Gabriel426
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I was being sarcasticThat's one of the most dysfunctional things I've ever read on a hockey forum.
I was being sarcasticThat's one of the most dysfunctional things I've ever read on a hockey forum.
That's one of the most dysfunctional things I've ever read on a hockey forum.
I think people whisper “Selke” a lot around Marner and it’s overstated.
Its really funny how offended some feel whenever a ranking showed MM is not better than Willie.
Can we all just agree that MM is NOT the best player in the league and didn't had a great season last year. There are also quite a few players who are just better than MM esp using last season stats.
This concept also applies to every player in the league except for McDavid.
Like if Kuch gets 85pts this coming season while playing 70 games or more, I am pretty sure he won't be rank in the top 5 PLAYERS in the league like he is today. Same with AM, if he only scores 58goals and 95pts while McD, Mack, Drai, Barkov, Point and even Sid got better stats than him, AM won't be consider a top 5 C in the league next season unless he wins the Conn Symthe and win the Cup for the Leafs in the playoffs.
All these MM is better than Willie is really petty. Both of them won NOTHING in terms of personal accolades or team awards(NO CUP). Both of them are just good or great players in the league where they are all very replaceable esp if you put salary into that equation.
Pretty much most on that top 20 list can fill their roles with the Leafs plus a few more that is not on that list.
The Nylander pump up brigade seems to have been out in full force overnight, not sure where all their desperation comes from?
It's really weird.
The vast majority of fans wanted change from “we can and we will”. Nylander was an obvious choice two years ago and Marner was the obvious choice this summer.Fair post, players performance is fluid season over season, Just because you score 140 one year does not mean you are the best in the next year. Unless you are Gretzky, Lemieux or McDavid.
Maybe I'm remembering a different reality but I could have sworn there was a lynch mob that wanted to run Willie out of town before last season.
The stats are yours. You are the one who keeps reposting them in every thread after they've already been debunked. We've discussed this countless times. As for the origin of the stats, they're conveniently not publicly available, so the author is free to cherry pick whatever microstats he wants (and exclude others, while providing no explanation) to craft a narrative without anybody checking his work or decisions.throw a @ sign at me so i can respond when you talk about me. The stats arent mine, they rarely are
We don’t need sportlogiq stats to tell us Marner’s shot is below average and teams defend around that.throw a @ sign at me so i can respond when you talk about me. The stats arent mine, they rarely are, i get my data from published articles or advanced stats. Your posts are completely biased though and baseless opinions.
Here is the article:
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Why Maple Leafs fell short again and what to do with Matthews, Marner
So another disappointing end to a Maple Leafs season comes with huge off-season questions. Justin Bourne looks at exactly why this year's group fell short again, and explores what it should mean for Auston Matthews, Mitch Marner, and more.www.google.com
Heres the relavant info:
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Now proceed to respond to this data posted by Sportsnet. please be objective and use data to support your post or dont bother wasting anyones time attacking the ethics of the writer. Attack the data..if you think it’s wrong, prove it.
The Nylander pump up brigade seems to have been out in full force overnight, not sure where all their desperation comes from?
It's really weird.
Well nylander will be held to much more scrutiny now that he is one of the top paid players in the league. No more double flamingos or slowing down to avoid being the first on the puck in the corners. He will also have to stop cheating offensively in his own end and actually try to learn some defensive skills.
In game one or game 5,6,7?Well youre right about all this. It comes with being overpaid. At the very least he will have to put up some stellar post seasons.
Nobody in this tow remembers anything about regular season players. The playoff performers are who get remembered.
In game one or game 5,6,7?
At the money he is making? People want to see Sundin level and I think that means pretty consistent. 1-7 no matter the round.
Not sure I agree with you entirely on this one. It definitely has an aspect of being a more reputation based award but Bergeron was a no-brainer best defensive forward around after Datsyuk hung them up. His faceoff talents alone were dominant but paired with his good offensive production he was always an easy choice for the Selke.
Same with Barkov. He made so many clutch and intelligent defensive plays in these playoffs alone it’s easy to spot the significant gap between him and Marner/Matthews.
No problem.my report was not about even strenght but about 5v5... so that's exclude 4v4 and 6v5
I've read the discussion wrt Kopitar versus Bergeron.
Kopitar 2 Cups
Bergeron 1 Cup.
Kopitar .88 PPG
Bergeron .80 PPG
And yes, there was always more media hype about Bergeron.
East Coast vs West CoastI've read the discussion wrt Kopitar versus Bergeron.
Kopitar 2 Cups
Bergeron 1 Cup.
Kopitar .88 PPG
Bergeron .80 PPG
And yes, there was always more media hype about Bergeron.
I've read the discussion wrt Kopitar versus Bergeron.
Kopitar 2 Cups
Bergeron 1 Cup.
Kopitar .88 PPG
Bergeron .80 PPG
And yes, there was always more media hype about Bergeron.
"Defense wins Championships"
The Frank J. Selke Trophy is an annual award given "to the forward who best excels in the defensive aspects of the game."
Best Defensive Forward ... Bergeron 6 - Kopitar 2
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PS. I've lost count how many time Boston has eliminated the Leafs in the 1st round against this group.
"Defense wins Championships"
The Frank J. Selke Trophy is an annual award given "to the forward who best excels in the defensive aspects of the game."
Best Defensive Forward ... Bergeron 6 - Kopitar 2
View attachment 902545
PS. I've lost count how many time Boston has eliminated the Leafs in the 1st round against this group.
"Defense wins Championships"
The Frank J. Selke Trophy is an annual award given "to the forward who best excels in the defensive aspects of the game."
Best Defensive Forward ... Bergeron 6 - Kopitar 2
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PS. I've lost count how many time Boston has eliminated the Leafs in the 1st round against this group.
All data in this article via SportlogiqThe stats are yours. You are the one who keeps reposting them in every thread after they've already been debunked. We've discussed this countless times. As for the origin of the stats, they're conveniently not publicly available, so the author is free to cherry pick whatever microstats he wants (and exclude others, while providing no explanation) to craft a narrative without anybody checking his work or decisions.
As for the chosen micro stats themselves... Well we can start off by easily seeing how garbage they are, because instead of extrapolating conclusions from partial micro stats, we can just look at the metric that measures his individual shot quality. From regular season to playoffs that year, Marner's iXG/60 rose 0.11 at 5v5 and rose 0.05 on the PP.
That's really the end of it, but if you wanted to know why your stats are misleading...
There seem to be 2 reasons why his average shot distance is longer:
1. It is counting a puck shot in from the neutral zone, which with such a small sample, can skew the numbers.
2. He took a grand total of 2 extra shots than normal from the blueline.
Why did he take 2 extra shots from the blueline? Because it played into Vasilevsky's weakness that the Leafs tried to specifically exploit, and Marner himself scored 3 times from there. You're literally complaining about a nothing dump in, and Marner scoring goals.
As for the slot percentages... There are multiple problems...
1. The "slot" is one specific area of the ice. There are other quality and high-danger areas to shoot from, but the author specifically focuses on that one specific area. Suspicious.
2. Either his percentages are wrong, or he's further limiting an already tiny data set in some way without saying so. The percentages don't result in whole numbers, and a player can't take 0.6 of a shot. He has done something wrong, and the numbers are wrong. For the record, according to the NHL, 48% of his playoff shots were from the slot, and his most common shooting location was dead center in the slot. He was at 35% in the regular season.
This is why it's important to actually understand what you're posting, and the stats that you're using, instead of relying on media personalities to craft bad narratives for you.
Evidence is only admissible if it placates to certain people's narrative. Trusted sources that call them out on their bullshit narratives are not fairsies.All data in this article via Sportlogiq
The majority of
@NHL
@CHLHockey
@NCAAIceHockey
organizations are #PoweredbySportlogiq data & insights
lol... conveniently unavailable...? because its a company that requires a subscription to access its data?
So is free data from a blogger more accurate and trustworthy? Rather than a huge, leading, organization with lots of resources, that is used by NCAA, NHL and CHL?
This isnt even getting into ethics... you think an author is risking his entire career to sewer Marner? Lol
You definitely need a therapist over your denial.
"Sportlogiq was created by Olympic athlete Craig Buntin and PhD in computer vision and machine learning, Mehrsan Javan.All data in this article via Sportlogiq
The majority of
@NHL
@CHLHockey
@NCAAIceHockey
organizations are #PoweredbySportlogiq data & insights
lol... conveniently unavailable...? because its a company that requires a subscription to access its data?
So is free data from a blogger more accurate and trustworthy? Rather than a huge, leading, organization with lots of resources, that is used by NCAA, NHL and CHL?
This isnt even getting into ethics... you think an author is risking his entire career to sewer Marner? Lol
You definitely need a therapist over your denial.
All data in this article via Sportlogiq
The majority of
@NHL
@CHLHockey
@NCAAIceHockey
organizations are #PoweredbySportlogiq data & insights
lol... conveniently unavailable...? because its a company that requires a subscription to access its data?
So is free data from a blogger more accurate and trustworthy? Rather than a huge, leading, organization with lots of resources, that is used by NCAA, NHL and CHL?
This isnt even getting into ethics... you think an author is risking his entire career to sewer Marner? Lol
You definitely need a therapist over your denial.
I remember when there was a faction that swore up and down that Matt Fratten was superior to Kadri. Good timesThe Nylander pump up brigade seems to have been out in full force overnight, not sure where all their desperation comes from?
It's really weird.