Not this again...again. The Devils and Hucksterbeek's Financial Status

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See we can say this building would have been built with or without the Rock, or we can say that this or that project would have been built without the rock, but facts say that these projects only occured after the Rock was up and running.

I also graduated college since the Rock opened.

Thank you Devils for allowing me to get an education. Without you, I'd be working at McDonalds.

President Obama was elected after the Rock opened.

The Devils obviously played a role in electing the first African American president too!
 
Newark is definitely a nicer place now that the Devils are there, but I don't think it's necessarily related. A lot of Portuguese-Americans have bought the shanties down the road from the Rock and have really improved the value of those homes. It's visibly becoming a Portugese culture and I really wouldn't be surprised to see more of that demographic over the next decade. They're good people.
 
I also graduated college since the Rock opened.

Thank you Devils for allowing me to get an education. Without you, I'd be working at McDonalds.

President Obama was elected after the Rock opened.

The Devils obviously played a role in electing the first African American president too!

I seriously ****ing LOL'd at this.

While it digresses a little bit from the actual, specific topic: I think the NHL needs to reconsider its charitable efforts some as a whole. Everyone knows the NFL has a very strong and visible partnership with the United Way. I think it would be outstanding if they (the league) took it a step further and really put forth a serious effort to not only try and install hockey in these places (which the Devils have actually done an excellent job with) but to also address the fact that when it comes to a lot of these problems, the youth is always the target.

If you look at most gang members, a majority of them found themselves wearing colors by the time they were in middle-school in some places. The only way that is even appealing is when you have no hope and no opportunity and more importantly, no other role models. Will it save a city? No. But a strong, concerted effort to use hockey as a positive outlet for these inner-city kids that is affordable and/or free wouldn't be a half-bad idea, would it? We have some of the nicest, genuinely philanthropic athletes in all of sports when you think about it. However, it's largely disorganized in that everyone does their own thing.

Point being, bringing businesses and fancy **** doesn't help the people struggling, crime and the root therein. Feeding businesses located in a very specific area/perimeter isn't necessarily helping the community at-large, which has also been an issue the city has taken public if I do recall.

It may not work, hell, it might bear very little fruit. But I think that, of any league in sports, the NHL actually tends to have the greatest sense of community. I'd rather see arenas holding events on non-event nights just for the community, investing in local projects even by just advertising it for free and again, maybe opening free clinics for hockey to youth's in these areas (based on income threshold or something).

If any of you ever knew someone who ran with a gang, by the time they're mature enough (literal mental age speaking), almost all of them would tell you that they'd trade it in for just the HOPE of thinking they had an actual chance to do something else. If we (or the league) just invested a bit into these problems in our cities, imagine what that does to promote the product and to also help cities around the country having some SEVERE problems with crime and murder (Chicago, LA, Newark, etc). It's not about the nice stores and the cool bars and restaurants that might not be affordable. Sure these places exist, but they're not even aimed at the locals, they're aimed at tourists. If we want to revitalize Newark as a whole, it needs more than the window-dressing so tourists see it differently. That's a small part of "revitalizing."

I'm not taking away from the Devils on this, I know they actually do run a program. It's just my sentiment in whole. I don't see more than business and businesses only solve so many problems when 1 to 2/3 of a city is impoverished or close to it. All we effectively made was a small area that was predominantly safe to begin with, more attractive that still relies on outsiders to sustain itself. Newark needs more and considering they could have potentially saved our ass from moving or a worse location, we owe it as gratitude. They helped fund this whole endeavor in part.

So to boast or embellish when **** is still as bad as ever, is what I find so egregious. Sorry, I don't believe the hype and JVB was borderline criminal with how he conducted **** with the city sometimes.
 
I also graduated college since the Rock opened.

Thank you Devils for allowing me to get an education. Without you, I'd be working at McDonalds.

President Obama was elected after the Rock opened.

The Devils obviously played a role in electing the first African American president too!

Only problem with your counter example is lack of correlation. There is obvious correlation between a major project in a broken down city and the projects that follow in that city. There is zero correlation between a major project in a broken down city and u going to college.
 
And 666, man I love the energy, but I'm not reading these long azz posts.

And Devils do have hockey in Newark programs. Clarkson played a big role in it.
 
Only problem with your counter example is lack of correlation. There is obvious correlation between a major project in a broken down city and then projects that follow in that city.

That and critical public perception. I don't know why it's all of a sudden become taboo to say the Devils' presence helped Newark just because it's chic to trash JVB on the way out. Maybe Newark would have still improved without the Prudential Center, but it would have taken a LOT longer for many businesses to set up shop there and a lot of the people that spend time and money in the city that have over the last few years wouldn't have had a reason to come to Newark otherwise without the building and the projects it's spawned.
 
According to TG, the situation is progressing fast....
hopefully it works out

The sale has progressed quickly in the last week with Harris and his partners and, though the deal was not “done” yet, no hang-ups were expected to derail their efforts to finally bring an end to the Devils’ ownership saga with an official announcement. Another source said the only thing holding up the completion of the sale is the approval of the NHL’s Board of Governors, which is expected to complete its vote by Thursday
. - See more at: http://blogs.northjersey.com/blogs/...pleted_in_next_two_days/#sthash.gE36W8x6.dpuf
 
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Funny article from Politti: http://www.nj.com/devils/index.ssf/...u_lamoriellos_hands.html#incart_river_default

"I’ve had people tell me, ‘It’s not like you not to be involved with the Devils…" Steinbrenner told the New York Times in 2001, "but it is like me because the Devils are in good hands."

Those hands, of course, belong to general manager Lou Lamoriello. So as billionaire Joshua Harris moves closer to buying the debt-riddled Devils, with a possible deal coming as soon as this week, he should know there are two rules for owning this franchise:

1. Let Lou do his job.

2. If, for any reason, you think Rule No. 1 needs to be broken, stick your head in your office door and slam it shut a few times. The moment will pass.
 
Only problem with your counter example is lack of correlation. There is obvious correlation between a major project in a broken down city and the projects that follow in that city. There is zero correlation between a major project in a broken down city and u going to college.

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I just posted that to prove to you that correlation =/= causality and you respond with that.

Panasonic building has absolutely nothing to do with the Devils. Absolutely nothing. Just like the Devils have absolutely nothing to do with me graduating college.

$$$. That's all. NJ gave them ridiculous tax breaks that even some of its own tried to shoot down to prevent them from leaving.
 
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I just posted that to prove to you that correlation =/= causality and you respond with that.

Panasonic building has absolutely nothing to do with the Devils. Absolutely nothing. Just like the Devils have absolutely nothing to do with me graduating college.

$$$. That's all. NJ gave them ridiculous tax breaks that even some of its own tried to shoot down to prevent them from leaving.

Your example provided zero correlation and thus suggested zero causality, where as in Newark the strong correlation suggests at least some causaltiy.


Panasonic's North American CEO Joe Taylor: "Just moving 1,000 people into the city overnight could create delicatessens, dry cleaners, and a whole infrastructure that would convince other companies to take a chance on this place as well."
 
Your example provided zero correlation and thus suggested zero causality, where as in Newark the strong correlation suggests at least some causaltiy.


Panasonic's North American CEO Joe Taylor: "Just moving 1,000 people into the city overnight could create delicatessens, dry cleaners, and a whole infrastructure that would convince other companies to take a chance on this place as well."

Zero correlation? You used the correlation of the event happening after the Devils moved to Newark.. that's the same correlation I'm using.

Seriously.. "strong correlation suggests at least some causality".. really? I'm going to wager you haven't taken a statistics course or anything of the like.

And that quote indicates that the Devils had an effect on Panasonic moving here.. how again?

Cause even I'm having trouble connecting the dots on that one.
 
Panasonic's North American CEO Joe Taylor: "Just moving 1,000 people into the city overnight could create delicatessens, dry cleaners, and a whole infrastructure that would convince other companies to take a chance on this place as well."

No? Don't see the relevance?

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Definition of CORRELATION
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: the state or relation of being correlated; specifically : a relation existing between phenomena or things or between mathematical or statistical variables which tend to vary, be associated, or occur together in a way not expected on the basis of chance alone.
 
Sports Illustrated just put up an article that, while informative, unfortunately trots out the typical "Devils have no fans" myth. As an added bonus they used an empty stands photo that I am relatively confident was taken before a game as people are clearly standing up and milling around. What a load of nonsense.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/nhl/news/20130813/new-jersey-devils-sale/

LOL, it's from last season, where they operated at 97%, and people wonder why I never take these articles seriously
 
Sports Illustrated just put up an article that, while informative, unfortunately trots out the typical "Devils have no fans" myth. As an added bonus they used an empty stands photo that I am relatively confident was taken before a game as people are clearly standing up and milling around. What a load of nonsense.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/nhl/news/20130813/new-jersey-devils-sale/

As soon as I saw that picture, I lost all interest in reading the article.
 
I think JVB's biggest issue was that he was an actual fan that bought his team. I am hoping since Joshua Harris is a businessman who is , as far as we know, not an open fan of the Devils will bring a new fresh Devils fan experience.
 
I think JVB's biggest issue was that he was an actual fan that bought his team. I am hoping since Joshua Harris is a businessman who is , as far as we know, not an open fan of the Devils will bring a new fresh Devils fan experience.

That's not his biggest issue. That's his most redeeming quality.

His biggest issue is that the guy he co-owned the team with quit and he can't afford the operation by himself. I would love for him to own the controlling share of this team, but I don't think that's going to happen.
 
That's not his biggest issue. That's his most redeeming quality.

His biggest issue is that the guy he co-owned the team with quit and he can't afford the operation by himself. I would love for him to own the controlling share of this team, but I don't think that's going to happen.

Agree.

Though imo his biggest issue is the collapse depleting his personal funds. Chambers bailing is big as well, though I would assume that was in the original plans.
 
Panasonic's North American CEO Joe Taylor: "Just moving 1,000 people into the city overnight could create delicatessens, dry cleaners, and a whole infrastructure that would convince other companies to take a chance on this place as well."

No? Don't see the relevance?

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Definition of CORRELATION
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: the state or relation of being correlated; specifically : a relation existing between phenomena or things or between mathematical or statistical variables which tend to vary, be associated, or occur together in a way not expected on the basis of chance alone.

No, I don't see the relevance at all. Please explain it to me. I thought we were talking about the Devils effect on Panasonic moving to Newark, not Panasonic's effect on future companies moving to Newark..

And are you seriously going to try to argue that correlation equals causality? seriously?

I like how we've upgraded the fact that Panasonic moved into Newark to a strong correlation though. Not so sure why its strong when the only connection between the two is a timeline that can be manipulated to fit either narrative.
 
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