Confirmed Signing with Link: [NJD] D Luke Hughes signs ELC with the Devils (3 years, $925k AAV)

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I would worry about a Luke - Marino pairing in the defensive zone. Marino is incredible defending in transition and on the rush, but I’d be afraid that them two together would struggle against a forecheck.

I think the most likely scenario is it ends up being Bahl/Siegs - Marino as the shut down pair. Luke gets the third pairing duties with Smith or another addition. Nemec slow cooks in the minors for at least the beginning of next year, unless he just blows the doors off in training camp.

In an ideal world, Devils can maybe find a way to retain Graves (or perhaps a low-end second pairing guy like Gudas) on a two/three year deal allowing them to make sure Hughes or Nemec are playing with Siegenthaler, Graves, or Marino. I can’t see Graves not cashing in a long term deal as a UFA though.
Devils will need a veteran that can play, Smith isn't going to cut it once Graves and Severson are gone and it's likely way too much pressure to put on Hughes and Nemec to throw them full time into the top 6.
I'd be shocked if Fitz isn't sniffing around any available veteran D that is willing to sign on the cheap.
 

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Adding him and Semec is exciting for NJD future. Good for them. Takes a long time of being in the gutter to acquire those types of assets.
NJ definitely paid their dues from the mid 2010s to the early 2020s. I mean it sucks as an Isles fan, but from a neutral perspective, good for them for reaping the rewards for nearly a decade long period of suckage.
 

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The devils are gonna be a wagon for the next 5 years. First time I really noticed them was that random regular season game against the Avs last year. They were skating around the Avs pretty much at will for a lot of the game. While the Avs were gearing for their run, the Devils talent was very apparent.

Fun team to watch
 
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Quinn is probably very jealous that he is stuck in Vancouver while his bros are having a good time in New Jersey!
 

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Quinn is probably very jealous that he is stuck in Vancouver while his bros are having a good time in New Jersey!
The first time New Jersey has been good since Jack got drafted but sure lets make this comment now. I need to see another year of this from New Jersey before I feel comfortable calling them a perennial playoff line up.
 
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The first time New Jersey has been good since Jack got drafted but sure lets make this comment now. I need to see another year of this from New Jersey before I feel comfortable calling them a perennial playoff line up.
They may end the season second in the standings, are mostly young, and have Luke Hughes, Simon Nemec, and others in a top-5 prospect pool

They are a perennial playoff team lol
 
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The first time New Jersey has been good since Jack got drafted but sure lets make this comment now. I need to see another year of this from New Jersey before I feel comfortable calling them a perennial playoff line up.
They're one of the youngest teams in the league (with an excellent pipeline of young players still to come) and are gonna finish with 110-112 points.

It's unlikely they fall off to such an extent.
 

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Devils will need a veteran that can play, Smith isn't going to cut it once Graves and Severson are gone and it's likely way too much pressure to put on Hughes and Nemec to throw them full time into the top 6.
I'd be shocked if Fitz isn't sniffing around any available veteran D that is willing to sign on the cheap.

Are the Devils really not going to be able to find some way to retain Graves? He's obviously got great chemistry and a fit with the team, but it's hard to imagine he'd command a fortune on his new contract.


Severson i get. He's probably going to be massively overpaid on his new deal and price himself right out of NJ. But Graves seems like a guy they should be able to find a way to keep. Unless he insists on a NMC/NTC to protect himself, is he not a guy that they could sign and then eventually move if/when Hughes and Nemec both establish that they're ready to make that jump? And even then...Dougie, Marino, Siegenthaler...then young guys like Bahl/Hughes/Nemec. There should be space for most of them even with Graves re-signed.
 

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Are the Devils really not going to be able to find some way to retain Graves? He's obviously got great chemistry and a fit with the team, but it's hard to imagine he'd command a fortune on his new contract.


Severson i get. He's probably going to be massively overpaid on his new deal and price himself right out of NJ. But Graves seems like a guy they should be able to find a way to keep. Unless he insists on a NMC/NTC to protect himself, is he not a guy that they could sign and then eventually move if/when Hughes and Nemec both establish that they're ready to make that jump? And even then...Dougie, Marino, Siegenthaler...then young guys like Bahl/Hughes/Nemec. There should be space for most of them even with Graves re-signed.
Graves is just not that great. He does not play up to his size and is far worse defensively than his reputation. He is an offensive defenseman trapped in a stay-at-home D's body. He overestimates his skating and vision and frequently makes really stupid pinches, then doesn't have the speed to recover. Good shot and serviceable in his own zone, but he's absolutely atrocious at exiting the zone. Always wants to make the fancy play but fails to clear, leading to quality chances against. He is nowhere near the shutdown D people like to think he is.

The difference between Bahl and Graves is not that big, and I'm saying that as someone who is pretty skeptical of Bahl ever being more than he is right now.

I suspect Fitzgerald will add a veteran defenseman this offseason as a stopgap/mentor/partner for the young defenseman. But - I suspect it will be on the right side. Siegenthaler/Luke/Bahl/Smith is already too many bodies over there, whereas Hamilton/Marino/Nemec means you're one righty injury away from a rookie playing major minutes. It also means you either need to call up some scrub like Reilly Walsh or force Smith/Bahl onto their off side, which is a disaster waiting to happen.

If Graves wants to come back on an short term (1-2 year) contract for the same AAV then sure, but if not it's a pretty minimal loss.
 

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Are the Devils really not going to be able to find some way to retain Graves? He's obviously got great chemistry and a fit with the team, but it's hard to imagine he'd command a fortune on his new contract.


Severson i get. He's probably going to be massively overpaid on his new deal and price himself right out of NJ. But Graves seems like a guy they should be able to find a way to keep. Unless he insists on a NMC/NTC to protect himself, is he not a guy that they could sign and then eventually move if/when Hughes and Nemec both establish that they're ready to make that jump? And even then...Dougie, Marino, Siegenthaler...then young guys like Bahl/Hughes/Nemec. There should be space for most of them even with Graves re-signed.
I don't think they'll be able to because he's going to attract a lot of attention in free agency and the Devils likely won't be able willing to give him the term other teams will.
They're just highly unlikely to be willing to offer up the 5+ year deal other teams will especially if he wants NMC/NTC protection
 
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Graves is just not that great. He does not play up to his size and is far worse defensively than his reputation. He is an offensive defenseman trapped in a stay-at-home D's body. He overestimates his skating and vision and frequently makes really stupid pinches, then doesn't have the speed to recover. Good shot and serviceable in his own zone, but he's absolutely atrocious at exiting the zone. Always wants to make the fancy play but fails to clear, leading to quality chances against. He is nowhere near the shutdown D people like to think he is.

The difference between Bahl and Graves is not that big, and I'm saying that as someone who is pretty skeptical of Bahl ever being more than he is right now.

I suspect Fitzgerald will add a veteran defenseman this offseason as a stopgap/mentor/partner for the young defenseman. But - I suspect it will be on the right side. Siegenthaler/Luke/Bahl/Smith is already too many bodies over there, whereas Hamilton/Marino/Nemec means you're one righty injury away from a rookie playing major minutes. It also means you either need to call up some scrub like Reilly Walsh or force Smith/Bahl onto their off side, which is a disaster waiting to happen.

If Graves wants to come back on an short term (1-2 year) contract for the same AAV then sure, but if not it's a pretty minimal loss.

Yeah. It seems like a really awkward situation and it really is going to be interesting to see how they handle it. There's just a really clear transition point...but also trying to balance that with only bringing in so many new defenceman at a time. A lot of teams have really messed that up in the past and created lasting problems for themselves and losing good players because they tried to introduce too many young defencemen at the same time.


But at the same time...Hughes and Nemec both do seem like they're probably ready to make the jump.

I agree with what you're saying about Graves...but you also have to balance that against how good a fit he's been with Marino. The whole reason Pittsburgh moved Marino was because he was super inconsistent and couldn't necessarily find chemistry with anyone. He's clearly found a magic formula with Graves for whatever reason, that has made him a better, more valuable defenceman...even if it hasn't improved the problems with Graves. Is it worth paying Graves a bit more just to keep that fit with Marino that makes him a better player? Or do you gamble that Hughes is going to work with him, despite being a completely different sort of player? I think you want to keep Siegenthaler with Hamilton as that's worked well...but it creates a really strange transitional scenario for the Devils to deal with.
 

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Are the Devils really not going to be able to find some way to retain Graves? He's obviously got great chemistry and a fit with the team, but it's hard to imagine he'd command a fortune on his new contract.


Severson i get. He's probably going to be massively overpaid on his new deal and price himself right out of NJ. But Graves seems like a guy they should be able to find a way to keep. Unless he insists on a NMC/NTC to protect himself, is he not a guy that they could sign and then eventually move if/when Hughes and Nemec both establish that they're ready to make that jump? And even then...Dougie, Marino, Siegenthaler...then young guys like Bahl/Hughes/Nemec. There should be space for most of them even with Graves re-signed.

The devils are now a cap team. Production per dollar is going to be important. Graves' likely price tag isn't going to be insane or anything, but they can field Bahl, Hughes and Siegenthaler for probably slightly slightly more than Graves is going to command as a free agent (I'd wager those three combined account for less than 6 million of cap next year).

I'd say that most devils fans have been very pleased with the progress of Bahl this year, who has stepped up into a bigger role as the season has worn on. Luke Hughes was a top 4 overall pick. I'm definitely failing those two as every day worthy contributors next year before making a move on someone like Graves on a multi year deal or something. If one of them can't hack it next year, they will have no problem acquiring a relatively competent low rent d-man
 
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The devils are now a cap team. Production per dollar is going to be important. Graves' likely price tag isn't going to be insane or anything, but they can field Bahl, Hughes and Siegenthaler for probably slightly slightly more than Graves is going to command as a free agent (I'd wager those three combined account for less than 6 million of cap next year).

I'd say that most devils fans have been very pleased with the progress of Bahl this year, who has stepped up into a bigger role as the season has worn on. Luke Hughes was a top 4 overall pick. I'm definitely failing those two as every day worthy contributors next year before making a move on someone like Graves on a multi year deal or something. If one of them can't hack it next year, they will have no problem acquiring a relatively competent low rent d-man

Yeah. That absolutely makes sense.


I'd just wonder about how much of Marino's emergence is about how he fits with Graves specifically. It's not that he's an amazing defenceman, but sometimes you get those weird mixes where the chemistry just works and creates a much better "whole" than the "sum of it's parts". I'd be worried about upsetting the applecart in that respect.

That's seemed to be a big part of making the Devils blueline make sense, is finding that fit that puts everyone in the right spots. Marino and Graves being able to take on a lot of challenging minutes. Seems to have put Siegenthaler and Hamilton in the right space as well. It'll be a big ol' chemistry experiment trying to integrate a couple rookies in addition to Bahl who is still super inexperienced himself.
 

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Yeah. That absolutely makes sense.


I'd just wonder about how much of Marino's emergence is about how he fits with Graves specifically. It's not that he's an amazing defenceman, but sometimes you get those weird mixes where the chemistry just works and creates a much better "whole" than the "sum of it's parts". I'd be worried about upsetting the applecart in that respect.

That's seemed to be a big part of making the Devils blueline make sense, is finding that fit that puts everyone in the right spots. Marino and Graves being able to take on a lot of challenging minutes. Seems to have put Siegenthaler and Hamilton in the right space as well. It'll be a big ol' chemistry experiment trying to integrate a couple rookies in addition to Bahl who is still super inexperienced himself.
Devils are definitely in line for a bit of a set back next year just because they are likely going to transition inexperienced defenders into what has been a solid blue line next year. Similarly, some of the forwards like Tatar, Haula, Wood etc. are going to be replaced by younger forwards.

It’s a strange position for a team that turned the corner and is looking to compete, because it’s likely going to be a couple years or so before Bahl/Luke/Nemec really figure things out enough for them to be a true contender. For the forwards it’s going to be about incorporating in Holtz, Foote, Clarke, and whoever else is ready to make the jump.

For a team that really thrived on a four line, third d pairing, by committee type approach this year, the next couple years are going to be very top heavy. Probably going to be an over reliance on Hughes, Hischier, Bratt, Mercer, Meier, and Hamilton to produce until the pieces fill out around them.

Odds are at least kid or two thrives next year, maybe cushioning the transition a bit. Still going to be rough.
 
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Was discussing the possibility that Hughes spend time in the AHL this season after someone brought up Simon Nemec being sent down now that Johnathan Kovacevic has emerged as a veteran presence on the blue line for the Devils.

Rather than hijacking the Nemec thread further figured I'd comment here.

Of all the defensemen taken in the first round in his draft year, all but Hughes and Owen Power spent time in the AHL.

Given his long injury layoff, Luke would benefit from time in Utica fully developing his game - while he and Nemec likely add juice to what has been an anemic scoring Comets' team. At 6-3 and 24 years old, Danyil Misyul seems more physically fit to play diminished third pair minutes than either the still growing Simon or Luke does.
 

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Was discussing the possibility that Hughes spend time in the AHL this season after someone brought up Simon Nemec being sent down now that Johnathan Kovacevic has emerged as a veteran presence on the blue line for the Devils.

Rather than hijacking the Nemec thread further figured I'd comment here.

Of all the defensemen taken in the first round in his draft year, all but Hughes and Owen Power spent time in the AHL.

Given his long injury layoff, Luke would benefit from time in Utica fully developing his game - while he and Nemec likely add juice to what has been an anemic scoring Comets' team. At 6-3 and 24 years old, Danyil Misyul seems more physically fit to play diminished third pair minutes than either the still growing Simon or Luke does.
You think a Hughes - Pesce pairing is going to play 3rd line minutes?

That's a top pairing on about half of the teams in the league.
 

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This weird hatred you have for Jack and Luke is perplexing.
Gaurentee he's an older fan, we watched the Devils win with great 2 way players like Stevens, Elias and Niedermayer leading the way. The idea that teams can win with players that are not great defensably is hard for some to understand.
 

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Strange timing after a game that Pesce and Hughes totally dominated.

Luke played just over 17 minutes while Pesce played 20+ minutes.

Sheltering Hughes against Anaheim is one thing. Pretending he is a top two pairing defender is another story.

Gaurentee he's an older fan, we watched the Devils win with great 2 way players like Stevens, Elias and Niedermayer leading the way. The idea that teams can win with players that are not great defensably is hard for some to understand.

And what teams have won Stanley Cups without defending?
 
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