There is the assumption that Shapiro wanted control of player personnel decisions. Shapiro put a hand on Alex's wheel. Alex doesn't want that. That's how I am taking it. Has nothing to do with 5 years. That would basically be a demotion for Alex.
Blue Jays Discussion: No More AA, Everyone is very Sad (and by Sad, I mean Mad)
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There is the assumption that Shapiro wanted control of player personnel decisions. Shapiro put a hand on Alex's wheel. Alex doesn't want that. That's how I am taking it. Has nothing to do with 5 years. That would basically be a demotion for Alex.
Menzinger
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They did offer him that term, but reading between the lines there seems to be something that was being disputed - ie a breakdown in the Shaprio-AA relationship, lack of independence in his job, ect.
Jimmy Firecracker
They Fired Sheldon!
Brady and Walker just said AA won executive of the year as voted by his peers.
And out the door he goes.
And out the door he goes.
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This exact same thing very likely would have happened with Duquette too. I think the Jays were just following new trends of going after presidents with extensive experience in baseball operations.
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I don't know why people are so upset. He only had a one good season. 479-483 since 2010. Yes, below .500. If the team had been in the playoffs for last 2 season, he has something. I don't think he has done anything spectacular other than a couple of moves this season. So in 5 years, 1 year defines him ? Look at it for what it is.
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Rogers offered AA a reported 5 year extension. Allegedly Shapiro wanted a final say in player moves. This isn't much of a change from the relationship Beeston and AA had with each other. Beeston had the ability to nix deals, but didn't because he trusted AA. It appears AA wasn't willing to build that trust with Shapiro and left. In reality the situation didn't change all that much.
With AA gone, is it likely that Gibbons will be gone before next year too? I can't see whoever becomes the Jay's next GM wanting to keep him around.
Do we really need a thread title that tries to speak for everyone? I am neither mad or sad that AA is leaving. I might have been slightly shocked if we hadn't known for ages that this was a distinct possibility. I thought AA did a good job as GM and would have liked him to stay. But Rogers obviously was not willing to meet certain conditions he wanted and AA felt he had to leave. This sort of thing happens. No need to be sad or mad about it. I'll just keep watching and see what happens next. It' sustain part of the drama of following a sports team.
Yup, that must be it. Look at AA just ripping the Jays in this phone call.
Your grudge with AA borders on ridiculous.
Griffin's hot fire article sums up my thoughts
http://www.thestar.com/sports/blue_...ion-from-blue-jays-is-ridiculous-griffin.html
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Yup. Trim the roster. Build from the draft like the Royals. But I'd wait it out 2 years if I were shapiro or else fans will RIP on him.
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Took the Royals 8 years to make the playoffs after Moore was hired.
So I guess I should stop paying attention until 2023?
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I think Shapiro was hired just after AA made his Hail Mary pass (the trade deadline). Until that point AA's record and trades with the Jays had been at best MEH. The team got into the playoffs by going on an almost unimaginable run. I think it was wise for Rogers to not want to throw AA the keys to everything. It wasn't long ago AA was inching close to the chopping block.
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like. it just sounds to me Shapiro has all the same powers that Beeston had. the only difference is, Shapiro may want to deploy those powers more, but we don't know. It just feels that AA didn't want to be bothered. Which is his decision but i don't get the mud slinging.
1/3rd of the NHL has this set up already and they function just fine. and I get people rage at Hockey/Baseball comparisions, but I figure a front office is a front office is a front office. AA would have had to report to SOMEONE and if AA wanted to go do something massive, he would have had to tell SOMEONE and that someone would have had the authority to say no.
so. once again.
I don't see what the big deal is.
Contract offered, AA said, let's stop rendering the sackcloth and ashes and be all dooom doom doom.
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You realized he inherited a complete mess from JP. He unloaded some bad contracts (Wells etc), and had completely re-stocked their farm system which enabled him to put this team together. All this in 5 years in pretty impressive, i'm sure the Leafs would be drooling if they could make the Conference Finals in 5 years.
BertCorbeau
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His record and number of playoff appearances does not do his body of work justice, particularly considering where he started when he inherited the team.
Building up one of the best prospect pools in baseball and managing to trade highly touted prospects away and maintain a quality farm system. Pulling off some crazy trades that almost every fanbase is envious of .. Building the best offense in baseball without buying it in FA
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This. Funny because JP was the one who was touted but AA schooled him. He did a damn good job.
Menzinger
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If you want to keep top talent you have to give them incentives - this applies to management as well. I don't see what's wrong with AA wanting more independence after giving Jays fans their best season in years.
Ownership ultimately decided they value Shapiro over AA - I don't understand why everyone isn't furious over this....
Ownership ultimately decided they value Shapiro over AA - I don't understand why everyone isn't furious over this....
Has there been any evidence to support Griffin's claim that Shapiro had no say over baseball moves as Cleveland president?
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