Proposal: NYI/SJ

[boredmale]

Noah Dobson + Peter Engvall(negative Value) for Will Smith (or SJ's first rounder depending who is left on the board)

Islanders gain cap space plus a cost controlled Center, while SJ gets a young top pairing defensemen for their rebuild

 

[Stewie Griffin]

No from this SJ fan. Smith has 5 more years of cost control. No way in heck we're taking Engvall too.

 

[BillR10]

Hard no from SJ. Wouldn't trade Smith or the potential 1OA for Dobson straight up without your added negative value cap dump. SJ is not giving that serious of futures for a 25yr old DMan that needs to get paid in the offseason and if he doesn't want to stay is 1 year away from UFA. Now if you were talking the Stars 1st then people would start to listen but Smith or the possible 1OA is crazy talk

 

[matt trick]

No thanks. If Dobson was available, I think SJ would be interested, but not for Smith, our first, or next year’s first. A package including Dallas 1st, EDM 1st, Musty, Cherny, Bystedt, and maybe Eklund I could definitely see. Maybe Dickinson, but I’d pass.

Can’t imagine you’d get a Hagens/Smith level asset for Dobson. He’d be our #1 dman, but he has had a down year, and UFA/$10M contract is right around the corner. If he were better defensively, I’d be game. His offense, minute-munching, size, and right hand shot are all needs. Maybe Buffalo/Philly would give 4-7 but I think both would be better off with drafting one of the young centers.

Maybe you could grab Rossi (though their defense is pretty stacked) or one of the top young guys in Seattle, but teams seldom move top tier young centers, doubly so on an ELC.

26 year old top pairing RHD don’t become available often, and we need one, but I’d rather have Smith and Martone/Hagens.

 

[SI90]

I wish Peter Engvall was on the islanders instead of his cousin Pierre.

Anyway, no interest in trading Dobson.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

Noah Dobson + Peter Engvall(negative Value) for Will Smith (or SJ's first rounder depending who is left on the board)

Islanders gain cap space plus a cost controlled Center, while SJ gets a young top pairing defensemen for their rebuild

Will Smith and the Sharks 1st round pick this year are untouchable. There might be a scenario where William Eklund could be on the table for Dobson and I'm sure the Sharks have other assets that can make a Dobson trade make sense but it isn't going to be either of those two assets.

 

[boredmale]

I'm sure the Sharks have other assets that can make a Dobson trade make sense but it isn't going to be either of those two assets.

From my perspective I either want a young cost controlled player or a legit 1st line forward. Trading him for a bunch of picks and lower level prospects makes no sense

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

Dobson has value, but he doesn't have that kind of value

 

[Pinkfloyd]

From my perspective I either want a young cost controlled player or a legit 1st line forward. Trading him for a bunch of picks and lower level prospects makes no sense

That's why you could see about Eklund being your answer depending on some circumstances. I'd prefer to keep Eklund and sign him long term but if he doesn't want to be here for whatever reason, he may be made available.

 

[BillR10]

From my perspective I either want a young cost controlled player or a legit 1st line forward. Trading him for a bunch of picks and lower level prospects makes no sense

Then there's nothing to be had here. If there was an actual untouchable list, it's pretty safe to say that Smith would be #2 on that list. As for the pick, I don't think it would be untouchable but it's highly unlikely to be moved unless it's for a RHD, young enough to grow with the core, with top 2 upside and term. So ultimately it's unlikely to be moved

 

[boredmale]

That's why you could see about Eklund being your answer depending on some circumstances. I'd prefer to keep Eklund and sign him long term but if he doesn't want to be here for whatever reason, he may be made available.

I honestly don't know enough about him to say sure, but I always worry about guys on bad teams putting up good stats, if that is sort of a mirage given they getting more ice time then they would on other teams. Given Dobson is just entering his "prime years" I would expect a bit more, I can settle for Engvall not being part of the deal or us having to add extra to dump his contract but I would have a certain level of player in mind that I would expect back, else if we really need to free up cap space I might look at trading Pulock or Pelech or Pageau or just not resigning Palmierri.

 

[boredmale]

Then there's nothing to be had here. If there was an actual untouchable list, it's pretty safe to say that Smith would be #2 on that list. As for the pick, I don't think it would be untouchable but it's highly unlikely to be moved unless it's for a RHD, young enough to grow with the core, with top 2 upside and term. So ultimately it's unlikely to be moved

You do realize that Defensemen take like 3-4 years to hit their stride usually. You basically would get a guy who is still young but entering his prime years. Much better than some 18 year old defenseman who probably will spend 2 years in junior/college before joining your team(at least from an on ice perspective, the younger one gives you some cap relief for those first few years)

 

[Stewie Griffin]

You do realize that Defensemen take like 3-4 years to hit their stride usually. You basically would get a guy who is still young but entering his prime years. Much better than some 18 year old defenseman who probably will spend 2 years in junior/college before joining your team(at least from an on ice perspective, the younger one gives you some cap relief for those first few years)

Dobson might not be old, but he doesn't have much team control left and is due for a huge contract while having a somewhat down year. He's extremely valuable, but not getting some of these pieces you're targetting.

 

[Juxtaposer]

You do realize that Defensemen take like 3-4 years to hit their stride usually. You basically would get a guy who is still young but entering his prime years. Much better than some 18 year old defenseman who probably will spend 2 years in junior/college before joining your team(at least from an on ice perspective, the younger one gives you some cap relief for those first few years)

You do realize Dobson can force his way straight to UFA by selecting arbitration if he is traded and doesn't like his destination. He has nowhere near the value you seem to think he does.

Dobson's value, if he's traded, will be the "B+ prospect plus late 1st plus roster player" package these types of guys always go for. Think Brent Burns and a 2nd for Charlie Coyle, Devin Setoguchi, and 28th overall. Or Timo Meier for Shakir Mukhamadullin, Fabian Zetterlund, and a late 1st.

It's fine if you don't want to move him for that, but you won't get anything close to Will Smith or a top-3 pick for Dobson.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

I honestly don't know enough about him to say sure, but I always worry about guys on bad teams putting up good stats, if that is sort of a mirage given they getting more ice time then they would on other teams. Given Dobson is just entering his "prime years" I would expect a bit more, I can settle for Engvall not being part of the deal or us having to add extra to dump his contract but I would have a certain level of player in mind that I would expect back, else if we really need to free up cap space I might look at trading Pulock or Pelech or Pageau or just not resigning Palmierri.

You may expect a bit more but the trade market value for a guy like Dobson is not a top line player or a top end prospect. I'm sure the Sharks would have interest in taking a dump to reduce the cost of someone like Dobson but the only player that wouldn't likely have the Sharks on their no-trade list is Casey Cizikas since he doesn't have one. Everyone else has a 15 team no-trade list or more and chances are very high anyone with that many teams will include the Sharks on their no-trade.

 

[miscs75]

I wish Peter Engvall was on the islanders instead of his cousin Pierre.

Anyway, no interest in trading Dobson.

I’m going to listen to Butch tonight to see if he calls him Peter on the broadcast.

 

[boredmale]

You do realize Dobson can force his way straight to UFA by selecting arbitration if he is traded and doesn't like his destination. He has nowhere near the value you seem to think he does.

Well I would assume SJ wouldn't do this unless they could negotiate first to see if he is interested

 

[seabass45]

This would have to be for an extended Dobson if it was done. Doesn't make any sense for the Sharks otherwise, whether it's for Smith or someone else.

Engvall is nuclear, I don't know why anyone is attempting to include him in offers for players of actual value. It's either a change-of-scenery swap of crap players, burying him, or buying him out. Not happening any other way.

 

[boredmale]

Engvall is nuclear, I don't know why anyone is attempting to include him in offers for players of actual value. It's either a change-of-scenery swap of crap players, burying him, or buying him out. Not happening any other way.

That would be more a case if it was for the 3rd or 4th pick, I think there is a drop off after 2.

 

[GRANdSharks]

No chance on smith as for the first, I'd be open to swapping it for Dobson (with and extension) if we lose the lottery and Schafer and misa are off the board at draft.

 

[Sendhelplease]

Considering Dobson's disappointing season and his contract status ambiguity I think the Sharks say no to this offer.

edit: Also, considering the friendship between Smith and Celebrini I definitely would not want to trade away Smith and risk upsetting the vibes on the team.

 

[weastern bias]

There is one asset in the Sharks organization that is completely untouchable:

Macklin Celebrini

There are four assets in the Sharks organization that are off the table unless you can completely shock them with an insane value deal:

SJS 2025 1st rounder
Will Smith
Yaroslav Askarov
Sam Dickinson

This deal is not enticing enough to part with one of those assets, not at this moment in time

 

[Juxtaposer]

Well I would assume SJ wouldn't do this unless they could negotiate first to see if he is interested

Even still, it majorly affects Dobson's trade value. Meier's value when the Sharks traded him in a similar situation was depressed because he would only be willing to negotiate a new contract with a couple of teams.

If NYI is looking to hard-launch a rebuild (which they should but won't), a realistic deal is something like Ferraro/Thrun + Musty/Bystedt + Dallas 1st.

 

[Tob]

NYi are trying to get rid of dobson, smartly so. He wont be worth anywhere close to the $9M+ he will get for his good offense but poor defence. Thats two bloated almost instantaneous negative value contracts for a great young player or a high pick, too easy for NYI.

 

[Grinner]

Noah Dobson + Peter Engvall(negative Value) for Will Smith (or SJ's first rounder depending who is left on the board)

Islanders gain cap space plus a cost controlled Center, while SJ gets a young top pairing defensemen for their rebuild

No thanks from this SJ fan