Nylander contract discussion - New Poll

[Jojalu]

AAV matters to me more than cap percentage because not all contracts will share the same amount of term. That aside, I'd still deem Nylander's apparent 11.5 x 8 to be (somewhat) more "team-friendly" than Marner's contract and both of the deals signed by Matthews. The unfortunate part associated with that is trying to find/justify the better contracts on a team by comparing them with other contracts on the same team.

I am always confused why we try to compare contracts that were signed this year to any contract signed previous. I agree there has to be a baseline, but the whole power of th Player's Union is that salaries will always increase.

Therefore you need to have something to measure against.

An 8 million dollar contract in a 64 million cap is way less than a 10 million dollar contract in a 85 million cap.

So the dollar amount becomes meaningless.

 

[Tie Domi Esquire]

No, it’s completely inaccurate. Check the salary cap percentage at signing. AAV is not how these things are compared

he's also making less than McDavid percentage wise. Never mind that Nylander couldn't lace either of their skates. But hey who wants to win

 

[Gary Nylund]

Sorry Gary.

I have tried to answer you in a DM a bunch of times but it won't go through for some reason.

No worries, at then end of the day, there are literally millions of things more important than a professional hockey team, regardless of how deep ingrained a habit it is.

 

[Tie Domi Esquire]

How can anyone involved not just go 11x8 though right, for #88? Can we get Sid involved in the negotiations please?

Matthews signed 11.634
Marner signed 10.893

I'm sure Nylander would do 11.588. That's an extra 88k, he needs it.

 

[Eternal Leaf]

No, that’s assuming he gets paid zero in year 8.

Let's assume he gets 11.5 x 7 on the open market.

Do you think Nylander will then get 11.5 in that eighth year as a 35-year-old? He would actually need more because of the lost accumulated interest on his money since the Leafs often go upfront with their payments.

 

[Americanadian]

I am always confused why we try to compare contracts that were signed this year to any contract signed previous. I agree there has to be a baseline, but the whole power of th Player's Union is that salaries will always increase.

Therefore you need to have something to measure against.

An 8 million dollar contract in a 64 million cap is way less than a 10 million dollar contract in a 85 million cap.

So the dollar amount becomes meaningless.

Is Nylander signing for 11.5M a good thing or a bad thing for the players union? I’d bet 90% of the players want him to take less.

 

[Americanadian]

It is inaccurate to claim nylander got a bigger last contract than Pastrnak.

It is accurate to say that Nylander will have higher career earnings than Pastrnak despite being 80%(estimate) of the player Pastrnak is and them being the same draft year.

 

[Jojalu]

Is Nylander signing for 11.5M a good thing or a bad thing for the players union? I’d bet 90% of the players want him to take less.

I would probably agree because it seperates the classes even further. You either get paid an insane amount or you start taking league min


Very few middle contracts left

 

[Americanadian]

I would probably agree because it seperates the classes even further. You either get paid an insane amount or you start taking league min


Very few middle contracts left

It is wild to think he’s about to sign a contract that makes the fans, his management and his peers uncomfortable. He has a good negotiating team.

 

[Gilmour1996]

I would probably agree because it seperates the classes even further. You either get paid an insane amount or you start taking league min


Very few middle contracts left

Yet 79% voted YES when they ratified in 2020. Not the sharpest pencils in the box.

 

[Americanadian]

Yet 79% voted YES when they ratified in 2020. Not the sharpest pencils in the box.

What’s the solution though? No matter what the cap is you’re always going to have greedy players. I’m surprised both sides haven’t agreed to lower the individual cap ceiling. If the cap ceiling for a player was 12% I think that would benefit the majority of players and I don’t think any owners would push back.

 

[Racer88]

We better win it all this year because when the new deals kickin next year we are going to have an even higher percentage of the cap going to the 4 amigo’s that havnt been able to get it done for the last 7 years

 

[Evilhomer]

No worries, at then end of the day, there are literally millions of things more important than a professional hockey team, regardless of how deep ingrained a habit it is.

I think this very simple statement should be repeated in every thread on this forum. It's just entertainment. No one should take it anymore seriously than that.

It is wild to think he’s about to sign a contract that makes the fans, his management and his peers uncomfortable. He has a good negotiating team.

Labour unions are no different than any other organization. The most powerful people in the union dictate the outcomes.

 

[Squiffy]

Matthews signed 11.634
Marner signed 10.893

I'm sure Nylander would do 11.588. That's an extra 88k, he needs it.

Touché

 

[andora]

This thread makes me laugh every time i read a bit of it.. its so f***ed

I hope 6 rookies bust through next year and are standouts

 

[Aashir Mallik]

But would other teams throw 13.14 x 7 at Nylander?

That's how much he needs to reach 92M on the open market.

Exactly

I can see a team offering 11.5x7. That’s 80.5

on 8 years that’s 10.0625, just say 10 million

I don’t see how we can offer the extra year and still pay more

 

[WTFMAN99]

11.5M x 8 for Nylander or would you try to see how Elias Lindholm or Sam Reinhart look like on your roster next year at 7 years 8.5...9M at most?

2.5-3M in extra cap space and 1 less year of commitment.

Also kinda sends a shot to the roster.

Realistically 92M x 8 if it's a 7 year deal is 13.14M x7...I don't think anyone is offering 90 or 92M to Nylander on July 1st...it truly feels like we just bid against ourselves.

 

[arso40]

It is accurate to say that Nylander will have higher career earnings than Pastrnak despite being 80%(estimate) of the player Pastrnak is and them being the same draft year.

No cause Willy’s a year behind post elc

 

[arso40]

11.5M x 8 for Nylander or would you try to see how Elias Lindholm or Sam Reinhart look like on your roster next year at 7 years 8.5...9M at most?

2.5-3M in extra cap space and 1 less year of commitment.

Also kinda sends a shot to the roster.

Realistically 92M x 8 if it's a 7 year deal is 13.14M x7...I don't think anyone is offering 90 or 92M to Nylander on July 1st...it truly feels like we just bid against ourselves.

He’s better than both players and is the only game breaker among the three marners not even capable of making jt look good you think lindholm will?? Reinhart??? Stop it if anyone should be traded and I don’t want to trade either of them but it would and should be marner

 

[Kiwi]

11.5M x 8 for Nylander or would you try to see how Elias Lindholm or Sam Reinhart look like on your roster next year at 7 years 8.5...9M at most?

2.5-3M in extra cap space and 1 less year of commitment.

Also kinda sends a shot to the roster.

Realistically 92M x 8 if it's a 7 year deal is 13.14M x7...I don't think anyone is offering 90 or 92M to Nylander on July 1st...it truly feels like we just bid against ourselves.

Reinhart hasn't even left Florida, so let's pump the brakes until he actually leaves and Lindholm isn't even in the same zip code of Nylander or Reinhart

If Nylander walks we aren't filling his hole like that, it's going to be a couple of UFA's making 5-6M and at that point I'd rather just keep Nylander quite honestly

 

[WTFMAN99]

He’s better than both players and is the only game breaker among the three marners not even capable of making jt look good you think lindholm will?? Reinhart??? Stop it if anyone should be traded and I don’t want to trade either of them but it would and should be marner

Tavares seems to produce whether it's Nylander or Marner there, in fact the 2 seasons prior to this, JT-88 didn't really looked that good at all, Bertuzzi seems like he's made the mix work.

Lindholm is a right handed centre but offensively not as good this year.

In terms of Reinhart versus Nylander and game breaking

Their last 3 years looks like thiss;

Reinhart: 199GP 199PTS

Nylander: 200GP 221PTS

So 22 pts difference...for the 2.5-3M in difference, I would sleep okay at night if it was Reinhart.

Reinhart hasn't even left Florida, so let's pump the brakes until he actually leaves and Lindholm isn't even in the same zip code of Nylander or Reinhart

If Nylander walks we aren't filling his hole like that, it's going to be a couple of UFA's making 5-6M and at that point I'd rather just keep Nylander quite honestly

You don't think you can find 2 UFA's to put together 82 pts combined? This is career year Nylander but prior to this he hasn't really been pt/game.

Reinhart and Florida haven't talked contract, I want to say it was Friedman that put that out there but don't want to say that for sure.

So if you signed either one of them, Lindholm gets you 60 pts minimum, and Reinhart is gonna be good for 70-80...

I would say I am sure we can make good use of 2.5-3M to add on top something useful but Treliving runs this team so I can't say that confidently.

 

[Jojalu]

Reinhart hasn't even left Florida, so let's pump the brakes until he actually leaves and Lindholm isn't even in the same zip code of Nylander or Reinhart

If Nylander walks we aren't filling his hole like that, it's going to be a couple of UFA's making 5-6M and at that point I'd rather just keep Nylander quite honestly

It most likely is an overpay.

The other side of the coin is Nylander just chose to stay with the Leafs for 8 years. He and Morgs are the only ones to sign full term.

Argue if you must that the only reason he did was for the extra money, but he still chose to play herr for his career.

The Leafs havn't had a lot of career players in the past 40 years

 

[WTFMAN99]

It most likely is an overpay.

The other side of the coin is Nylander just chose to stay with the Leafs for 8 years. He and Morgs are the only ones to sign full term.

Argue if you must that the only reason he did was for the extra money, but he still chose to play herr for his career.

The Leafs havn't had a lot of career players in the past 40 years

Rielly is a beauty...guys were making 8-9.5M and Rielly took 7.5M x 8 and there was no media bs and speculation.

I suspect Marner is going to be willing to sign for 8 years on his next deal, I just think the aav is going to suck.

 

[notDatsyuk]

Do you think he will average more than that the next 8 years?

More important than his career average (0.83 ppg prior to this season) is his regular improvement from year to year.

Since signing his last contract, his ppg has gone from 0.50 (the season he missed training camp and a chunk of the season) to (in order by season) 0.87 0.82 0.99 1.06 1.46.

A marked improvement almost every year.

Average 71 points per 82 games? That's under 0.87 ppg. He has not only done better than that four of the last five years, but keeps doing better and better.

No reason to think his last 2+ seasons are an aberration.

 

[Buds17]

What’s the solution though? No matter what the cap is you’re always going to have greedy players. I’m surprised both sides haven’t agreed to lower the individual cap ceiling. If the cap ceiling for a player was 12% I think that would benefit the majority of players and I don’t think any owners would push back.

The difference might be found in no player currently earning the individual max (AAV). Conversely, some players do sit at or above that 12% threshold. Players capable of earning that 12% in the future may be inclined to sign shorter term deals in the interest of reaching that number more often/as often as possible.