situation.

Just give him Meier % against the projected Cap, 87.7 * Meier%

Simple.

 

[ACC1224]

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[Leafs87]

Not giving in and handing Nylander another double digit AAV is important.

Based on the inherited situation by BT you hold the line with Willy and get him at a fair market deal around $8.5-$9 mil, you try and keep Matthews and Marner next contracts more in line with the industry and when JT contract is up you have to try and get it cut into 1/2 for him to stay.

Then as the cap rises you only have 2 double digit players in AM and MM and you can build around that situation.

The only problem with that is that Matthews isn’t signing long term. By the time we could potentially start building around the core, he’ll be up for renewal. Also unless he steps and goes 8 year at a somewhat reasonable deal, no one else will sign at a discount. Even our secondary players lately haven’t been playing along for years now. Honestly, who can blame them?

 

[Notsince67]

Not giving in and handing Nylander another double digit AAV is important.

Based on the inherited situation by BT you hold the line with Willy and get him at a fair market deal around $8.5-$9 mil, you try and keep Matthews and Marner next contracts more in line with the industry and when JT contract is up you have to try and get it cut into 1/2 for him to stay.

Then as the cap rises you only have 2 double digit players in AM and MM and you can build around that situation.

I'm holding up hope for McDavid. Then we can go over this 10+ million theory in detail.

 

[Mess]

The only problem with that is that Matthews isn’t signing long term. By the time we could potentially start building around the core, he’ll be up for renewal. Also unless he steps and goes 8 year at a somewhat reasonable deal, no one else will sign at a discount. Even our secondary players lately haven’t been playing along for years now. Honestly, who can blame them?

Our former incompetent GM gave our players UFA prices for RFA contract years on short-term deals allowing them to double down now with full NMC clauses and holding all the control and leverage.

Unfortunately that damage is irreversible and robbed the Leafs of their best Window of opportunity for Cup competitiveness as ELC and RFA years of young starts on team friendly cost controllable years is when you can build your strongest and deepest teams in Salary Cap World.

Now that accountability has been issued for the person responsible for all this is no longer in charge the best our new GM can do is try as best as possible to keep future contracts in check with lowest AAV and longest term, with limited leverage other than walking away from star players.

Hopefully this starts with holding the line with Nylander and keeping his next contract in line with the market rates and not internal Leaf rates that are anomalies around the league.

 

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They are caught up in the idea that if he is a good player than the club must bring him back. A team can't compete with no value deals. No other clubs seem to be handcuffed quite this way and four PPG forwards have not been required to win the Cup through almost all of the cap era. After JT is gone they are still doomed to have two top 5 in the league salaries. He's a fine player but time to move on.

 

[Leafs87]

Our former incompetent GM gave our players UFA prices for RFA contract years on short-term deals allowing them to double down now with full NMC clauses and holding all the control and leverage.

Unfortunately that damage is irreversible and rob the Leafs of their best Window of opportunity for Cup competitiveness as ELC and RFA years of young starts on team friendly cost controllable years is when you can build your strongest and deepest teams in Salary Cap World.

Now that accountability has been issued for the person responsible for all this is no longer in charge the best our new GM can do is try as best as possible to keep future contracts in check with lowest AAV and longest term, with limited leverage other than walking away from star players.

Hopefully this starts with holding the line with Nylander and keeping his next contract in line with the market rates and not internal Leaf rates that are anomalies around the league.

Agreed with this. My big contemplation at this point is whether it’s better to trade Matthews VS overpay for 3 years. If he’s overpaid and gets his own terms, it will set a bad precedent for the rest of the team. Nylander and Marner both mentioned, they’d take discounts if everyone does (IE Matthews). So he’s really the leader of the pact here, and I’m not crazy about the rumours I’m hearing.

 

[hullsy47]

If he sings 3 yrs it should be at 11.34.

He ll sign for as long as he wants .

 

[Throw More Waffles]

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Just give him Meier % against the projected Cap, 87.7 * Meier%

Simple.

That would be a 9.2 aav. Seems fair to me.

 

[DarkKnight]

It really isn’t a persuasive argument to respond to player critiques with “others sucked worse”. Especially when nobody is defending “others” and their playoffs. Nylander was brutal this playoffs imo, shared by many hockey people, how that translates to a critique of other players failings escapes me. It’s HIS contract we’re talking about it, his trade or keep prospects. He disappears less, what a compelling narrative I’m sure his agent uses.

 

[ZEBROA]

Nylander should not play with Tavares ever. Keefe got no ide how to get the best out of his players or team. It is painfull to watch.

If Nylander aint traded ( i belive he will be, and people will cheer , for a while, because he aint the problem). Then they cant play him with Tavares, put the three stars Tavares Mathews and Marner together. Demand them to work it out. If Nylander and Tavare should. Then the three 11mills defenitly got no excuse to not perform.

Give Nylander one fast d minded player and another just fast player. He will look a lot better.

 

[ToneDog]

It really isn’t a persuasive argument to respond to player critiques with “others sucked worse”. Especially when nobody is defending “others” and their playoffs. Nylander was brutal this playoffs imo, shared by many hockey people, how that translates to a critique of other players failings escapes me. It’s HIS contract we’re talking about it, his trade or keep prospects. He disappears less, what a compelling narrative I’m sure his agent uses.

There is something about Wilie that screams not to pay him the big bucks. I'd be selling high.

 

[IPS]

There is something about Wilie that screams not to pay him the big bucks. I'd be selling high.

~9M is around my ceiling for Willy. That's already very expensive and going higher than that seems sketchy.

If the Tavares contract was off the books it'd be a different story.

 

[ToneDog]

~9M is around my ceiling for Willy. That's already very expensive and going higher than that seems sketchy.

If the Tavares contract was off the books it'd be a different story.

Overpaying 3 soft players who have proven they do not have what it takes to carry a team in the playoffs is not a move I would make. I don't think the supporting cast are going to go through a wall for the Leafs, knowing these 3 will not while making 8,9,10x the salary.

 

[CDN24]

There is something about Wilie that screams not to pay him the big bucks. I'd be selling high.

The issue will be can you get anything close to his value without him agreeing to an extension with the new team before the trade. Hawks got a 1st (7th OA) a 2nd and a third for Debrincat with one year left expiring as an RFA. Then when he has only that RFA yr left Sens got less than that back.

With 1 year left, expiring as a UFA and known to be asking for a big $$, is there anyone out their going to give you fair value today? Maybe back in June but today Rosters are set, without an extension in place you are looking at a cap dump to make room on someones roster and futures at best

 

[TopCheese]

If he will sign for 9 mil or less i'd keep him. Anything over that and I'd trade him for a defenseman. There seems to be an obvious trade partner in Carolina, they are looking for a goal scoring 1st line winger. Nylander for Pesce and Jarvis

 

[Gary Nylund]

It really isn’t a persuasive argument to respond to player critiques with “others sucked worse”. Especially when nobody is defending “others” and their playoffs. Nylander was brutal this playoffs imo, shared by many hockey people, how that translates to a critique of other players failings escapes me. It’s HIS contract we’re talking about it, his trade or keep prospects. He disappears less, what a compelling narrative I’m sure his agent uses.

There's so much talk about our internal cap structure, Marner basing his contract demands on what Matthews gets, everyone comparing themselves against what JT gets etc. so the argument isn't “others sucked worse”, it's that cap hit needs to be considered when handing out grades and over the last few years, Nylander has been better bang for the buck than the other big stars on the team.

IMO your opinion that Nylander was brutal this playoffs is way off. I remember when we badly needed a goal in games against Florida, Nylander was the only one buzzing around out there creating chances while M&M looked like they'd given up already. If that's "brutal", then more brutality for me please.

 

[Notsince67]

There's so much talk about our internal cap structure, Marner basing his contract demands on what Matthews gets, everyone comparing themselves against what JT gets etc. so the argument isn't “others sucked worse”, it's that cap hit needs to be considered when handing out grades and over the last few years, Nylander has been better bang for the buck than the other big stars on the team.

IMO your opinion that Nylander was brutal this playoffs is way off. I remember when we badly needed a goal in games against Florida, Nylander was the only one buzzing around out there creating chances while M&M looked like they'd given up already. If that's "brutal", then more brutality for me please.

Lol. Marner was the only leaf player with a game winning goal that series.

 

[TMLAM34]

9.5 per for 8 years and call it a day.

 

[Drytoast]

Someone's gonna go and I don't care who it is at this point. Nylander Matthews Marner and Tavares have led us to cap hell and 1 playoff round in 6 years. If one goes...don't care.

 

[Americanadian]

9.5 per for 8 years and call it a day.

It’s a significant competitive disadvantage when you’re paying Nylander the same as Tkachuk, Point and Kucherov within your own division.

 

[Notsince67]

It’s a significant competitive disadvantage when you’re paying Nylander the same as Tkachuk, Point and Kucherov within your own division.

Not necessarily. If you omit any NMC or NTC, I would take it all day long and consider the leafs pretty well off.

 

[Gary Nylund]

Lol. Marner was the only leaf player with a game winning goal that series.

I hope you're not going to argue that Marner played well against Florida. He played so badly in game 3, possibly the worst game of his entire career and after that one, we were down 3-0 and the series was as good as over. Yes, he did play better in game 4 but that was a textbook case of too little too late and hardly worth bragging about.