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OT: Non-Hockey Sports Thread XI - Defense? Who Needs Defense?! (Wade Wilson Memorial Edition)

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MuckOG said:
Different positions, but seems cut from the mold of John Randle. Undersized with a monster motor.
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I'll wait until the regular season to even approach that comparison.
It's not like earning a starting LB position was all that hard here. We aren't exactly overflowing with talent there ATM.

I hope he can carry this through and perform well when it counts.
 
TaLoN said:
I'll wait until the regular season to even approach that comparison.
It's not like earning a starting LB position was all that hard here. We aren't exactly overflowing with talent there ATM.

I hope he can carry this through and perform well when it counts.
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Not saying that he will have the career of John Randle...just pointing out that they were both UDFA, smaller than the typical player at their position, but play "larger" than their size. That's it.
 
MuckOG said:
Not saying that he will have the career of John Randle...just pointing out that they were both UDFA, smaller than the typical player at their position, but play "larger" than their size. That's it.
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He might, he might not... he played 1 preseason game, against backups.
 
Prior to Troy Dye picking off that pass, our D was looking brutal at every level. So many 3 and outs for the titans due to dropped passes more than anything else.

No pressure from the line, LBs getting out muscled, secondary unable to cover a pylon with a wet blanket.
 
Mullens is a very uninspiring backup QB. Better than Manion ever was, but still not good enough. We need Hall to succeed in development to elevate the position.

Either way, I'm drafting another QB next season.
 
TaLoN said:
Mullens is a very uninspiring backup QB. Better than Manion ever was, but still not good enough. We need Hall to succeed in development to elevate the position.

Either way, I'm drafting another QB next season.
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Keep drafting them until you hit on one.
 
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I like that Sean Clifford guy at backup QB for Green Bay. He would probably do pretty well as a starter in a few years for another team.
 
Anything more than a 6th or 7th for Lance and id pass with ease.

Saw a stat somewhere but cant find it so im paraphrasing a bit but it was something along the lines that TB12 threw more passes last year alone then Trey Lance has combined between HS, college and the NFL.
 
Sad People said:
Anything more than a 6th or 7th for Lance and id pass with ease.

Saw a stat somewhere but cant find it so im paraphrasing a bit but it was something along the lines that TB12 threw more passes last year alone then Trey Lance has combined between HS, college and the NFL.
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Yeah he allegedly has only thrown 492 passes. Take a flyer on the kid and work on his throwing. Who knows what could happen. If it’s a 6th round pick it’s not much to cry about.

Now the real question is how do we get Taylor for less than a 1st?
 
DeagleJenkins said:
Yeah he allegedly has only thrown 492 passes. Take a flyer on the kid and work on his throwing. Who knows what could happen. If it’s a 6th round pick it’s not much to cry about.

Now the real question is how do we get Taylor for less than a 1st?
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I dont really see us in the market for JT. Hes gotta be paid which means expensive and we just got rid of an expensive RB. I dont see KAM being one of the GMs thats willing to invest a lot of cap into the RB position with his background in analytics and its also just the smart thing to do in todays NFL.
 
JT playing for Minnesota would be an “ick” that I don’t see happening. Trey Lance seems like the perfect “take a flyer and see what happens” type move that I think could be good for Minnesota.
 
Digitalbooya said:
JT playing for Minnesota would be an “ick” that I don’t see happening. Trey Lance seems like the perfect “take a flyer and see what happens” type move that I think could be good for Minnesota.
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Concerns me greatly that Lance couldn't even beat out Sam Darnold for the back-up position...also shows how little faith that SF has in him, even considering how much capital they spent moving up to draft him. If he even showed some flashes of potential, you would think they wouldn't be trying to move him.
 
People are speculating a pick swap and a defensive player for Lance and a pick if thats the deal thats a hard and easy pass for me.
 
MuckOG said:
Concerns me greatly that Lance couldn't even beat out Sam Darnold for the back-up position...also shows how little faith that SF has in him, even considering how much capital they spent moving up to draft him. If he even showed some flashes of potential, you would think they wouldn't be trying to move him.
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Keep in mind, they have first hand knowledge of how good Purdy is. I don't think they'd try "too hard" if they believe in Purdy at this point.

It's not like they'd expect him to take over. That said, I was never a believer in Lance myself either.
 
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MuckOG said:
Concerns me greatly that Lance couldn't even beat out Sam Darnold for the back-up position...also shows how little faith that SF has in him, even considering how much capital they spent moving up to draft him. If he even showed some flashes of potential, you would think they wouldn't be trying to move him.
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Meh, they’ve got a good QB room and that’s why he’s available (supposedly).
 
Digitalbooya said:
Meh, they’ve got a good QB room and that’s why he’s available (supposedly).
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Still, SF gave up multiple round picks to select him, and he couldn't beat out Sam Darnold for the back-up job. With that amount of draft capital invested in him, you would think they would want to keep him around with the hopes he could develop into something. The fact that they cut bait with him so soon, tells us something.

I wouldn't have an issue sending them a 6th or 7th round pick and see what KOC can do with him....but I wouldn't get my hopes up that he can turn into anything special.

And regarding Brock Purdy...yes, he looked good last season. But he won't be sneaking up on any teams this year. Let's see how he performs now that opponents have some tape to game plan against him.
 
MuckOG said:
Still, SF gave up multiple round picks to select him, and he couldn't beat out Sam Darnold for the back-up job. With that amount of draft capital invested in him, you would think they would want to keep him around with the hopes he could develop into something. The fact that they cut bait with him so soon, tells us something.

I wouldn't have an issue sending them a 6th or 7th round pick and see what KOC can do with him....but I wouldn't get my hopes up that he can turn into anything special.

And regarding Brock Purdy...yes, he looked good last season. But he won't be sneaking up on any teams this year. Let's see how he performs now that opponents have some tape to game plan against him.
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Well I wouldn’t want him to be a special player for Minnesota. But if he goes elsewhere, then I hope he gets a legit chance.
 
MuckOG said:
Still, SF gave up multiple round picks to select him, and he couldn't beat out Sam Darnold for the back-up job.
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What they gave up for him at this point in his career, and if they truly believe in Purdy... is completely irrelevant at this point IMO. If they didn't believe in Purdy? They'd care a lot more.

MuckOG said:
And regarding Brock Purdy...yes, he looked good last season. But he won't be sneaking up on any teams this year. Let's see how he performs now that opponents have some tape to game plan against him.
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Again, they have first hand knowledge of Purdy that nobody else has at this point. They seem to be believers.
 
TaLoN said:
What they gave up for him at this point in his career, and if they truly believe in Purdy... is completely irrelevant at this point IMO. If they didn't believe in Purdy? They'd care a lot more.
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I disagree. Teams in any sport are going to go the extra mile to develop players that they invest draft picks in, especially players that they spend multiple 1st round picks on, regardless if they feel like they uncovered a diamond in the rough in a different player. It's almost unheard for a team to give up on a guy that they invested so much into...unless they see that there is just no hope in turning that guy into a player.

The fact that they are so quick to get rid of Lance, just sends red flags up for me.

Regarding Purdy, like I said before, let's wait and see. The history of the NFL is littered with "flash in a pan" players who had a one great season and couldn't follow-up.
 
MuckOG said:
I disagree. Teams in any sport are going to go the extra mile to develop players that they invest draft picks in, especially players that they spend multiple 1st round picks on, regardless if they feel like they uncovered a diamond in the rough in a different player. It's almost unheard for a team to give up on a guy that they invested so much into...unless they see that there is just no hope in turning that guy into a player.

The fact that they are so quick to get rid of Lance, just sends red flags up for me.

Regarding Purdy, like I said before, let's wait and see. The history of the NFL is littered with "flash in a pan" players who had a one great season and couldn't follow-up.
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This is his 3rd year. I don't think that's "fast" by NFL standards. By NFL standards. if you find someone else you believe in during that time, it's been common for teams to cut bait and go with who they do believe in.

I'm not commenting one way or another on Purdy myself, I'm commenting on the fact that San Fran appears to be believers in Purdy. despite yours or anyone else's cautions. They are the only team with first hand knowledge of him in every aspect is all I'm saying. No other team and especially neither you or I are even close on those terms.
 
TaLoN said:
This is his 3rd year. I don't think that's "fast" by NFL standards. By NFL standards. if you find someone else you believe in during that time, it's been common for teams to cut bait and go with who they do believe in.

I'm not commenting one way or another on Purdy myself, I'm commenting on the fact that San Fran appears to be believers in Purdy. despite yours or anyone else's cautions. They are the only team with first hand knowledge of him in every aspect is all I'm saying. No other team and especially neither you or I are even close on those terms.
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He started only 4 games.

I'm not defending Trey Lance. My point is that he must be terrible if they are willing to cut bait so quickly after using all those draft picks on him. Name another team that spent multiple 1st round picks on a player and the decided to move on from them after starting only 4 games. This reflects poorly not only on Lance, as a player, but also on the Niners and their college scouting.

I mean, he couldn't even beat out Sam Freakin' Darnold for the #2 job. A guy who's highest QBR is 48.5.
 
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