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Blue Jays Discussion: No longer the off-season. It's time for real baseball

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Yeah saying Montoyo is some slave to the analytics is a really weird narrative. Most of my issues with him in game are him making random decisions that are not backed up in any way by analytics. I guess we use openers and do shifts but everyone does that now lol. My impression of Montoyo has always been that he is a great guy to have around while the team is building and the young players are growing. I do not think he will be the guy to take us all the way though.
 
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phillipmike said:
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Alek Manoah, RHP, Blue Jays

The 11th overall pick in the 2019 draft, Manoah spent last year at the alternate training site and has been one of the most talked about pitching prospects in any camp this spring. He struck out four Yankees over two scoreless innings in his first outing, then struck out seven Yankees big leaguers in a row while tossing three perfect innings in his second outing.

Scout’s Take: “He was 96-97 in the shorter outing blowing guys down and then I got to see him go over three innings. It was 93-96, last inning more 95-96 letting it eat, just painting both sides of the plate. Easy, heavy life with a well above-average slider that he put anywhere he wanted. His mound presence, the way he handles himself on the mound, it was really impressive. He looks like he belongs there. I could see this guy contributing for them in 2021 just based off of what we’ve seen so far this spring. It would be need-based, but if they’re in the stretch run you could see him being a weapon with that fastball-slider combo. It was really, really impressive.”
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I was wrong on Manoah, I said he needed at least 1.5 to 2 years in the minors. Honestly he looks ready or close to ready now. He has MLB stuff as soon as this season.

Only 2 pitchers this spring training under the age of 24, who have faced MLB competition (9 OppQual or higher) without giving up a run;

Alek Manoah (23)
Simeon Woods-Richardson (20)

2021 Major League Baseball Spring Training | Baseball-Reference.com

Manoah also has 11 Ks and has given up only 1 hit.
 
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phillipmike said:
I was wrong on Manoah, I said he needed at least 1.5 to 2 years in the minors. Honestly he looks ready or close to ready now. He has MLB stuff as soon as this season.

Only 2 pitchers this spring training under the age of 24, who have faced MLB competition (9 OppQual or higher) without giving up a run;

Alek Manoah (23)
Simeon Woods-Richardson (20)

2021 Major League Baseball Spring Training | Baseball-Reference.com

Manoah also has 11 Ks and has given up only 1 hit.
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Granted I haven't seen Manoah this spring outside of two pitches on a Potato camera but I was likely wrong too. I preferred Jackson Rutledge to him in their draft years.
 
If you guys are thinking about laying some wagers on the upcoming season, I think Ohtani at 33:1 to win MVP is excellent value.
 
TheMadHatTrick said:
Granted I haven't seen Manoah this spring outside of two pitches on a Potato camera but I was likely wrong too. I preferred Jackson Rutledge to him in their draft years.
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I liked the Manoah pick. I believe i was on record wanting Baty or Stotts. Stotts was my pick but if we were going with a pitcher, i was very happy with Manoah.

After the draft a friend of mine brought Quinn Priester to my attention. Big fan since then.
 
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I liked the Manoah pick. I believe i was on record wanting Baty or Stotts. Stotts was my pick but if we were going with a pitcher, i was very happy with Manoah.

After the draft a friend of mine brought Quinn Priester to my attention. Big fan since then.
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I wanted no part of Baty. I think I was fine with Manoah. Not unhappy but not ecstatic. If I recall I wanted Carroll or Rutledge.
 
MLB Can't Wait Any Longer to Fix Its Pace of Play Crisis

Great article on the crisis baseball is going thru as the games get more boring and longer each year. Long read but something needs to change and I know being an old guy I do miss the baseball played in the '80s and 90's where there was so much action and pitchers knew how to pitch and went 6-7 innings, not 4-5 and then a bunch of 1 inning gas throwers striking out people.

I miss seeing Wade Boggs, Tony Gwynn work the whole field to get hits vs defenses now playing beer league slopitch style D 5 guys on the strong side of the field. I miss Tim Raines, Rickey Henderson tormenting pitchers by stealing bases.

Yeah an old man rant but the game is so boring now with it all being played by what a spreadsheet says. I get data has evolved but it's made the game quite boring to watch.
 
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phillipmike said:
Only 2 pitchers this spring training under the age of 24, who have faced MLB competition (9 OppQual or higher) without giving up a run;

Alek Manoah (23)
Simeon Woods-Richardson (20)
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The amount we talk about SWR I forget he’s so young;

we could be adding 2 top 3 starters in just these guys over the next 2 years
 
ryno23 said:
MLB Can't Wait Any Longer to Fix Its Pace of Play Crisis

Great article on the crisis baseball is going thru as the games get more boring and longer each year. Long read but something needs to change and I know being an old guy I do miss the baseball played in the '80s and 90's where there was so much action and pitchers knew how to pitch and went 6-7 innings, not 4-5 and then a bunch of 1 inning gas throwers striking out people.

I miss seeing Wade Boggs, Tony Gwynn work the whole field to get hits vs defenses now playing beer league slopitch style D 5 guys on the strong side of the field. I miss Tim Raines, Rickey Henderson tormenting pitchers by stealing bases.

Yeah an old man rant but the game is so boring now with it all being played by what a spreadsheet says. I get data has evolved but it's made the game quite boring to watch.
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I never thought this would happen but ryno I agree with you. I think they simply stop the infield shift and the game will instantly improve. 3b at 2b and the 2b playing rover in the field makes baseball pretty trashy to watch.
 
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Counting down MLB's Top 10 farm systems
7. Toronto Blue Jays
2020 midseason rank: 7
2020 preseason rank: 16
Top 100 Prospects: Nate Pearson (No. 10), Austin Martin (No. 22), Jordan Groshans (No. 46), Simeon Woods Richardson (No. 87)
The Blue Jays are No. 7 despite graduating the likes of Vladimir Guerrero Jr., Bo Bichette and Cavan Biggio in recent years. While Toronto landed star power in George Springer and Marcus Semien via free agency, they did so without touching their top-end prospects. More »
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Completely disagree. I would shift 20 years ago to the pull side beside it was much more likely to be hit there. The point of sports is to do everything you can to win. Winning is the only thing that matters and I am sick and tired of entertainment playing any role. I could not care less how much money teams and players make so if the product results in less people liking it then I do not care. I just want my favourite team to win.
 
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