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Blue Jays Discussion: No longer the off-season. It's time for real baseball

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TheTotalPackage said:
Great guy. Horrible manager.

Hope he has learned from his first two seasons and does much better with a very good lineup. I also hope he cleansed himself of all the Tampa Bay Rays goofiness from his system.
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Slight amendment: Horrible on-field manager. The vast majority of a manager's responsibility is behind the scenes stuff we can never really know about.

I'm hoping they spent a lot of time working with him on the on-field stuff over the offseason, though. Either that or one of the other coaches can help or something.
 
canucksfan said:
I'm slightly optimistic about Roark. Control has been good and his velocity higher.
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At the very least it's nice to see him earning a rotation spot (so far) rather than backing into it and getting it by default by being the expensive veteran.
 
Vladdy is unreal right now. Batting .529 for the Spring and today he has two doubles, a triple and a single. His one double and triple just missed being home runs too.
 
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Vladdy has a 1.566 OPS so far in spring :laugh:
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I went to sprinkle a few dollars on Vladdy to win MVP, expecting astronomical odds.

Found that the betting sites already had him tied for 7th (with Abreu, Moncada, Torres) for most likely to win it :eek:
 
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Epictetus said:
If he can just do what he normally does -- and basically what the Jays signed up for -- around 4.30 ERA and 180 innings, with 2 WAR or so, then he'll be plenty valuable in a 162 game season.
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100%. The bar is set very low for the Jays starters with the improved offense and defense.

A quality start is 3 runs or less in at least 6 innings pitched. That equates to a 4.50 RA9 pitcher. If you pen can give up 1 run or less in the 7th, 8th and 9th then you are in contention to win every night as this offense can put up 5-6+ runs a game.

Jays Starter's Career RA9:
Hyun Jin Ryu: 3.22 RA9
Ross Stripling: 4.04 RA9
Tanner Roark: 4.08 RA9
Robbie Ray: 4.59 RA9
Steven Matz: 4.67 RA9

This group will need help at the deadline in the way of a trade or 2 but they should be enough to put you in contention to win every night during the first half.
 
TheTotalPackage said:
Great guy. Horrible manager.

Hope he has learned from his first two seasons and does much better with a very good lineup. I also hope he cleansed himself of all the Tampa Bay Rays goofiness from his system.
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Tampa Bay's "goofiness" is generally things that get positive results and come from a place of logic and rationality even if they're not staunchly traditional decisions. Montoyo doesn't do that. He does weird crap that defies explanation and then backs it up with non-evidence like gut feelings and hunches. He honestly feels like more of a bad old school manager than he does the product of the Rays system.
 
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The Nemesis said:
Tampa Bay's "goofiness" is generally things that get positive results and come from a place of logic and rationality even if they're not staunchly traditional decisions. Montoyo doesn't do that. He does weird crap that defies explanation and then backs it up with non-evidence like gut feelings and hunches. He honestly feels like more of a bad old school manager than he does the product of the Rays system.
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Since he's considered an "analytics manager" though people blame it on that as if they would say to start Panik or Fisher was a better option than Vlad.

Good guy, awful on field manager so far.
 
Kurtz said:
I went to sprinkle a few dollars on Vladdy to win MVP, expecting astronomical odds.

Found that the betting sites already had him tied for 7th (with Abreu, Moncada, Torres) for most likely to win it :eek:
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Wow. Agreed. That seems rather optimistic. Jays would be in great shape if he's an MVP candidate.
 
Montoya was given a young club to learn with, he is doing just that. The fact he got us into the post season, playing in a triple A stadium, with a pretty young team... Hats off. Does he have warts? Sure. But he did take over a rebuild and make the post season did he not? I don't get the hate actually. Im full of optimistic energy for this franchise top to bottom, even more so than our ALCS run a few years back. Those were great teams but they were very veteran filled. This team has the real opportunity to grow and stick together for a long time, Charlie included.
 
Montoyo is a company dude and lets the analytics department run the show, don't think its surprising he got extended.
 
hockeywiz542 said:
Kirk's Story - The Kirk Gibson Foundation for Parkinson's

Ironically in the late 90’s I ended up becoming part of the media with Fox Sports Detroit. Then stumbled into coaching when my good friend, Alan Trammell took the Manager’s job with the Detroit Tigers. From there another opportunity came along to be the Bench Coach with the Arizona Diamondbacks alongside another former teammate, Bob Melvin.

Unbelievably beyond that, I became the Manager in 2010 for the Diamondbacks and we won the National League Division in 2011. Little did I know the biggest challenge of my lifetime would come four years later and I had no choice but to accept.

After being relieved by the Diamondbacks near the end of the 2014 season, I accepted an offer to telecast 60 games for the Detroit Tigers during the 2015 season. Opening Day in the broadcast booth is a day I’ll never forget. As we prepared to telecast the game, I was hit with great anxiety on camera which lasted throughout the entire game. During the postgame wrap up I totally locked up and was unable to talk. I knew I needed guidance on how to deal with the issues I had been ignoring … I contacted a good friend., two days later I was diagnosed with Parkinson’s Disease.

CHAPTER THREE

I felt overwhelmed and was not sure what this meant but was thinking the worst. I had encountered many negative thoughts on the field and overcame them by constantly affirming positive experiences …remembering how good success made me feel. I will use this again as I am faced with a “new” World Series…competing against my new opponent…Parkinson’s Disease.



Reflecting back, I try to understand the signals I had along the way. I can remember back in 2007 while I was shaving with my right hand, my left hand began to clutch. I thought it was weird at first but wiped it away. Often my neck became stiff and painful. My left arm became glued to my left side. It was diagnosed as a pinched C67 disc problem and I went on to have surgery to repair it. Surgery gave minimal relief. My left shoulder began to hurt so I had another surgery to alleviate that problem. I believed these ailments were caused by athletic wear from years of competition. There were other problems along the way but I asked myself if I was just getting old or is it something else? At times the anxiety made me feel like I couldn’t operate. Being out in public and covering it up was exhausting, starting to stick my hand in my pocket so nobody would notice. I started to limp when my left foot went forward. Again, pawning it off as an orthopedic problem. Even though I saw medical personnel on a regular basis all through my years in sports – we missed it. And I lived in denial that something was wrong because my personality was to never give in to anything.
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Thanks for sharing that.
Working in the medical field ive seen this quite a bit. Its still somewhat early for him too. And thankfully things can be slowed down somewhat with medications and a good diet. Nothing but empathy for those with(& support) loved ones who deal with this & other diseases. True heros!
 
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The Nemesis said:
Tampa Bay's "goofiness" is generally things that get positive results and come from a place of logic and rationality even if they're not staunchly traditional decisions. Montoyo doesn't do that. He does weird crap that defies explanation and then backs it up with non-evidence like gut feelings and hunches. He honestly feels like more of a bad old school manager than he does the product of the Rays system.
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Give me a manager who goes with the flow at times using “non-evidence” things like gut feelings and hunches than someone who relies primarily on analytics on a spreadsheet and decides to use openers and pulls pitchers after two times through the lineup even if they’ve thrown 62 pitches of one-hit ball.

But I’m just old school when it comes to the game.
 
I really want Danny Jansen to break out with the bat this year.
Nice seeing the A lineup thump their way through a Tuesday.
 
TheTotalPackage said:
Give me a manager who goes with the flow at times using “non-evidence” things like gut feelings and hunches than someone who relies primarily on analytics on a spreadsheet and decides to use openers and pulls pitchers after two times through the lineup even if they’ve thrown 62 pitches of one-hit ball.

But I’m just old school when it comes to the game.
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As long as you're ok when those gut feelings are things batting guys like Panik, Jansen among others number 3 in the order last year while guys like Gurriel, and Vladdy hit 7th last year.

But Ned Yost won a title using his worst hitting at leadoff so it's not like these kinds of bad decisions are impossible to overcome. It's only really marginal gains and losses.
 
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Yeah, I don't really get where the "He just does what the analytics department tells him to do" stuff comes from considering he does so many blatantly non-analytic things.
 
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Vladdy just crushing the ball.

You can also tell he's lost alot of weight.
 
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