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Zajacs Bowl Cut said:
I think you need to re-evaluate your trade valuations, my friend :laugh:
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I agree Larkin has more value than Santini. Probably a lot more. But do you do the trade? Our D is looking weak as it is. We can't just keep giving away promising defenders. That's my thought process on it.
 
Number1RedWingsFan52 said:
How do you figure that we'll be $300,000 under the cap. We're over by $4,239.000 or something like that and with Franzen and Vitale on LTIR we're saving around $5,055,000 so we will be around $800,000 under stop going by General Fanager that still has AA on the roster both AA and Mantha have been demoted down to Grand Rapids right now. But of course that $800,000 Detroit still needs a 7th D man and even with Ouellet added that only leaves us with about $88,000 but then again i could see Holland waiving Jurco's $900,000 and see someone picking him up if need be. Holland know's what he's doing being this far over once Franzen and Vitale go on LTIR and possibly Pulkkinen as well that will give Detroit a bigger savings cap wise going into the season.
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I just eyeballed general fanager. Though doing the math, you'd get $3,954,545 in relief from Franzen, and $1,116,666 from Vitale. You're currently $4,867,042 over the cap. So you'd actually only have $204,169 in cap space, which is worse than I thought.

Waiving and burying guys in Grand Rapids would give you a little room to wiggle, but is it really ideal? I just don't see what the end goal is for you guys. If you're not playing the young guys and you can't win either, all I can see this as is a lost season.
 
From top to bottom one of the worst trade threads by a poster I've seen. You start off strong in bad proposals with the op,follow it up with terrible reasoning and top it off with the Larkin bit. Well played,sir.
 
Syckle78 said:
From top to bottom one of the worst trade threads by a poster I've seen. You start off strong in bad proposals with the op,follow it up with terrible reasoning and top it off with the Larkin bit. Well played,sir.
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I don't know, I've seen some pretty bad ones. I'll take the legendary status where I can get it though, I guess.
 
VoidCreature said:
I'm rating him comensurately with what he means to the Devils. He's going to be a shut down D-man with limited offense, but we're not in a position to trade him after dealing Larsson. He's yoo important. Larkin is what it would take to get us to even think about it.
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Oh, Larkin would only get you thinking? :laugh:
 
Nyquist at his worst is better then Boucher right now. And that's with a somewhat small sample size
 
VoidCreature said:
With LTIR you have like $400,000 in cap space. That's not even enough to call someone up. It's an untenable situation. If I was a Red Wings fan I'd be praying for a Jimmy Howard buyout. Something has to give otherwise.
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If they needed to call someone up, the would put whoever was injured on IR, thus getting any cap space they may need. The Wings have a full roster basically already with young players that are ready to jump up if need be. Why do they need a large amount of cap space?

As long as they are under the cap, that is all they need to be worried about.
 
Oddbob said:
If they needed to call someone up, the would put whoever was injured on IR, thus getting any cap space they may need. The Wings have a full roster basically already with young players that are ready to jump up if need be. Why do they need a large amount of cap space?

As long as they are under the cap, that is all they need to be worried about.
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With LTIR, you're at around $200,000 in space. Adding Ouellet's contract, which is one way this year, puts you over by $500,000. If Pulkkinen goes on LTIR to start the season, that cancels that out. But what about when he gets healthy?

I've heard about waiving someone like Jurco as a solution to this. Is losing him for nothing a risk your team should be taking, considering where you are and what your needs are going to be in the future?

I've seen quotes that Holland wants to add a top 3 defenseman this offseason. I have no idea how he plans on doing that. Let's say you guys set up a deal for Shattenkirk involving Tatar. Assuming the Blues take that, you can't complete it unless the Blues take salary back. That drives up the price, I would guess considerably since the Blues are trying to contend. Fowler for Tatar is another one I've seen. Again, can't be done.

I just don't see how you guys move forward as an organization without dumping salary, one way or another. It's a hard thing to do, and the deal you get isn't often in your favor.
 
VoidCreature said:
I've heard about waiving someone like Jurco as a solution to this. Is losing him for nothing a risk your team should be taking, considering where you are and what your needs are going to be in the future?
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KH and ownership have (seemingly) decided that the team's goal is to preserve the streak. "Building for the future" in any sense, revolves around that, not on winning a Cup. I (and others) don't necessarily agree with that goal, but we're not writing the checks, so all we can metaphorically do is complain.

That said, losing Jurco/Pulk/Ouellet for nothing sucks and is a waste of a resource, but it's not really like any of them are budding stars. Jurco's been ruined, Pulk is a non-factor in the NHL, and Ouellet is a bottom pairing guy, at best. It's not really like we're balancing losing Mantha or Larkin.

There's no incentive to make a bad trade, just to give KH more cap space to piss away this season.
 
VoidCreature said:
I agree Larkin has more value than Santini. Probably a lot more. But do you do the trade? Our D is looking weak as it is. We can't just keep giving away promising defenders. That's my thought process on it.
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Of course you do. There's nothing stopping you from trading Larkin for a d-man if thats what you need, and I'm sure he'd land someone a lot better than Santini (no offense to him).

Larkin is a much more valuable asset than Santini at this point in time. Its an unrealistic deal, but if offered, you make that deal every time despite what your needs are.
 
This is a rough one. I dont think NJ is a good fit for a DET cap relief trade. We have the space, but need defense, which is also a hole for Detroit No use for Jimmy Howard, so that won't work either.
 
VoidCreature said:
With LTIR, you're at around $200,000 in space. Adding Ouellet's contract, which is one way this year, puts you over by $500,000. If Pulkkinen goes on LTIR to start the season, that cancels that out. But what about when he gets healthy?

I've heard about waiving someone like Jurco as a solution to this. Is losing him for nothing a risk your team should be taking, considering where you are and what your needs are going to be in the future?

I've seen quotes that Holland wants to add a top 3 defenseman this offseason. I have no idea how he plans on doing that. Let's say you guys set up a deal for Shattenkirk involving Tatar. Assuming the Blues take that, you can't complete it unless the Blues take salary back. That drives up the price, I would guess considerably since the Blues are trying to contend. Fowler for Tatar is another one I've seen. Again, can't be done.

I just don't see how you guys move forward as an organization without dumping salary, one way or another. It's a hard thing to do, and the deal you get isn't often in your favor.
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That's what they told us about trading Datsyuk.

Furthermore other options exist to clear up cap space. Both Miller and Ott (along with their entire cap hits) can be buried in the AHL.

If you want Nyquist you better come to the table with some real value.
 
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Fear the Wushu said:
I know this whole thread is a joke but that's even worse considering Nyquist can't lick Henriques jock strap.
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This might be the best part of the thread. Both players are on the same level. Nyquist has a very slight lead in career g/g, a/g and p/g but Henrique also being a center gives extra value to even it out.

When it comes to advanced metrics, it's Henrique who couldn't even lick Nyquist's jock strap.
 
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