Proposal: NYI/SJ

[BillR10]

You do realize that Defensemen take like 3-4 years to hit their stride usually. You basically would get a guy who is still young but entering his prime years. Much better than some 18 year old defenseman who probably will spend 2 years in junior/college before joining your team(at least from an on ice perspective, the younger one gives you some cap relief for those first few years)

Unless the pick is the 1OA the odds are the sharks wouldn't be drafting a 18 yr old dman as Schneider would be gone. More realistically the Sharks end up with Hagens, Misa, or Martone that will be in the NHL in a year or 2. I'd rather take one of those for the next 6 or more years with the pick then trade it for Dobson AND a cap dump. The Sharks will look to land D via trade but they will do so without having to move that top pick as they got another 1st this year, 2 firsts next and 2 seconds each year plus some good prospects that they could move. That's a lot of ammunition to facilitate a trade. As Jux just said and I agree a trade like the Stars 1st, Bystedt, Ferraro is more realistic. If the sharks 1st or Smith is a sticking point there's nothing to be had here

 

[Patty Ice]

Noah Dobson + Peter Engvall(negative Value) for Will Smith (or SJ's first rounder depending who is left on the board)

Islanders gain cap space plus a cost controlled Center, while SJ gets a young top pairing defensemen for their rebuild

Why would SJ take negative asset and get nothing in return?

Simple to answer

 

[Patty Ice]

From my perspective I either want a young cost controlled player or a legit 1st line forward. Trading him for a bunch of picks and lower level prospects makes no sense

Make it make sense from the Sharks POV.

 

[miscs75]

Make it make sense from the Sharks POV.

Dobson is a Canadian and Pierre Engvall is Swedish. That’s about all I have besides the fact Dobson shoots right and Engvall shoots left. Trade is more suspect than the interpretation of goaltender interference.

 

[TheBeard]

Maybe Dobson around a package centered around future 3C power superstar Zach Ostapchuk?

 

[qcal1427]

Dobson for their 26 1st unprotected is much more interesting

 

[SanJoseRedditor]

Dobson for their 26 1st unprotected is much more interesting

Even if Dobson is extended, San Jose wouldn't do that.

 

[BLNY]

Noah Dobson + Peter Engvall(negative Value) for Will Smith (or SJ's first rounder depending who is left on the board)

Islanders gain cap space plus a cost controlled Center, while SJ gets a young top pairing defensemen for their rebuild

Krom laughs at your four winds and the Sharks laugh at this offer.

 

[Bizz]

I wouldn't trade the Stars 1st for Dobson straight up.

Doesn't matter though. He's a free agent. Why pay assets when you can just sign him.

 

[WangMustGo]

I wouldn't trade the Stars 1st for Dobson straight up.

Doesn't matter though. He's a free agent. Why pay assets when you can just sign him.

Sure please do sign him, the isles will gladly take your next 4 first round picks for him.

 

[Juxtaposer]

Sure please do sign him, the isles will gladly take your next 4 first round picks for him.

So to be clear, you think Noah Dobson is worth $11.5M per year?

 

[Sharksfan66]

The Sharks have made this trade before (Brett Burns). It didn't cost anywhere near what the OP is suggesting here. I think Dobson is a great target for the Sharks and there's a trade to be made here, but if this is an ask, wait a year for him to walk to UFA and just get him for free.

 

[WangMustGo]

So to be clear, you think Noah Dobson is worth $11.5M per year?

No I don’t, but he’s not gonna be let go for anything less if it’s just an offer sheet. Realistically I think he’s worth 8-9 per year. I also wouldn’t be surprised if he is traded for a young top line forward.

 

[Juxtaposer]

No I don’t, but he’s not gonna be let go for anything less if it’s just an offer sheet. Realistically I think he’s worth 8-9 per year. I also wouldn’t be surprised if he is traded for a young top line forward.

So if he were offer-sheeted at $11.4M, you'd match? No one would do that, obviously, but I'm curious now.

The poster you quoted is obviously referencing the fact that Dobson is a year away from unrestricted free agency.

 

[Isles72]

isles will move him or extend him before he can play the arbitration card .obviously we have no idea if Grier is interested but if so I'd imagine he's smart enough to have Dobson agreeable to a contract beforehand (sign and trade , or whatever)

I like a lot of san jose's young players ; they've set the table nicely with the painful rebuild .

 

[boredmale]

The Sharks have made this trade before (Brett Burns). It didn't cost anywhere near what the OP is suggesting here. I think Dobson is a great target for the Sharks and there's a trade to be made here, but if this is an ask, wait a year for him to walk to UFA and just get him for free.

I would use this trade as an example if it's for a pick



Now I would say Dobson(let's ignore Engvall) has more value than Stepan had when he was traded for the 7th pick. I can get if you don't want to trade one of the top 2 picks but if it's 3rd or 4th I think the drop off with those 2 picks makes sense given the makeup of the San Jose defense

 

[Grinner]

I would use this trade as an example if it's for a pick



Now I would say Dobson(let's ignore Engvall) has more value than Stepan had when he was traded for the 7th pick. I can get if you don't want to trade one of the top 2 picks but if it's 3rd or 4th I think the drop off with those 2 picks makes sense given the makeup of the San Jose defense

I'll pass as a Sharks fan
That hardly worked out well for the Yotes

 

[Pinkfloyd]

I would use this trade as an example if it's for a pick



Now I would say Dobson(let's ignore Engvall) has more value than Stepan had when he was traded for the 7th pick. I can get if you don't want to trade one of the top 2 picks but if it's 3rd or 4th I think the drop off with those 2 picks makes sense given the makeup of the San Jose defense

I think this is a reach but it's a fair enough point. I just don't think the Sharks are going to make that pick available when even the drop off at that level is still likely more valuable than Dobson and there's also no precedence for a player like Dobson in his situation to pull a pick that high. Players like Dobson go for 1st rounders outside the top ten, a player/contract, and a reasonably valuable prospect.

 

[BillR10]

No I don’t, but he’s not gonna be let go for anything less if it’s just an offer sheet. Realistically I think he’s worth 8-9 per year. I also wouldn’t be surprised if he is traded for a young top line forward.

Chychrun just got 9 per for 8 yrs. Dobson is going to be asking 10+ referencing his 70pt season and Chychrun hasn't ever hit 50. So ultimately he's going to end up getting more than you think he's worth. Can't see a team ponying up a cost controlled top line forward for a Dman that fans of the team he's playing for thinks he's gonna be overpaid.

 

[DG93]

You do realize Dobson can force his way straight to UFA by selecting arbitration if he is traded and doesn't like his destination. He has nowhere near the value you seem to think he does.

Dobson's value, if he's traded, will be the "B+ prospect plus late 1st plus roster player" package these types of guys always go for. Think Brent Burns and a 2nd for Charlie Coyle, Devin Setoguchi, and 28th overall. Or Timo Meier for Shakir Mukhamadullin, Fabian Zetterlund, and a late 1st.

It's fine if you don't want to move him for that, but you won't get anything close to Will Smith or a top-3 pick for Dobson.

So based on that model, the offer would be something along the lines of Bystedt (B+ prospect), Dallas 1st round pick (late first), and Colin Graf (roster player)?

 

[Sharksfan66]

I would use this trade as an example if it's for a pick



Now I would say Dobson(let's ignore Engvall) has more value than Stepan had when he was traded for the 7th pick. I can get if you don't want to trade one of the top 2 picks but if it's 3rd or 4th I think the drop off with those 2 picks makes sense given the makeup of the San Jose defense

Are you saying Deangelo had as much value as Burns when he was traded? Or Stepan? And where in here is the top 3 draft pick or top prospect? I don't get the point you are making here at all.

The reason I use Burns as a comparable is he was a big, right handed top pairing D with a ton of offense but not much beyond that, a former first round pick who had sort of lived up to the hype but was sort of wearing out his welcome in Minny, as folks saw potential for more but he never put it together there. I haven't watched a ton of Dobson but that sounds like basically the case here from what I read on here and have seen in my limited viewings. Do I have Dobson wrong?

 

[Sharksfan66]

So based on that model, the offer would be something along the lines of Bystedt (B+ prospect), Dallas 1st round pick (late first), and Colin Graf (roster player)?

This is much more along the lines of what I was thinking. If that's not enough, so be it. Dobson would be an interesting add at the right price but he doesn't sound like the kind of player you break the bank for.

 

[crashthenet]

No thanks. If Dobson was available, I think SJ would be interested, but not for Smith, our first, or next year’s first. A package including Dallas 1st, EDM 1st, Musty, Cherny, Bystedt, and maybe Eklund I could definitely see. Maybe Dickinson, but I’d pass.

Can’t imagine you’d get a Hagens/Smith level asset for Dobson. He’d be our #1 dman, but he has had a down year, and UFA/$10M contract is right around the corner. If he were better defensively, I’d be game. His offense, minute-munching, size, and right hand shot are all needs. Maybe Buffalo/Philly would give 4-7 but I think both would be better off with drafting one of the young centers.

Maybe you could grab Rossi (though their defense is pretty stacked) or one of the top young guys in Seattle, but teams seldom move top tier young centers, doubly so on an ELC.

26 year old top pairing RHD don’t become available often, and we need one, but I’d rather have Smith and Martone/Hagens.

Musty and the lesser first would get it done.

 

[icelander25]

Musty and the lesser first would get it done.

lmao no it wouldn’t. It’s pretty clear in this entire thread that the Sharks aren’t willing to pay up (which is fine) but that doesn’t mean we’ll just give him to you for cheaper. There will be plenty of teams willing to pay, and you don’t even know what Grier’s thinking, maybe he’s one of those willing bunch

 

[miscs75]

lmao no it wouldn’t. It’s pretty clear in this entire thread that the Sharks aren’t willing to pay up (which is fine) but that doesn’t mean we’ll just give him to you for cheaper. There will be plenty of teams willing to pay, and you don’t even know what Grier’s thinking, maybe he’s one of those willing bunch

Didn’t Colorado just pay a 1st and a top prospect for a 34 year old center on an expiring contract that everyone was swearing would only return a 2nd and mediocre prospect? Somehow a 24 year old RFA defenseman coming off a 70 point season and still producing at a solid rate will return only return something equal to what Brock went for, if not less. Oh this place never changes. Dobson will easily go for higher like you said.