Non-Sharks Bay Area Sports Thread XXVIII

[Bizz]

"People should never suffer consequences for their actions"

"People should suffer eternally for their simple mistakes"

 

[Pavelski2112]

"People should suffer eternally for their simple mistakes"

I agree with that, but getting fired from one job isn't an eternal punishment. I'd probably get fired if I used a slur at my job too.

 

[Bizz]

I agree with that, but getting fired from one job isn't an eternal punishment. I'd probably get fired if I used a slur at my job too.

Separating a person from their livelihood, especially one where they very likely spent a good chunk of their life honing their craft at, is very much eternal punishment.

He wasn't some wagie working at Walmart here.

 

[Church Hill]

We live in a culture where a 60 year old man without an ounce of moral failure in his public career loses his livelihood because his lips and tongue didn't work in flawless concert for one tenth of a second.

Those of you who support this, just know the mob will come for you too, and I'll still defend your ignorant, grandstanding, virtue signaling turkey asses.

 

[Pavelski2112]

We live in a culture where a 60 year old man without an ounce of moral failure in his public career loses his livelihood because his lips and tongue didn't work in flawless concert for one tenth of a second.

Those of you who support this, just know the mob will come for you too, and I'll still defend your ignorant, grandstanding, virtue signaling turkey asses.

> Using culture war buzzwords

I'm begging you to please go touch grass

Separating a person from their livelihood, especially one where they very likely spent a good chunk of their life honing their craft at, is very much eternal punishment.

He wasn't some wagie working at Walmart here.

He'll find another job, I guarantee it. If a guy like Louie CK could keep getting work, I'm sure Glen Kuiper will.

 

[Church Hill]

> Using culture war buzzwords

I'm begging you to please go touch grass

You used three "buzzwords" in your critique, please #dobetter

 

[Pavelski2112]

You used three "buzzwords" in your critique, please #dobetter

Ok man, I'm sure complaining about people you think are Marxists and woke teenagers will fix the world. Keep on keeping on.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

Separating a person from their livelihood, especially one where they very likely spent a good chunk of their life honing their craft at, is very much eternal punishment.

He wasn't some wagie working at Walmart here.

If any wagie used a racial slur at work that was documented, they would be canned too. Even accidents get punishments. You're asking Glen Kuiper to be treated as if he was special when he's not. Kuiper can find himself another job very easily. He's a known commodity within baseball and if nobody in baseball wants him, he can get a job at Walmart because you don't need special qualifications to work there.

 

[DG93]

"People should suffer eternally for their simple mistakes"

Lol at saying the N-word being a simple mistake...that doesn't come out by mistake unless it's a part of your vocabulary.

 

[Bizz]

Lol at saying the N-word being a simple mistake...that doesn't come out by mistake unless it's a part of your vocabulary.

Prove it.

 

[Pavelski2112]

Prove it.

To give you the benefit of the doubt, what is the proper response to this situation?

 

[Bizz]

To give you the benefit of the doubt, what is the proper response to this situation?

Backing it up with accredited study from a licensed Psychologist with an ample amount of politically neutral peer reviews, for starters.

 

[Pavelski2112]

Backing it up with accredited claims from a licensed Psychologist with an ample amount of poltiically neutral peer reviews, for starters.

No, I mean what consequences should he receive, if any?

And politically neutral is a myth, I'm sorry to say.

 

[Bizz]

No, I mean what consequences should he receive, if any?

And politically neutral is a myth, I'm sorry to say.

A warning and an acceptance of his apology would've been the proper response.

 

[Pavelski2112]

A warning and an acceptance of his apology would've been the proper response.

I'll say this at the very least - I do agree that part of the response is definitely to try to make the org look better, because anything like this is a PR nightmare and running a business is all about trying to make as much money as possible rather than actually rectifying any real cultural problems.

That said, it's definitely not a good look for someone as a person to have that slip out, mistake or not. Most people aren't on the edge of saying the N-word everyday.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

Backing it up with accredited study from a licensed Psychologist with an ample amount of politically neutral peer reviews, for starters.

The politically neutral part is impossible to legitimately achieve in the first place.

 

[Bizz]

The politically neutral part is impossible to legitimately achieve in the first place.

I'd rather have political neutrality be something people strove for instead of the garbage we're seeing now.

 

[Pavelski2112]

I'd rather have political neutrality be something people strove for instead of the garbage we're seeing now.

The problem is that neutral is going to mean different things to different people and everyone has certain material conditions that color their view of the world.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

I'd rather have political neutrality be something people strove for instead of the garbage we're seeing now.

That's a literally insane position to take. That line of thinking would mean that the politically neutral position from insane genocidal policies and sane non-violent policies is half-crazy allow for murder policies. Neutrality doesn't mean anything without defined endpoints. Political neutrality is also an incoherent concept because of that.

 

[WTFetus]

Backing it up with accredited study from a licensed Psychologist with an ample amount of politically neutral peer reviews, for starters.

You do realize that the concept of parapraxis has already been around for over a century with little debate, right? The more you're exposed to a word and the more you say it, the more likely you are to say it accidentally.

 

[Church Hill]

Lol at saying the N-word being a simple mistake...that doesn't come out by mistake unless it's a part of your vocabulary.

You do realize that the concept of parapraxis has already been around for over a century with little debate, right? The more you're exposed to a word and the more you say it, the more likely you are to say it accidentally.

There's an MLB player, for the Giants, named "Mitch Haniger", pronounced as you fear. So your presumptive condemnations are unfounded in light of the simple observation that Kuiper is a baseball announcer and his verbal slip is in the name of a player. Watch the clip, if you dare...

Pretending like you are an expert in some phonetic-psychology branch of human knowledge and leveraging that to justify your moral appraisal of another human being is unconscious and insane.

 

[WTFetus]

There's an MLB player, for the Giants, named "Mitch Haniger", pronounced as you fear. So your presumptive condemnations are unfounded in light of the simple observation that Kuiper is a baseball announcer and his verbal slip is in the name of a player. Watch the clip, if you dare...

Pretending like you are an expert in some phonetic-psychology branch of human knowledge and leveraging that to justify your moral appraisal of another human being is unconscious and insane.

What a stretch.
That's not even close and shows that you don't know anything regarding psychology and parapraxis. Did Kuiper say Haniger League? No. The two are nothing alike and trying to associate that with parapraxis is nonsensical.

 

[Quid Pro Clowe]

Lol at saying the N-word being a simple mistake...that doesn't come out by mistake unless it's a part of your vocabulary.

It’s called the Negro league, which is a similar word to the N word. I would bet a guy who’s by all accounts never had a single bad word said about him just made a bad mistake.



Family guy joked about this years ago. When you try hard not to say something, you can end up saying it since it’s in your head.

 

[landshark]

I blame rap music!

 

[DG93]

It’s called the Negro league, which is a similar word to the N word. I would bet a guy who’s by all accounts never had a single bad word said about him just made a bad mistake.



Family guy joked about this years ago. When you try hard not to say something, you can end up saying it since it’s in your head.

Maybe, or it could parapraxis like WTFetus said above...

We don't know everything that's gone on...if they fired him for just this one awful mistake, then you could argue that's harsh. If they looked into it more and found other concerning incidents, then it was warranted. None of us know what that investigation produced, but down-playing that as a "simple mistake" is also wrong.