OT: Non-Hockey Sports Thread XI - Defense? Who Needs Defense?! (Wade Wilson Memorial Edition)

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Agreed. But, Robin Lod is one of his best buddies and they've got tremendous chemistry in NT. I assume that weighs heavily in his decision. He's been quite open about wanting a good place for him and his family; this is most likely his last contract abroad.
Yeah, but IMO he's still good enough to be in the Premier League, at least as an alternate striker. MLS is a far cry in quality, and, I'd assume, $$ from that. Then there's all the other leagues that are better than MLS.... at least 5 or 6, I think.
 

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Watching Loons taking on Austin. Pukki's not starting, as perhaps expected given jet lag, lack of sharpness, and whatnot. Thoughts at half an hour in: Y'all need him. Y'all need him so bad. Reynoso is an excellent creator and he already has connection with Lod who's injured, but Garcia couldn't finish even if someone handed him Mortal Kombat and a book of cheat codes.
 

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Watching Loons taking on Austin. Pukki's not starting, as perhaps expected given jet lag, lack of sharpness, and whatnot. Thoughts at half an hour in: Y'all need him. Y'all need him so bad. Reynoso is an excellent creator and he already has connection with Lod who's injured, but Garcia couldn't finish even if someone handed him Mortal Kombat and a book of cheat codes.
He'll be a real asset if they give him the ball in the right places. He's not some big, hold up striker, or one that you cross balls in to from a static setup. More of a guy who will find spaces for runs in between defenders, and make the most of them. He will need at least one guy who understands that, and is adept at sliding the ball up to him.
Didn't realize he was 33 yo. Still played with a lot of energy last time i saw him.
 

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Fewest hits for the Twins pre All Star break since 1981.
And the hitting coach isn't fired yet
Fire every coach including and starting with, Rocco. Best pitching staff we've had since who TF knows when, and we're getting nothing out of this roster. The absurdity of Rocco to continuing to stroll out Kepler every day when Matt Wallner is raking AAA and raked MLB in short stint here is ridiculous, and I am all but certain that when Polanco is back, he will find a way to bury Julien who now leads the team in OPS (aside from Wallner.)

They're getting nothing out of this roster and it should walk away with this division but is doing the opposite.
 

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Fire every coach including and starting with, Rocco. Best pitching staff we've had since who TF knows when, and we're getting nothing out of this roster. The absurdity of Rocco to continuing to stroll out Kepler every day when Matt Wallner is raking AAA and raked MLB in short stint here is ridiculous, and I am all but certain that when Polanco is back, he will find a way to bury Julien who now leads the team in OPS (aside from Wallner.)

They're getting nothing out of this roster and it should walk away with this division but is doing the opposite.

How much of this is on Falvey? Isnt he responsible for most roster decisions?
 
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How much of this is on Falvey? Isnt he responsible for most roster decisions?
Good question, and I am not sure where that line is drawn for whose making those decisions but if Rocco is being forced to start Kepler and friends, then there is another big part of the problem. I for one, think the front office did their job when it comes to building a team that can compete. On paper, we should be 10+ up in the central with this pitching staff, but we're 1/2 game out and < .500

This is the best team ERA we've had in well over a decade, top 5 in the league, and meanwhile we are underperforming everywhere else. Why?
 
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Didn't see a Twins specific thread - however, tonight starts the second half of a very important string of important games against the worst of the worst.
 

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I’ll never be one to follow baseball closely until they tie some sort of salary cap ceiling/floor into the league. They’ve got several $200M+ teams and then you’ve got a number of teams with under $50M in roster payroll. Just a crap league.
 

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I’ll never be one to follow baseball closely until they tie some sort of salary cap ceiling/floor into the league. They’ve got several $200M+ teams and then you’ve got a number of teams with under $50M in roster payroll. Just a crap league.

The Savanna Bananas are one of the best shows around for baseball. It's like baseball and Calvinball had a lovechild.
 
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I’ll never be one to follow baseball closely until they tie some sort of salary cap ceiling/floor into the league. They’ve got several $200M+ teams and then you’ve got a number of teams with under $50M in roster payroll. Just a crap league.
I guess.

The Atlanta Braves are the best team in baseball, and have the 7th highest payroll.

TB is also one of the best teams in baseball, with the 27th highest payroll.

Both of those teams led their division, and the other division leaders and their payroll is...

Twins (18th in league in payroll)
Rangers (8th)
Rays (already mentioned)

Braves (already mentioned)
Brewers(20th) and Reads (25th)
Dodgers (17th in payroll)

So that just shows that really isn't not as bad as one may think.
 

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I guess.

The Atlanta Braves are the best team in baseball, and have the 7th highest payroll.

TB is also one of the best teams in baseball, with the 27th highest payroll.

Both of those teams led their division, and the other division leaders and their payroll is...

Twins (18th in league in payroll)
Rangers (8th)
Rays (already mentioned)

Braves (already mentioned)
Brewers(20th) and Reads (25th)
Dodgers (17th in payroll)

So that just shows that really isn't not as bad as one may think.
Just cause there are outliers doesn't change my opinion that the league should be on more of an equal footing. Every other major sport (NFL, NBA, NHL) has some semblance of a cap ceiling/floor.

My team is the Brewers. They have been really good at developing and getting bargain deals because they are at a significant disadvantage to teams like the Yankees, Dodgers, Mets, Phillies, etc in terms of spending ability.
 

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Just cause there are outliers doesn't change my opinion that the league should be on more of an equal footing. Every other major sport (NFL, NBA, NHL) has some semblance of a cap ceiling/floor.

My team is the Brewers. They have been really good at developing and getting bargain deals because they are at a significant disadvantage to teams like the Yankees, Dodgers, Mets, Phillies, etc in terms of spending ability.

I'd rather have no cap than the pretend one the NBA has.

Since 2000:
- MLB has no repeat winners and 15 different champions.
- NFL had had 1 repeat winner and 14 different champions.
- NHL has had 2 repeat winners and 13 different champions.
- NBA has had 1 x 3peat, 3 other repeat winners, and 11 different champions.
 
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Just cause there are outliers doesn't change my opinion that the league should be on more of an equal footing. Every other major sport (NFL, NBA, NHL) has some semblance of a cap ceiling/floor.

My team is the Brewers. They have been really good at developing and getting bargain deals because they are at a significant disadvantage to teams like the Yankees, Dodgers, Mets, Phillies, etc in terms of spending ability.

Yeah - I mean I live in Atlanta so I watch the Bravos when time allows, and how they do business is completely genius.

I don't mind how the MLB does it. I think I prefer it to the hard ceiling the NHL has, as the markets that generate the most money should be able to utilize that to field a better team, and that doesn't translate to championships, as the Yankees prove to us yearly.
 

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Couldn't have picked a better result this week.

Twins sweep - Indians get swept.

2.5g lead is a nice way to start the week.
 

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Yeah - I mean I live in Atlanta so I watch the Bravos when time allows, and how they do business is completely genius.

I don't mind how the MLB does it. I think I prefer it to the hard ceiling the NHL has, as the markets that generate the most money should be able to utilize that to field a better team, and that doesn't translate to championships, as the Yankees prove to us yearly.
So should the NHL go back to that? We can have the Leafs and Canadiens winning every other year. Gee, you'll have to count me out on that.

Just cause a market generates a lot of money doesn't mean they deserve to have an advantage over smaller markets. Unless your goal is to kill off small markets?

I just don't agree. End the bullshit advantage large markets have and create a more competitive playing field. IMO the MLB will be considered a trash league until they level the playing field.
I'd rather have no cap than the pretend one the NBA has.

Since 2000:
- MLB has no repeat winners and 15 different champions.
- NFL had had 1 repeat winner and 14 different champions.
- NHL has had 2 repeat winners and 13 different champions.
- NBA has had 1 x 3peat, 3 other repeat winners, and 11 different champions.
The cap has nothing to do with why the NBA has had repeat winners. Having 1-2 stars in the NBA is completely different than 1-2 stars in any of the NFL, NHL, and MLB.
 

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I just don't agree. End the bullshit advantage large markets have and create a more competitive playing field. IMO the MLB will be considered a trash league until they level the playing field.

The cap has nothing to do with why the NBA has had repeat winners. Having 1-2 stars in the NBA is completely different than 1-2 stars in any of the NFL, NHL, and MLB.

MLB has the most parody of any of the pro sports leagues. It's also the league were a single player has the least impact. A player gets 3-5 at bats a game and can be pitched around, they also can have 0 impact defensively (depending on how the game goes). A starting pitcher (except Ohtani) only plays 20% of the time. A relief pitcher only gets into 60 games. It's also the sport where tanking matters the least.

The NFL is the same way as the NBA. Just having Tom Brady as your QB gets you to the Super Bowl half the time.
 

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So should the NHL go back to that? We can have the Leafs and Canadiens winning every other year. Gee, you'll have to count me out on that.

Just cause a market generates a lot of money doesn't mean they deserve to have an advantage over smaller markets. Unless your goal is to kill off small markets?

I just don't agree. End the bullshit advantage large markets have and create a more competitive playing field. IMO the MLB will be considered a trash league until they level the playing field.

If you have a tax involved where teams that overspend have to basically give money to smaller markets then I'd be cool with that.

Besides, you already have clear advantages nowadays with the hard ceiling salary cap just based solely on income tax breaks, which is why a guy playing in the State of Florida will be 10-15% more in net income than that same player playing in Montreal.

There will always be loop holes, and as much I love the NHL, I can't think of another professional sport that has more 'dynasties' than that.

Pens/Blackhawks/and Kings dominated for 15 years
TB has dominated for the majority of the past 5 years.
And before that, you had Pens and Wings in the 90s, Oilers in the late 80s, Islanders in the early 80s, and Canadiens before that.

The past 2 years have been somewhat a blessing in the fact that we aren't having repeats, but NHL is completely full of dominant dynasties, more so than any other professional sport I can think of, so parity isn't really 'our thing'.

At the end of the day, you obviously hate the MLB, and your mind isn't changing despite the results and facts I've provided to try do do so, therefore it's probably best we get back to celebrating the Twins being in first place.
 

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If you have a tax involved where teams that overspend have to basically give money to smaller markets then I'd be cool with that.

Besides, you already have clear advantages nowadays with the hard ceiling salary cap just based solely on income tax breaks, which is why a guy playing in the State of Florida will be 10-15% more in net income than that same player playing in Montreal.

There will always be loop holes, and as much I love the NHL, I can't think of another professional sport that has more 'dynasties' than that.

Pens/Blackhawks/and Kings dominated for 15 years
TB has dominated for the majority of the past 5 years.
And before that, you had Pens and Wings in the 90s, Oilers in the late 80s, Islanders in the early 80s, and Canadiens before that.

The past 2 years have been somewhat a blessing in the fact that we aren't having repeats, but NHL is completely full of dominant dynasties, more so than any other professional sport I can think of, so parity isn't really 'our thing'.

At the end of the day, you obviously hate the MLB, and your mind isn't changing despite the results and facts I've provided to try do do so, therefore it's probably best we get back to celebrating the Twins being in first place.
The NHL has had more dynasties than the NBA/NFL? In what world is that even remotely true?

You have provided a lot of opinions that you think are facts, but simply are not. The facts you did provide were more based on sheer luck of development.

I don’t hate the MLB. I just don’t think it’s worth watching a $200M roster take on a $70M roster. Are you one of those people that think the NHL shouldn’t cover up the LTIR loophole that allows teams like Tampa and Vegas to be way over the cap ceiling?

I don’t like the Twins. I’m a Brewers fan. Been one since Prince Fielder/Ryan Braun/CC Sabathia were part of the team. Then I watched 2/3 of that group walk because the Brewers could not afford to pay more than just one. Meanwhile, the Yankees can afford to pay 2-3 players of that type every offseason if they so please. That’s when I realized the sport isn’t worth watching. But you don’t care, so this whole discussion is pointless.
 

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The NHL has had more dynasties than the NBA/NFL? In what world is that even remotely true?

You have provided a lot of opinions that you think are facts, but simply are not. The facts you did provide were more based on sheer luck of development.

I don’t hate the MLB. I just don’t think it’s worth watching a $200M roster take on a $70M roster. Are you one of those people that think the NHL shouldn’t cover up the LTIR loophole that allows teams like Tampa and Vegas to be way over the cap ceiling?

I don’t like the Twins. I’m a Brewers fan. Been one since Prince Fielder/Ryan Braun/CC Sabathia were part of the team. Then I watched 2/3 of that group walk because the Brewers could not afford to pay more than just one. Meanwhile, the Yankees can afford to pay 2-3 players of that type every offseason if they so please. That’s when I realized the sport isn’t worth watching. But you don’t care, so this whole discussion is pointless.
When do you think the last MLB dynasty was? You could certainly argue Houston as they have won twice, and lost twice in the finals over the past 6 years. But if you going off of what I've always considered to be a dynasty, then you are talking about 3 Championships in a short amount of time, which means you have the Yankees in the late 90's and early 2000's. Before that, I think it's the A's back in the 70's.

In the NHL, we've had the Hawks in the 2010's, we've had TB make 3 consecutive finals, only losing one to the Avs, Then you had the Wings and the Devils in the late 90's, early 2000's, Oilers in the late 80's with the Islanders in the early 80's (winning 4 in a row), which was right after Canadiens won 4 in a row from 76 -79.

That's a lot more dynasties than any other sport I can think of outside of maybe college and high school.

The NHL past is full of long streaks of having repeat champions, it's not a knock on the sport at all, just fact when you look at the history of it.
 

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That’s when I realized the sport isn’t worth watching. But you don’t care, so this whole discussion is pointless.
I do care - I was just letting you know that the MLB shows, based on Champions vs Payroll, that's it not the teams that spend the most that win. That was the fact that I was pointing to.

I mean Boston and NY clubs are known to spend a ton of money, and all 3 of the teams are missing the playoffs this year.
 
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