OT: Non-Hockey Sports Thread XI - Defense? Who Needs Defense?! (Wade Wilson Memorial Edition)

[TaLoN]

Saw that, am very intrigued to know if stuff is just dumbed down since it’s a new defense in year one. Hopefully they can complicate the adjustments better moving forward.

That's one thing Zimmer was great at... disguising what was actually happening.

 

[Sad People]

Isnt that graph completely irrelevant to the topic because its about "non contact injuries" on grass vs artificial turf?

 

[Digitalbooya]

Isnt that graph completely irrelevant to the topic because its about "non contact injuries" on grass vs artificial turf?

You guys are focusing too much on Rodgers. Players have been calling for fields to be switched to grass when applicable. I trust the players more than a few couch potatoes on a hockey forum

 

[Minnewildsota]

You guys are focusing too much on Rodgers. Players have been calling for fields to be switched to grass when applicable. I trust the players more than a few couch potatoes on a hockey forum

I don't think anyone is saying that grass isn't better. Just that contact related injuries (what Rodgers encountered) isn't that much different from Grass vs Artificial.

Not Contact Injuries are a different story though.

 

[TaLoN]

I don't think anyone is saying that grass isn't better. Just that contact related injuries (what Rodgers encountered) isn't that much different from Grass vs Artificial.

Not Contact Injuries are a different story though.

Exactly this, Rodgers injury is not an example to pull for the argument for grass over artificial turf.

There is an argument for non-contact injuries, sure, everyone here agrees, but contact? No. The idea that THIS injury is a spark to call for grass over turf is foolish.

 

[Digitalbooya]

I don't think anyone is saying that grass isn't better. Just that contact related injuries (what Rodgers encountered) isn't that much different from Grass vs Artificial.

Not Contact Injuries are a different story though.

Exactly this, Rodgers injury is not an example to pull for the argument for grass over artificial turf.

There is an argument for non-contact injuries, sure, everyone here agrees, but contact? No. The idea that THIS injury is a spark to call for grass over turf is foolish.

 

[Minnewildsota]

Ok but those people aren’t on this forum. I/We can’t speak for them.

You seem to be conflating what’s being said here versus what’s being said on Twitter?

 

[Sad People]

You guys are focusing too much on Rodgers. Players have been calling for fields to be switched to grass when applicable. I trust the players more than a few couch potatoes on a hockey forum

But what i dont get is why you bring up data that has nothing to do with Rodgers injury which was being discussed.

I feel like youre trying to create a straw man argument here. Maybe im not using that phrase correctly here.

Everyone here agrees with you brother that the NFL should move all fields to grass..

 

[MuckOG]

But what i dont get is why you bring up data that has nothing to do with Rodgers injury which was being discussed.

I feel like youre trying to create a straw man argument here. Maybe im not using that phrase correctly here.

Everyone here agrees with you brother that the NFL should move all fields to grass..

How would domed stadiums which weren't designed to have natural grass (ie Arizona) move to natural grass?

 

[Sad People]

How would domed stadiums which weren't designed to have natural grass (ie Arizona) move to natural grass?

I thought AZ had natural grass. They move the field itself outside to groom it and grow it and all that jaz. IIRC when that field opened up it was the latest innovation/ technology. I almost wanna say the Vegas Raiders stadium does the same thing but could be wrong. Thats why the Eagles were complaining non stop about the field and how it would of been a different game if it wasnt wet.

But that brings up another separate issue. Like US bank Stadium. Its an easy answer that the NFL can find a way to do it. Its a multi billion dollar industry if they want all stadiums to move to grass they could do it it would just cost a lot of money and teams would have to renovate their stadiums persey.

 

[Sad People]

Lazy answer is that if they really wanted teams to do it they could do it because the NFL has just about infinite money.

But then that would bring up another issue is in some places grass is easier to grow than others, The Titans just switched to artificial turf because it was impossibly hard to grow grass at their stadium and i also think its a Nashville problem too in general with it being hard to grow and maintain grass in that city. But again another "lazy" answer is if theyre able to do it in Green Bay i feel like they should be able to do it anywhere in the league.

 

[Minnewildsota]

I thought AZ had natural grass. They move the field itself outside to groom it and grow it and all that jaz. IIRC when that field opened up it was the latest innovation/ technology. I almost wanna say the Vegas Raiders stadium does the same thing but could be wrong. Thats why the Eagles were complaining non stop about the field and how it would of been a different game if it wasnt wet.

But that brings up another separate issue. Like US bank Stadium. Its an easy answer that the NFL can find a way to do it. Its a multi billion dollar industry if they want all stadiums to move to grass they could do it it it would just cost a lot of money and teams would have to renovate their stadiums persey.

I'm going to be a grammar Nazi, mostly because I recently learn this, but it's "per se"

 

[Sad People]

I'm going to be a grammar Nazi, mostly because I recently learn this, but it's "per se"

Im not going to do it but here im going to do it anyways lol

 

[TaLoN]

Which has nothing to do with the subject at hand, as this is how this entire conversation started...

I find it funny people are trying to blame the turf for this. J.K. Dobbins had the same injury this weekend on grass.

In football, no matter the surface, you wear gear that gives you the best footing. Are they going to ban wearing cleats on grass then too?

This is about people blaming the Rodgers injury on the turf. THIS injury would have happened on either surface.

 

[Minnewildsota]

Im not going to do it but here im going to do it anyways lol

I never said I wasn't going to do it

 

[Sad People]

I never said I wasn't going to do it

lol youre so right ahaha i read it as "im not going to be". You are correct my man i do not have the best grammar and have said it multiple times in here.

 

[Minnewildsota]

lol youre so right ahaha i read it as "im not going to be". You are correct my man i do not have the best grammar and have said it multiple times in here.

No worries. I always thought it was persay - I was wrong. Just trying to share knowledge.

 

[MuckOG]

I thought AZ had natural grass. They move the field itself outside to groom it and grow it and all that jaz. IIRC when that field opened up it was the latest innovation/ technology. I almost wanna say the Vegas Raiders stadium does the same thing but could be wrong. Thats why the Eagles were complaining non stop about the field and how it would of been a different game if it wasnt wet.

But that brings up another separate issue. Like US bank Stadium. Its an easy answer that the NFL can find a way to do it. Its a multi billion dollar industry if they want all stadiums to move to grass they could do it it would just cost a lot of money and teams would have to renovate their stadiums persey.

Yep, Arizona has a large conveyor belt where they move the grass indoors for the game and roll it outside to grow. They designed that feature into their stadium. The Vikings did not.

The only option to have natural grass in US Bank it to lay new sod for each game, then paint the lines and end zone for each game as well. I wonder, though, how freshly laid sod will handle the punishment of a football game and possibly cause even more injuries?

 

[Sad People]

Yep, Arizona has a large conveyor belt where they move the grass indoors for the game and roll it outside to grow. They designed that feature into their stadium. The Vikings did not.

The only option to have natural grass in US Bank it to lay new sod for each game, then paint the lines and end zone for each game as well. I wonder, though, how freshly laid sod will handle the punishment of a football game and possibly cause even more injuries?

I think they even did that for the most recent SB in AZ and it didnt go well thats why we saw people sleeping across the field. It needs more than a week in order to set. I remember it being briefly talked about during the week leading up to the SB. Wonder if the sod could last more than one game.

Point is if the NFL really wanted to go in that direction they could. Right now for whatever reason theyre choosing not to.

 

[TaLoN]

Yep, Arizona has a large conveyor belt where they move the grass indoors for the game and roll it outside to grow. They designed that feature into their stadium. The Vikings did not.

The only option to have natural grass in US Bank it to lay new sod for each game, then paint the lines and end zone for each game as well. I wonder, though, how freshly laid sod will handle the punishment of a football game and possibly cause even more injuries?

Fresh sod is generally bad for a game, it needs to take root to be solid. Soldier field has done many an emergency sod placement, it's never turned out well.

The Vikings problem, they would need to have a whole other facility to enable the grass to keep growing in the winter. It would not be a cheap endeavor at all.

I think they even did that for the most recent SB in AZ and it didnt go well thats why we saw people sleeping across the field. It needs more than a week in order to set. I remember it being briefly talked about during the week leading up to the SB. Wonder if the sod could last more than one game.

Point is if the NFL really wanted to go in that direction they could. Right now for whatever reason theyre choosing not to.

AZ has a grass tray system, so it's never fresh sod being laid out. The grass grows in interlinked trays that are brought outside so they can grow, brought inside on gameday. The system has only had great reviews. That's the nice thing about the desert. they control most everything about the inside and out other than the insane baking heat, which they then just bring the grass back inside so it doesn't get overdone in the sun.

 

[Digitalbooya]

But what i dont get is why you bring up data that has nothing to do with Rodgers injury which was being discussed.

I feel like youre trying to create a straw man argument here. Maybe im not using that phrase correctly here.

Everyone here agrees with you brother that the NFL should move all fields to grass..

The turf argument has been going on for years and years. A star player getting injured on a turf field just reignites the real argument.

 

[TaLoN]

 

[Minnewildsota]

The turf argument has been going on for years and years. A star player getting injured on a turf field just reignites the real argument.

I'm not sure I would call JK Dobbins a star player, yet.

 

[7dayBender]

Fresh sod is generally bad for a game, it needs to take root to be solid. Soldier field has done many an emergency sod placement, it's never turned out well.

The Vikings problem, they would need to have a whole other facility to enable the grass to keep growing in the winter. It would not be a cheap endeavor at all.


AZ has a grass tray system, so it's never fresh sod being laid out. The grass grows in interlinked trays that are brought outside so they can grow, brought inside on gameday. The system has only had great reviews. That's the nice thing about the desert. they control most everything about the inside and out other than the insane baking heat, which they then just bring the grass back inside so it doesn't get overdone in the sun.

Engineered by a company in MN IIRC.

My experiences with turf in college was that it is very hard on the body to consistently play/practice on. I believe that if you practice on natural grass and just play on turf it can be a nice asset (gameday field conditions and such). Players get so used to making cuts on turf that would never work on grass. I think that is what leads to more noncontact injuries because you are putting your body in unnatural positions more often because you always have footing.

The weeks we played away games at places with grass (so we practiced on grass) were definitely a relief.

Also, I would say I am a little biased as I blew a knee out on turf in a way that I am almost certain wouldn't have happened on grass.

 

[Digitalbooya]

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This is fun. Now do teams with a win this season.