Non-Sharks NorCal Sports Thread XXVI

[SJSharksfan39]

I think I've come to the point where if there is a good hockey game on featuring either the Panthers, Canes, Sharks, Ducks, or Kings, I will watch the hockey game over the 49ers. This football team is so unwatchable. It's one thing to suck, but they are so boring about it. I heard they only had one pass over 20 yards today. That is unacceptable.

 

[Grave]

I wonder who they will draft 1st overall, I doubt they take Deshaun Watson.

 

[SJSharksfan39]

I wonder who they will draft 1st overall, I doubt they take Deshaun Watson.

They might have the second pick because Cleveland might be equally bad if not worse.

 

[Grave]

They might have the second pick because Cleveland might be equally bad if not worse.

Id say just.because of the run defense the 49ers are worse but it likely wont matter, looking at the players in the draft its heavily defense orientated.

 

[hohosaregood]

Myles Garrett yo...just cuz I'm here.

 

[sjsharks92]

This is not looking like a very good draft. Myles Garrett is probably the best option but we've picked up DE's in the first round 2 straight years. Maybe they could convert him to an OLB.

 

[DrFeelgood]

I wonder who they will draft 1st overall, I doubt they take Deshaun Watson.

Really hope they don't go for a QB. This team has so many needs all over the place that throwing a new QB to the wolves won't do them any good. It would be Alex Smith 2.0 (pre-Harbaugh).

I hope they go ILB or WR early on, also wouldn't be upset with an OL pick since our QBs are running for their lives every Sunday. Either way, build the team up first and then grab a QB where you can put him in a position to succeed.

Unless some sure fire, no doubter franchise QB is available at our pick. Then that's a different story but I haven't seen anything like that out of the QBs that appear to be coming out for the draft this year such as Watson.

 

[DonskoiDonscored]

Just ask the Browns who they're taking and then steer way clear of that player.

 

[Grave]

Really hope they don't go for a QB. This team has so many needs all over the place that throwing a new QB to the wolves won't do them any good. It would be Alex Smith 2.0 (pre-Harbaugh).

I hope they go ILB or WR early on, also wouldn't be upset with an OL pick since our QBs are running for their lives every Sunday. Either way, build the team up first and then grab a QB where you can put him in a position to succeed.

Unless some sure fire, no doubter franchise QB is available at our pick. Then that's a different story but I haven't seen anything like that out of the QBs that appear to be coming out for the draft this year such as Watson.

Corey Davis is probably the best offensive player in the top 10 atm hes ranked pretty well by pro football focus.



It seems like if they want to take a OL or LB they should trade down because their aint **** there. But its college so that could very well change.

When it comes to game changing QBs we will have to wait for Lamar Jackson

 

[sjsharks92]

Corey Davis is probably the best offensive player in the top 10 atm hes ranked pretty well by pro football focus.



It seems like if they want to take a OL or LB they should trade down because their aint **** there. But its college so that could very well change.

When it comes to game changing QBs we will have to wait for Lamar Jackson

Lamar Jackson will not be a successful NFL QB. I wouldn't even be surprised to see him asked to play WR or even RB at the NFL level.

As far as QBs go this draft class is shaking out to be very weak.

It's a defensive heavy class again and that's ok as the Niners have needs all over the place on that side of the ball. I'd target a CB ideally.

 

[Grave]

Lamar Jackson will not be a successful NFL QB. I wouldn't even be surprised to see him asked to play WR or even RB at the NFL level.

As far as QBs go this draft class is shaking out to be very weak.

It's a defensive heavy class again and that's ok as the Niners have needs all over the place on that side of the ball. I'd target a CB ideally.

I doubt Lamar Jackson will be successful either, but I'd still like him to be the 49ers Steve Young reincarnate.

I'd also be fine with a CB, especially with how all the CBs seem to have some absurd issue with staying healthy. The only problem with that is, I think in terms of upside the 49ers secondary has the second to largest amount. (Hard to bet against Armstead and Buckner)

 

[sjsharks92]

I doubt Lamar Jackson will be successful either, but I'd still like him to be the 49ers Steve Young reincarnate.

I'd also be fine with a CB, especially with how all the CBs seem to have some absurd issue with staying healthy. The only problem with that is, I think in terms of upside the 49ers secondary has the second to largest amount. (Hard to bet against Armstead and Buckner)

The Niners secondary does have some potential but I don't see any of the guys we have as being viable No.1 corners. Maybe if Rashard Robinson develops well he could be a solid No.2 but even then I don't know that we have any strong CB prospects.

Obviously our glaring need is at linebacker, particularly interior, but all things considered the Niners need help everywhere. I like Buckner, but I'm still not sold on Armstead.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

With the Niners, it's BPA. They need help everywhere. Even the places they're getting solid play from which is really only the offensive line, they can use more talent there too for the inevitable departure of some guys like Staley in the coming years. But that area would probably have the least importance right now for high picks. They can absolutely use talent at pretty much every position and it'd be tough to screw up 2nd overall if that's where they end up. But I would very much consider trading back depending on the type of picks that would be thrown their way for their high pick. It also wouldn't be the worst thing to do to pick someone like Kizer or Trubisky and let them ride the pine next year while Kap finishes out his contract. Ideally though, it's not Baalke making those decisions and it's not Kelly coaching the team. lol

 

[sjsharks92]

With the Niners, it's BPA. They need help everywhere. Even the places they're getting solid play from which is really only the offensive line, they can use more talent there too for the inevitable departure of some guys like Staley in the coming years. But that area would probably have the least importance right now for high picks. They can absolutely use talent at pretty much every position and it'd be tough to screw up 2nd overall if that's where they end up. But I would very much consider trading back depending on the type of picks that would be thrown their way for their high pick. It also wouldn't be the worst thing to do to pick someone like Kizer or Trubisky and let them ride the pine next year while Kap finishes out his contract. Ideally though, it's not Baalke making those decisions and it's not Kelly coaching the team. lol

Pretty much this.

If there were an elite tackle prospect available I'd absolutely take him. Staley might not be on this team as soon as next week (though I doubt that as Baalke is still sadly in charge), even if he is, I doubt he's a Niner at the start of next season.

Trading back is not a bad idea either. It would be smart to stockpile picks using our #1 as a trade chip. We have so many needs it would be better to pick up a few extra picks to try and fill those needs. Although if Baalke is drafting I have little faith those picks will be put to any good.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

Pretty much this.

If there were an elite tackle prospect available I'd absolutely take him. Staley might not be on this team as soon as next week (though I doubt that as Baalke is still sadly in charge), even if he is, I doubt he's a Niner at the start of next season.

Trading back is not a bad idea either. It would be smart to stockpile picks using our #1 as a trade chip. We have so many needs it would be better to pick up a few extra picks to try and fill those needs. Although if Baalke is drafting I have little faith those picks will be put to any good.

If the team trades back and gets into a position where they could end up taking Cam Robinson, I wouldn't be against that but obviously they will have plenty of talent options with wherever their pick ends up. If they don't trade back, I would be fine with Myles Garrett being picked. But yeah, I'd be more for getting more picks and using them because they need receivers, they need talent at tight end, they need more on the defensive line, they need secondary help, and they're going to need high end talent at linebacker with Willis gone and Bowman pretty much done as a high end player. They have solid depth at linebacker but they're depth players and not playmakers.

 

[sjsharks92]

If the team trades back and gets into a position where they could end up taking Cam Robinson, I wouldn't be against that but obviously they will have plenty of talent options with wherever their pick ends up. If they don't trade back, I would be fine with Myles Garrett being picked. But yeah, I'd be more for getting more picks and using them because they need receivers, they need talent at tight end, they need more on the defensive line, they need secondary help, and they're going to need high end talent at linebacker with Willis gone and Bowman pretty much done as a high end player. They have solid depth at linebacker but they're depth players and not playmakers.

We definitely need help at linebacker. Lynch clearly isn't the pass-rusher we thought he could be and Bellore misses assignments routinely. The reason we're giving up over 240 yards to guys like Jacquizz Rodgers and Peyton Barber is because we don't have anybody who can fill lanes and wrap up on tackles.

Fortunately MLB is usually a position that can be addressed later in the draft (I really wanted the Niners to snag Blake Martinez last season who is now starting MLB for the Packers. He went in the 4th round).

Trading back is probably a good call to get a few more picks in the first half of the draft.

 

[DrFeelgood]

Ideally though, it's not Baalke making those decisions and it's not Kelly coaching the team.

Agree with you on Baalke but not on Kelly. Firing him after one season after what just happened with only one season of Tomsula and the shenanigans with Harbaugh, it would be tough to get any high caliber coaches to come here without giving them a truckload of money and power.

I also don't think Kelly has had anything to work with roster wise, so it's tough to judge his performance.

 

[sjsharks92]

Agree with you on Baalke but not on Kelly. Firing him after one season after what just happened with only one season of Tomsula and the shenanigans with Harbaugh, it would be tough to get any high caliber coaches to come here without giving them a truckload of money and power.

I also don't think Kelly has had anything to work with roster wise, so it's tough to judge his performance.

I agree. You've got to give Kelly time. I'm not saying I'm confident that he is the guy to solve our problems, but you cant just fire him because he couldn't turn this group of nobodies into a contender over night.

And as DrFeelgood stated, firing a second coach in 2 years looks bad to other coaches. We'd have no chance of signing any coach worth a thing.

Let Kelly draft (I'd rather have him do it than Baalke), give him some time to implement his new players and develop them. If after 3-4 years he still hasn't gotten us into the playoffs, then I'd say it's appropriate to fire him.

 

[Hobocop]

Let Kelly draft (I'd rather have him do it than Baalke)

That sounds like a horrible idea too, considering Kelly's draft history might arguably be worse than Baalke's.

People can keep talking about how the Niners can reload certain positions in the draft, but Baalke's drafting is horrible, and it's the reason the roster is where it is.. The #1 position that needs to be upgraded is GM.

 

[sjsharks92]

That sounds like a horrible idea too, considering Kelly's draft history might arguably be worse than Baalke's.

People can keep talking about how the Niners can reload certain positions in the draft, but Baalke's drafting is horrible, and it's the reason the roster is where it is.. The #1 position that needs to be upgraded is GM.

Kelly's draft history is not strong, but nobody has been worse than Baalke the last 4-5 seasons. If we get a new GM, I'm completely fine with giving that GM more power in the draft room. But if it's between Baalke or Kelly, I'm going with Kelly. That's all I was saying.

 

[sjsharks92]

http://www.espn.com/blog/san-franci...e-have-easily-the-best-team-in-our-conference

This is almost insulting to the fans how misguided and ridiculous this is.

 

[DrFeelgood]

http://www.espn.com/blog/san-franci...e-have-easily-the-best-team-in-our-conference

This is almost insulting to the fans how misguided and ridiculous this is.

Well at least he's not just ******** all over the team, even though they kinda deserve that treatment. Though he is incredibly naive if he really thinks the Niners are the best team in the conference.

 

[sjsharks92]

Well at least he's not just ******** all over the team, even though they kinda deserve that treatment. Though he is incredibly naive if he really thinks the Niners are the best team in the conference.

I'd never expect a player to say "we suck and are clearly the worst team in the conference". But I think he took this about 3 steps too far.

 

[Hobocop]

Kelly's draft history is not strong, but nobody has been worse than Baalke the last 4-5 seasons. If we get a new GM, I'm completely fine with giving that GM more power in the draft room. But if it's between Baalke or Kelly, I'm going with Kelly. That's all I was saying.

His history is not strong though, and all the more reason not to put this in his hands.

We're both in agreement, we need someone else drafting. And it shouldn't be anyone in-house right now. They should be able to find someone who knows how to build a team. It's definitely not Baalke.

But do I have faith in this organization doing that? No, no I don't. And that's why this has become so depressing.

 

[sjsharks92]

His history is not strong though, and all the more reason not to put this in his hands.

We're both in agreement, we need someone else drafting. And it shouldn't be anyone in-house right now. They should be able to find someone who knows how to build a team. It's definitely not Baalke.

But do I have faith in this organization doing that? No, no I don't. And that's why this has become so depressing.

Yes the lack of leadership from top-down is what makes this a mute discussion. Again, I don't believe Kelly has the ability to be a strong drafter but I would take him over Baalke for as little as that means.

Ideally our GM next season will be anyone but Baalke. But what are the odds that York will be able to find and hire someone valuable? And beyond that, what are the odds that a valuable GM would want to come work for York and this dumpster fire of an organization?