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I think I might have found another option for the redwings at left side d... cant believe I never thought of it and we have a relationship with the gm.

Lian bichsel ... 6'7 230 turns 21 this year . Yes please

Dallas have harley heiskenen and lindell on the left side already. I dont know what we can offer but the 2025 1st obviously , since they're cup contenders now ...

berggren/veleno/tarasenko 50%?/gustafsson for the right side?/copp with retention?/

I dont know but I'm liking that option

Bichsel 6'7 seider 6'3
Edvinsson 6'6 pellika 5'10
Buium 6'3/wallinder 6'4 johansson 6

Cleveland 6'5 - anton johansson 6'4

Cossa 6'6

Back end is gonna be dreadful for teams ... I'd seriously look at him as an option
 
Sorry for the length,

@The Zetterberg Era - I don't disagree with your assessment, but I very much get the impression that this is more than just a 'hard-nosed' player taking someone to task and where exactly that falls in this. Your point of VAN is a mess, and that having the face of your team as a 25yo Hughes, and a big of a revolving door of coaches to try to wrangle manage the interpersonnel relationship of Miller and Peterson is a recipe for disaster. It's a fairly large organizational failure of the front office, ownership, etc. that this wasn't managed for effectively and to allow it have go as far as it has. Relationships, management, and leadership are learned skills just like anything else and I would argue that one of the things that JT Miller has proven time and time again, is his inability to be 'a leader'.

But VAN being a mess and being responsible for this situation, doesn't make JT Miller not a key contributor to the situation.

I think he's tough, and works hard, and has had unbelievable success on the ice because of those things. But despite being as talented as he is - he's now on his fourth team in less than 8yrs. His leadership style might be effective in some capacity, but the hallmark of a good teammate, a good leader, is being able to bring out the best in those you are expected to lead and knowing when to push, when to support, when to critique, etc. The fact he has effectively worn out his welcome in so many locker rooms despite the fact he's such a premier player on the ice, tells me he's a pretty intense and difficult person and probably worse, is he shows either no self awareness of this or personal accountability that he might be the issue otherwise he might have tried a different approach.

The result is still the same that he tries to intensely force a player into performing which is was obviously not working; a wiser more effective leader should try different approaches or reach the conclusion that the individual is inherently flawed (given that the Petterson has performed in the past and has proven capable, that shouldn't be the issue here). I suspect when Miller didn't get what he wanted, he doubled down even harder. I think Miller is a badass, old school player, but I do not think he's a leader nor would I want a player like him in a locker room that didn't have a Sidney Crosby-level of credibility that was willing to keep him in check. Quite frankly, he sounds like a really passionate guy who wants to win and is a huge d*ck to anyone who can't match his intensity - which is going to be most people.

Your Yzerman/Feds example is a good one. I would expect that you dropped 31yo Miller into the Wings locker room in 98, he would've absolutely hated 28yo Fedorov and rode him mercilessly. But that wasn't Fedorov, that wasn't what motivated him. Fedorov was a bit...mercurial. He never had any ambitions to be 'the guy' in the sense of the responsibility of being the leader of the room. He was, to this day, probably the more physically talented player I have ever seen play. There was literally nothing he couldn't do when he wanted to do it and often times because he has so many gifts, it looked like he didn't care or was floating for large parts of games. He could have had 100pt seasons over and over again, Selke Trophies, hell... when he played D for the quarter of the year, he could've contended for a Norris if he made that his full time position. He was often aloof in interviews, he seemed like he cared more about dating celebrities and driving his Porsche, etc. EP isn't quite all of that but in terms of his approach and his talent, I can see why its frustrating to a guy like Miller.

The difference between Yzerman and Miller is, yes, Yzerman was intense, yes, but he also encouraged and supported his teammates. He knew what made Feds go and they would talk regularly (I know this as I would talk to Fedorov on occasion). They always had good conversations and he would encourage him - but Stevie was private in that way when dealing with these things because he was able to flex his leadership style for Fedorov (with the help of Larionov as well). The point of this is simply: just because Petterson isn't working out in the VAN situation with Miller putting him on blast in the room, etc. and him not responding to it - doesn't mean he wouldn't find the support or a better situation with the Wings. The Wings do not have anyone like Miller and in fact, I think Yzerman has gone to great lengths to purposefully eliminate certain personalities in that room and encourage others ( a good portion of my support of Copp) who are good guys who want to help the others in the room.

I do think much of EP's performance currently is due to the utter show that VAN is and a pretty bad shot to his confidence. We know he is a capable ppg 1C with incredibly high defense, do we think he can find that form with the Wings? Maybe. I think our locker room is actually pretty good with a good group of guys who get along and support one another. I also don't think Yzerman would ever allow any disputes or friction in that room to persist and he would nip it in the bud quickly.

Just my 2 cents
This is perfect. I just find Miller's attitude to be so silly. I'm sure that he thinks he's doing a smart cost-benefit tradeoff. At the expense of being unpleasant, he hopes to win more. The problem is that he makes his team worse around him and they end up losing because of it. The supposed benefit he's seeking is being prevented by his attitude. So now it's just all cost. Every team eventually comes to the conclusion that despite being a fantastic player, he's a net negative and needs to be moved.

If his priority was actually winning, then he'd have noticed by now that he's preventing that from happening and change. He's had opportunities to learn this lesson, but repeatedly failed to do so. He's either so stupid that he can't put two and two together or has so much ego that he refuses to adapt. Either way, if we're going to mention character 100,000 times at every draft, trade deadline, and free agency press conference, I don't see how we can even consider Miller.
 
No thanks to Binnington at any cost. Even with his win at the 4 Nations, he let in a number of really weak goals during the tourney and I only watched half of 1 game and highlights in 2 others, he didn't look good at all. That and his recent NHL performances aren't good at all.
 
I think I might have found another option for the redwings at left side d... cant believe I never thought of it and we have a relationship with the gm.

Lian bichsel ... 6'7 230 turns 21 this year . Yes please

Dallas have harley heiskenen and lindell on the left side already. I dont know what we can offer but the 2025 1st obviously , since they're cup contenders now ...

berggren/veleno/tarasenko 50%?/gustafsson for the right side?/copp with retention?/

I dont know but I'm liking that option

Bichsel 6'7 seider 6'3
Edvinsson 6'6 pellika 5'10
Buium 6'3/wallinder 6'4 johansson 6

Cleveland 6'5 - anton johansson 6'4

Cossa 6'6

Back end is gonna be dreadful for teams ... I'd seriously look at him as an option
So bichsel was HEAVILY scouted by the red wings in his draft year. They wanted him bad. With that said, most Dallas fans feel that he is untouchable. To acquire him you’re looking at having to move a significant piece. As bad as I’d want him, it just doesn’t seem very realistic. Besides, a young dman as good as bichsel basically never get moved, they will just move one of their dmen to their off hand.
 
No thanks to Binnington at any cost. Even with his win at the 4 Nations, he let in a number of really weak goals during the tourney and I only watched half of 1 game and highlights in 2 others, he didn't look good at all. That and his recent NHL performances aren't good at all.

I'm not seeing why we would be interested in any goalie. Talbot and Lyon have been good for us this year, and we have Cossa knocking on the door with Augustine close behind. If we're dealing with St. Louis, I think we'd be looking at a D.
 
So bichsel was HEAVILY scouted by the red wings in his draft year. They wanted him bad. With that said, most Dallas fans feel that he is untouchable. To acquire him you’re looking at having to move a significant piece. As bad as I’d want him, it just doesn’t seem very realistic. Besides, a young dman as good as bichsel basically never get moved, they will just move one of their dmen to their off hand.
I had no idea we were looking at him on his draft year. Seen they had heiskenen harley lindell already on the left side , no idea if any can go on the right

Hes turning 21 so hed be here a long time... I'd obviously try and get a deal done without moving this player but if we can guarantee 100% we're locking up trent Frederic as 3c lets say would you do danielson for bichsel ??
 
So bichsel was HEAVILY scouted by the red wings in his draft year. They wanted him bad. With that said, most Dallas fans feel that he is untouchable. To acquire him you’re looking at having to move a significant piece. As bad as I’d want him, it just doesn’t seem very realistic. Besides, a young dman as good as bichsel basically never get moved, they will just move one of their dmen to their off hand.
I think he is going to be traded, I just don't think we have a dman they are interested in for this. Would I love to eat half of Chiarot's salary and add something else to go get Bishsel. I know that wouldn't be a move for this season but it would setup a decade on the backend.
 
Pellika cements himself as a 3rd pairing dman for 4-5 years??. Finding someone on the left side top 4 I would think would be the priority
No, ASP pushes Parayko down in the lineup eventually. But Parayko has NTC, so it's unlikely to happen. Faulk more likely would waive his clause.

I don't see LHD being the priority, AlJo can just as easily play on the left side. AlJo in the 1st pair pushes Chiarot in the 3rd with Gus/Holl and that opens up spot for RHD in the 2nd pair. RHD is priority IMO.
 
No, ASP pushes Parayko down in the lineup eventually. But Parayko has NTC, so it's unlikely to happen. Faulk more likely would waive his clause.

I don't see LHD being the priority, AlJo can just as easily play on the left side. AlJo in the 1st pair pushes Chiarot in the 3rd with Gus/Holl and that opens up spot for RHD in the 2nd pair. RHD is priority IMO.
We'd then have a 6.5 dman in the 3rd pair for like 3 yrs . I'd love that if we had no cap

Albert's been doing well with edvinsson I dont doubt hes a good dman but maybe he just has chemistry with edvinsson? Can we rely on him to be on the top pair for 82 games for a decade ??

Still alot of question Mark's for me ... guess we'll have to agree to disagree on this one as the left side for me is a bigger priority. Albert on the 3rd pair makes us stronger overall when pellika comes over (assuming he doesnt bust)

Miller/bichsel/? Seider
Edvinsson pellika

A top 4 of that with Johansson right or left side with another partner yet to be determined looks real good to me. Again this is just my opinion, wtf do I know

Look forward to seeing what yzerman does cause I think somethings coming. I'd have np getting someone on the right side but would have to be someone with 2-3 years term left
 

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