Proposal: NYI/SJ

[doublechili]

I wouldn't trade the Stars 1st for Dobson straight up.

Doesn't matter though. He's a free agent. Why pay assets when you can just sign him.

The poster you quoted is obviously referencing the fact that Dobson is a year away from unrestricted free agency.

Is that really obvious?

Seems to me the first poster maybe thought he was a pending UFA. Dobson is an RFA, and the point of the Isles trading him would be partly to bypass extending him or getting in a situation where he could force becoming a UFA in a year. And "you can just sign him" obviously doesn't include an offer sheet because that would involve more than the Stars' 1st.

Not that I think the initial trade proposal was a fair one....

 

[Grinner]

lmao no it wouldn’t. It’s pretty clear in this entire thread that the Sharks aren’t willing to pay up (which is fine) but that doesn’t mean we’ll just give him to you for cheaper. There will be plenty of teams willing to pay, and you don’t even know what Grier’s thinking, maybe he’s one of those willing bunch

Everybody thinks their guy will fetch some over payment or whatever. It almost never happens.

 

[Juxtaposer]

lmao no it wouldn’t. It’s pretty clear in this entire thread that the Sharks aren’t willing to pay up (which is fine) but that doesn’t mean we’ll just give him to you for cheaper. There will be plenty of teams willing to pay, and you don’t even know what Grier’s thinking, maybe he’s one of those willing bunch

Didn’t Colorado just pay a 1st and a top prospect for a 34 year old center on an expiring contract that everyone was swearing would only return a 2nd and mediocre prospect? Somehow a 24 year old RFA defenseman coming off a 70 point season and still producing at a solid rate will return only return something equal to what Brock went for, if not less. Oh this place never changes. Dobson will easily go for higher like you said.

Deadline prices for UFAs are always much higher than summer prices. Always.

Insisting Dobson will get more than the typical "B+/A- prospect, late 1st, useful roster player" is just wishful thinking. That's what those guys always, always get.

 

[UED]

he just had a disaster season and now isles fans are trying to get rid of him. he wouldn't get much more than chychrun got when arizona got rid of him the year after his disaster season, which is a 1st and two 2nds

 

[seafoam]

Smith is worth eons more than Dobson.

 

[TheDawnOfANewTage]

Noah Dobson + Peter Engvall(negative Value) for Will Smith (or SJ's first rounder depending who is left on the board)

Islanders gain cap space plus a cost controlled Center, while SJ gets a young top pairing defensemen for their rebuild

 

[ALEXIVICH CHULKATURI]

The Islanders will resign him to 8x10. 6’3 25 year old defensemen who skate the way he does do not grow on trees.Dobson, Romanov, and George will be on the Island for the next 7 years. You can have Pulock for a third and 4th thoug.

 

[crashthenet]

lmao no it wouldn’t. It’s pretty clear in this entire thread that the Sharks aren’t willing to pay up (which is fine) but that doesn’t mean we’ll just give him to you for cheaper. There will be plenty of teams willing to pay, and you don’t even know what Grier’s thinking, maybe he’s one of those willing bunch

Let me know when you find someone in the entire thread that is a decision maker. Meantime, Musty and a very late first is more than fair ask for Dobson's offense.

 

[matt trick]

The Islanders will resign him to 8x10. 6’3 25 year old defensemen who skate the way he does do not grow on trees.Dobson, Romanov, and George will be on the Island for the next 7 years. You can have Pulock for a third and 4th thoug.

That's a much better fit for the Sharks. Still in the building phase. Need a couple solid defenseman to bump down Muk, Ferraro, and Liljigren while we add more talent through the draft.

I'd give up a 2nd+4th, though I recognise the Islanders may be looking to open up a bit of cap space, so it may be cheaper. RHD are in very short supply though. Ekblad, Fabbro, and....

 

[TheBeard]

That's a much better fit for the Sharks. Still in the building phase. Need a couple solid defenseman to bump down Muk, Ferraro, and Liljigren while we add more talent through the draft.

I'd give up a 2nd+4th, though I recognise the Islanders may be looking to open up a bit of cap space, so it may be cheaper. RHD are in very short supply though. Ekblad, Fabbro, and....

5 more years at over 6 and he's already over 30. I'm not giving up more than a 4th for an OK defenseman who offers very little offensively.

 

[Juxtaposer]

That's a much better fit for the Sharks. Still in the building phase. Need a couple solid defenseman to bump down Muk, Ferraro, and Liljigren while we add more talent through the draft.

I'd give up a 2nd+4th, though I recognise the Islanders may be looking to open up a bit of cap space, so it may be cheaper. RHD are in very short supply though. Ekblad, Fabbro, and....

Non-discussion as Pulock has a full NTC. Plus that contract is going to look horrible in a couple years, not sure I'd even want it for free.

 

[matt trick]

5 more years at over 6 and he's already over 30. I'm not giving up more than a 4th for an OK defenseman who offers very little offensively.

For some reason I thought he was 29. While a 35 y/o in 5 years is not ideal, I’m pretty concerned about how we upgrade our RD. Outside Pohlkamp we have nothing coming, and he’s not a sure thing.

Non-discussion as Pulock has a full NTC. Plus that contract is going to look horrible in a couple years, not sure I'd even want it for free.

A) Good point, that’ll likely stop discussion.

B) It likely would in the last year maybe two, but pretty soon #4 dmen will be making between $6.5-8, especially with size and a right shot. If not Gavrikov (my first choice), don’t love the options in free agency.

 

[mouser]

he just had a disaster season and now isles fans are trying to get rid of him. he wouldn't get much more than chychrun got when arizona got rid of him the year after his disaster season, which is a 1st and two 2nds

Chychrun had 2+ years of contract before UFA remaining when he was traded. Very different situation than a player entering the final season of their contract like Dobson with one year of RFA left.

 

[Chapin Landvogt]

I think if Lou decides to move Dobson, he is going to target a young forward like Eklund as the key piece he'd be looking for in return.

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NYI fans will logically see SJS as a possible trading partner because of the current lack of high level puck-moving defensemen, plenty of cap space, and more than enough on stock to trade in a deal.

SJS fans may see the interest level of their favorite team being less than an NYI fan would assume.

 

[Bizz]

Eklund is gonna be PPG+ next season. You're not getting him.

 

[Juxtaposer]

I think if Lou decides to move Dobson, he is going to target a young forward like Eklund as the key piece he'd be looking for in return.

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NYI fans will logically see SJS as a possible trading partner because of the current lack of high level puck-moving defensemen, plenty of cap space, and more than enough on stock to trade in a deal.

SJS fans may see the interest level of their favorite team being less than an NYI fan would assume.

SJ is a logical location for a Dobson trade, it makes sense that Isles fans would propose trading Dobson to us.

They just don't seem to understand that players of Dobson's contract status with his inconsistent play don't land single high-end assets like Eklund, who is on his ELC. The contract status is a big piece affecting his value that fans like to ignore with statements like "assuming a contract extension is worked out at the time of the trade". I think it's pretty undeniable that Dobson, even if he came with an extension, is going to be pretty overpaid, which decreases his value. The more UFA years bought with a contract extension, the more the price and trade protection is going to resemble what he would get as an unrestricted free agent, which drives down his value.

 

[Chapin Landvogt]

SJ is a logical location for a Dobson trade, it makes sense that Isles fans would propose trading Dobson to us.

They just don't seem to understand that players of Dobson's contract status with his inconsistent play don't land single high-end assets like Eklund, who is on his ELC. The contract status is a big piece affecting his value that fans like to ignore with statements like "assuming a contract extension is worked out at the time of the trade". I think it's pretty undeniable that Dobson, even if he came with an extension, is going to be pretty overpaid, which decreases his value. The more UFA years bought with a contract extension, the more the price and trade protection is going to resemble what he would get as an unrestricted free agent, which drives down his value.

It's true. There are (considerable) downsides to acquiring Dobson, aside from any on-ice analysis.

He and his agent are a bit in the driver's seat with respect to what happens next - or at the latest in the summer of 2026.

And for the Islanders, the coaching staff still clearly feels he needs to be on the ice a lot. The team has invested plenty of time in Dobson over the past 8 years. Since returning from a one-month injury, his statline reads 2-9-11 and -7 in 16 games, but he's logging this ice time for a Barzalless, Nelsonless team which, on paper, should actually be battling for a top 5 draft pick this summer.

What do you think Grier would offer if Lou asks about interest in Dobson's services, contractual uncertainty included?

Or do you think Grier just wouldn't be interested?

 

[SI90]

he just had a disaster season and now isles fans are trying to get rid of him. he wouldn't get much more than chychrun got when arizona got rid of him the year after his disaster season, which is a 1st and two 2nds

Chychrun has never had a 50pt season. Dobson hit 70pts last year on a team that doesn’t score many goals and has a horrible PP.

This year the entire team has been in disarray. There were times that the entire defense was injured. The whole left side, then the whole ride side. Then Barzal has been injured. Duclair injured. Nelson traded away. Just an off year for the isles.

Dobson, while he hasn’t had a consistent season, still just turned 25. He’s 6’4 puck moving right shot defensman who’s really good offensively. Inconsistent in the defensive zone. That being said, Dobson’s don’t grow on trees.

I personally dont want to trade him but I don’t think people realize just how valued he would be to GMs around the league.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

It's true. There are (considerable) downsides to acquiring Dobson, aside from any on-ice analysis.

He and his agent are a bit in the driver's seat with respect to what happens next - or at the latest in the summer of 2026.

And for the Islanders, the coaching staff still clearly feels he needs to be on the ice a lot. The team has invested plenty of time in Dobson over the past 8 years. Since returning from a one-month injury, his statline reads 2-9-11 and -7 in 16 games, but he's logging this ice time for a Barzalless, Nelsonless team which, on paper, should actually be battling for a top 5 draft pick this summer.

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What do you think Grier would offer if Lou asks about interest in Dobson's services, contractual uncertainty included?

Or do you think Grier just wouldn't be interested?

I don't think Grier would have any interest in Dobson if he either can't speak to him before a deal is done or does and Dobson says he's not interested in extending long term. The Sharks aren't in a position to give up significant value without practical certainty of retaining the player long term.

 

[Juxtaposer]

It's true. There are (considerable) downsides to acquiring Dobson, aside from any on-ice analysis.

He and his agent are a bit in the driver's seat with respect to what happens next - or at the latest in the summer of 2026.

And for the Islanders, the coaching staff still clearly feels he needs to be on the ice a lot. The team has invested plenty of time in Dobson over the past 8 years. Since returning from a one-month injury, his statline reads 2-9-11 and -7 in 16 games, but he's logging this ice time for a Barzalless, Nelsonless team which, on paper, should actually be battling for a top 5 draft pick this summer.

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What do you think Grier would offer if Lou asks about interest in Dobson's services, contractual uncertainty included?

Or do you think Grier just wouldn't be interested?

As I've said, if Dobson gets traded, it will be for the standard "A-/B+ prospect, useful roster player, late 1st round pick". The prospect could be Isles choice of a few options. Dickinson/Chernyshov would be off the table, plus the obvious guys already on the roster. Musty (upside), Bystedt (big two-way center), Halttunen (heavy sniper), Cagnoni (small PMD), etc., Isles could take their pick. Plus Dallas 1st this year (or Edmonton 1st next year, if Isles prefer that. And the roster player could be pretty much anyone outside of the obvious guys, but someone like Ferraro or Thrun is probably the most logical option.

I have no idea if Grier would be interested. His type is "hard to play against", which I wouldn't exactly classify Dobson as, but I think beggars can't be choosers when it comes to RHD in this league.

 

[Mr Misunderstood]

No from this SJ fan. Smith has 5 more years of cost control. No way in heck we're taking Engvall too.

Between "Peter" Engvall and your username I thought we were talking about the giant chicken

 

[impaaaaaact]

OP offer was borderline insulting - that being said, SJ fans you all seem super reasonable and level headed which is a rarity on the trade forums. Kudos to you guys.

As far as I can tell, RD is the biggest hole in the organization and you're not going to be drafting one this year. I think there's probably a fit between these two teams, and I think Dobson's value (assuming he would extend in SJ) is probably a little higher than you all are giving credit for.

Wouldn't it make sense to fill that hole by trading Eklund? I would think so - at the end of the day, a winger is the easiest position to replace (not to mention Musty and maybe Misa on the way). Not like he's going to be on his ELC forever. I would go as far as to say there would probably be a small-ish add on top of that. Bysedt would be attractive to the Isles as our C depth is lacking. I'd be happy to add a second in the deal from NYI as well.

Not sure I'm in love with trading Dobson from an NYI perspective, but I think there's a chance it happens this summer.

 

[Gecklund]

OP offer was borderline insulting - that being said, SJ fans you all seem super reasonable and level headed which is a rarity on the trade forums. Kudos to you guys.

As far as I can tell, RD is the biggest hole in the organization and you're not going to be drafting one this year. I think there's probably a fit between these two teams, and I think Dobson's value (assuming he would extend in SJ) is probably a little higher than you all are giving credit for.

Wouldn't it make sense to fill that hole by trading Eklund? I would think so - at the end of the day, a winger is the easiest position to replace (not to mention Musty and maybe Misa on the way). Not like he's going to be on his ELC forever. I would go as far as to say there would probably be a small-ish add on top of that. Bysedt would be attractive to the Isles as our C depth is lacking. I'd be happy to add a second in the deal from NYI as well.

Not sure I'm in love with trading Dobson from an NYI perspective, but I think there's a chance it happens this summer.

I mean it probably does make sense to move Eklund in the deal but you’re not going to get buy in from fans here. Personally I’d keep him off the table for anything less than an elite level RHD which Dobson is not.

 

[Sendhelplease]

OP offer was borderline insulting - that being said, SJ fans you all seem super reasonable and level headed which is a rarity on the trade forums. Kudos to you guys.

As far as I can tell, RD is the biggest hole in the organization and you're not going to be drafting one this year. I think there's probably a fit between these two teams, and I think Dobson's value (assuming he would extend in SJ) is probably a little higher than you all are giving credit for.

Wouldn't it make sense to fill that hole by trading Eklund? I would think so - at the end of the day, a winger is the easiest position to replace (not to mention Musty and maybe Misa on the way). Not like he's going to be on his ELC forever. I would go as far as to say there would probably be a small-ish add on top of that. Bysedt would be attractive to the Isles as our C depth is lacking. I'd be happy to add a second in the deal from NYI as well.

Not sure I'm in love with trading Dobson from an NYI perspective, but I think there's a chance it happens this summer.

This is the sort of trade that I would not make as a Sharks fan but if the team made the move I would not be too mad.

 

[impaaaaaact]

I mean it probably does make sense to move Eklund in the deal but you’re not going to get buy in from fans here. Personally I’d keep him off the table for anything less than an elite level RHD which Dobson is not.

Well... what elite level RDs are available? Teams don't trade those. Dobson is probably the next best thing.

Again, it's a super risky trade from an NYI standpoint, but they're at the point where they need to take some risks or slowly peeter out into obscurity. Top 6 winger and future 3C could be worth it