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This is one of the worst offers I've ever seen and that's saying something. You think Montreal wouldn't take that?


Who obviously shouldn't be talking about stuff if this is the type of crap that comes out.

Caufield is producing in the NHL at top line production and you think your futures are going to be gems for sure?

Sure, tell me all about Nemec, Holtz, and a 15+ 1st. Remember when Ty Smith was going to be a top pairing stud? I value Nemec and Holtz but lets steer clear of projecting them to top of the line-up assets with no chance they disappoint.

How about we offer Slaf, Mesar, and Panthers 1st for J Hughes? You would be stupid to turn that down right? :laugh:
 

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Middle of the pack when it comes to goals. Like someone else said he doesn't do much if he isn't scoring.

Explain your middle of the pack narrative?

* 16 goals in 27 games so far this year (prorates to 49 goals over 82 games)
* 22 goals in 37 games with MSL last year (prorates to 49 goals over 82 games)
* 38 goals in his last 64 games

Sorry but your statement is just as bad as saying McDavid isn't doing much if he is not putting up points. 3.20 giveaways/60
 
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That would be an insane offer and one I would have to think about for a long time. I would probably refuse it, but I don't see how the Devils would offer something ridiculous like that. Their first rounders will be used for pieces they need at the deadline for a cup run.

But man, it would be hard to refuse. it's just that I really really like Caufield.
 

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Habs can't trade Caufield right now. Rebuilding teams shouldn't be trading 21 year olds with high potential, regardless of the return.

From Jersey's perspective Caufield is definitely not worth 2 firsts, a 7th overall pick from 2 years ago and last year's 2nd overall pick. Like others have stated, Jersey could get a much better player with that package
 

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Dude, you knew the answer would be a resounding no, but you dove right in?

I threw out the best package that makes sense from NJ perspective for Caufield.

Never once said I expected Montreal to like it.

If Montreal doesn't like it, then you move on, no deal to be had.

That's how it works pal.

That would be an insane offer and one I would have to think about for a long time. I would probably refuse it, but I don't see how the Devils would offer something ridiculous like that. Their first rounders will be used for pieces they need at the deadline for a cup run.

But man, it would be hard to refuse. it's just that I really really like Caufield.

Fitzgerald would be fired on the spot if he did something like that lol.
 

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Caufield is producing in the NHL at top line production and you think your futures are going to be gems for sure?

Sure, tell me all about Nemec, Holtz, and a 15+ 1st. Remember when Ty Smith was going to be a top pairing stud? I value Nemec and Holtz but lets steer clear of projecting them to top of the line-up assets with no chance they disappoint.

How about we offer Slaf, Mesar, and Panthers 1st for J Hughes? You would be stupid to turn that down right? He is a top pairing stud, he bacame John Marino!!!!!!!
 

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Another joke post. If he was better Montreal would have drafted him over Slafkovsky.
These Habs fans are cracking me up in this thread. Two words for you, Galchenyuk and Kotkaniemi. The Habs organization deserves no benefit of the doubt when it comes to high picks.

I’ve never seen a player as overrated as Caulfield in this thread. It’s crazy that a guy with the same number of points as Back 9 Blake Wheeler who according to just about everyone on this site for the past 6 months is somewhere between a boat anchor and absolutely useless.

I need to know, what is Caufield‘s next contract look like on an 8 year deal? Habs fans only please.
 

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These Habs fans are cracking me up in this thread. Two words for you, Galchenyuk and Kotkaniemi. The Habs organization deserves no benefit of the doubt when it comes to high picks.

I’ve never seen a player as overrated as Caulfield in this thread. It’s crazy that a guy with the same number of points as Back 9 Blake Wheeler who according to just about everyone on this site for the past 6 months is somewhere between a boat anchor and absolutely useless.

I need to know, what is Caufield‘s next contract look like on an 8 year deal? Habs fans only please.
hopefully something close to what Suzuki got
 

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The takes in this thread are crazy, Jack Hughes and Cole Caufield are on the same level? Hughes is twice the player Caufield is.
Montreal would turn this offer down? Sure they may do that, but it'd be the wrong choice.

I honestly have no idea why this thread hasn't been shut down, there is zero interest from either team
 

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These Habs fans are cracking me up in this thread. Two words for you, Galchenyuk and Kotkaniemi. The Habs organization deserves no benefit of the doubt when it comes to high picks.

I’ve never seen a player as overrated as Caulfield in this thread. It’s crazy that a guy with the same number of points as Back 9 Blake Wheeler who according to just about everyone on this site for the past 6 months is somewhere between a boat anchor and absolutely useless.

I need to know, what is Caufield‘s next contract look like on an 8 year deal? Habs fans only please.

You would be speaking a different tune if Caufield was on your team. The kid has scored goals in a historical rate his entire career and has proven this in the NHL so far. Caufield is not overrated. Keep trying. Naming names like Chucky, KK and Wheeler is comical. Weak context for you to use. Very weak. I'll help you... Debrincat would be better devalue for you to use.

Caufield is likely to get something around Suzuki's contract. Habs own 5 RFA years.

Most of you are looking at Nemec and Holtz as sure shot hits which is possible but not guaranteed. Caufield has done more than them both pre NHL and Post NHL. You don't trade a guy showing 40+ goal production in the NHL at age 21 for hope.

This can age badly yes but that's a two way street, not a one way street.
 
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when did he score 40-50 goals?
honestly no offence but for that price I think they could do much much better than Caufield.
Caufield looks like a fun goal scorer but hardly what NJ needs. too much of an ask for a guy if isn't scoring doesnt do much else

I think he's referring to Caufield scoring 22 in 37 games after St. Louis showed up. Since being named coach, Caufield has scored 38 goals in 64 games. That's a 49 goal pace.

And the Devil's pick this year, depending on their playoff performance, will be at best in the high 20s. So the offer is somewhere around 20-25OA x 2, Holtz and Nemec. The picks don't move the needle much for Montreal; they;ve had the most draft picks of any team in the NHL over the last three years. They have Florida's first this draft, and Calgary's in either 24 or 25. I think it's way too early to think Holtz has no value, he's only 20. But I agree that Nemec is the centerpiece of this deal. From a straight value point of view, Montreal does it.

However, we're not concerned with straight value. Their prospect depth is insane on defence. Even graduating Guhle, Xhekaj and Harris this year, they still have Barron, Norlinder, Mailloux, and Struble still in the system. It's hardly an area of need, even though we are pretty loaded on the left side as opposed to the right (only Mailloux and Harris shoot right). They've got a ton of wingers now, but within 2 years most of them will be gone. Realistically their future on the wings is Caufield and Slavkofsky. Anderson feels like he'll be traded, Gallagher will man the 3rd/4th line until his contract is done, and everyone else will be a UFA within the next 2 years.

If I'm Hughes, I think real long and hard about the proposal, and ultimately probably take it, only if I'm convinced that Holtz has a future.
 
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The takes in this thread are crazy, Jack Hughes and Cole Caufield are on the same level? Hughes is twice the player Caufield is.
Montreal would turn this offer down? Sure they may do that, but it'd be the wrong choice.

I honestly have no idea why this thread hasn't been shut down, there is zero interest from either team

Caufield is not the same level as J Hughes but double the player? I don't think so.

Lafreniere and Kakko
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Not saying they disappoint for sure but why are Nemec and Holtz pegged as better than Caufield? It's probable Caufield is a top line winger while Holtz is a 2nd or 3rd line winger and Nemec is a 2nd pairing D? Devils pick is likely to be 20+ which is hard to guess.

It will be interesting to look back in 3 years and see who is the best player from them all? Usually, when you trade the best player, you loose the trade.
 

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Caufield is producing in the NHL at top line production and you think your futures are going to be gems for sure?

Sure, tell me all about Nemec, Holtz, and a 15+ 1st. Remember when Ty Smith was going to be a top pairing stud? I value Nemec and Holtz but lets steer clear of projecting them to top of the line-up assets with no chance they disappoint.

How about we offer Slaf, Mesar, and Panthers 1st for J Hughes? You would be stupid to turn that down right? :laugh:
I’m sorry but Caulfield isn’t even on Hughes level. Caulfield is a better goal scorer but even that is slight. Hughes is one of the best play drivers in the league, elite playmaker, and can dominate shifts.
Mesar also isn’t nearly as valuable as Holtz.

What a god awful comparison.

Hughes (much more valuable, not even on the same planet)
For:
Slaf (similar but more valuable than Nemec)
Mesar (significantly less value than Holtz)
1 1st (vs 2)

so you’re comparison is a much lesser package for a significantly more valuable player.

The Devils would be stupid to do that trade. A Caulfield for Nemec straight up is a more reasonable discussion but I probably wouldn’t even do that because Nemec has elite #1 potential and would be much more valuable than Caulfield if he hits it.

Caufield is not the same level as J Hughes but double the player? I don't think so.

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Not saying they disappoint for sure but why are Nemec and Holtz pegged as better than Caufield? It's probable Caufield is a top line winger while Holtz is a 2nd or 3rd line winger and Nemec is a 2nd pairing D? Devils pick is likely to be 20+ which is hard to guess.

It will be interesting to look back in 3 years and see who is the best player from them all? Usually, when you trade the best player, you loose the trade.
Huh how is Nemec likely a 2nd pair D? He just got taken 2nd overall and without a doubt has #1 potential. 2nd pair is probably his realistic floor.

And Hughes is more than double the player Caulfield is. He does everything better except for shooting but even that is close.
 

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These Habs fans are cracking me up in this thread. Two words for you, Galchenyuk and Kotkaniemi. The Habs organization deserves no benefit of the doubt when it comes to high picks.

I’ve never seen a player as overrated as Caulfield in this thread. It’s crazy that a guy with the same number of points as Back 9 Blake Wheeler who according to just about everyone on this site for the past 6 months is somewhere between a boat anchor and absolutely useless.

I need to know, what is Caufield‘s next contract look like on an 8 year deal? Habs fans only please.
I'm guessing it will come between 8.25 and 8.5 for eight years. Sure they'd like to get it around Suzuki's cap hit, but his was signed 2 years ago, and the cap is projected for some sharp increases in the coming years. And let's be frank, Caufield is demonstrating that he's going to be value for the deal he gets. The longer it takes, the higher the number.

Completely unrelated, how happy do you think Dallas is with Robertson's bridge deal instead of the full 8?
 

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I’m sorry but Caulfield isn’t even on Hughes level. Caulfield is a better goal scorer but even that is slight. Hughes is one of the best play drivers in the league, elite playmaker, and can dominate shifts.
Mesar also isn’t nearly as valuable as Holtz.

What a god awful comparison.

Hughes (much more valuable, not even on the same planet)
For:
Slaf (similar but more valuable than Nemec)
Mesar (significantly less value than Holtz)
1 1st (vs 2)

so you’re comparison is a much lesser package for a significantly more valuable player.

The Devils would be stupid to do that trade. A Caulfield for Nemec straight up is a more reasonable discussion but I probably wouldn’t even do that because Nemec has elite #1 potential and would be much more valuable than Caulfield if he hits it.

I don't care about the J Hughes level. Don't pin all Habs fans on that same thought. Caufield is not J Hughes but he's not half the player either. Some really stupid spins going on by both fan bases at the moment. The counter was humor but you you went deep in it and overlooked the point. You don't trade someone producing very well at a young age in the NHL for hopefuls.... even if you like the hopefuls a lot.

Nemec, Holtz, and Devils 1st is like Guhle, Roy, and Mesar to us and No, I'm not trading Caufield for that. Wait, quickly go check where they were drafted. Don't reply with your where they were picked trade value cause it won't work with me.

Caufield is the best player in that package today and who knows how it ages. It could age badly in two different directions, not just one... like you and other Devils fans are trying to say it will be.
 

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Caufield is not the same level as J Hughes but double the player? I don't think so.

Lafreniere and Kakko
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Nemec and Holtz

Not saying they disappoint for sure but why are Nemec and Holtz pegged as better than Caufield? It's probable Caufield is a top line winger while Holtz is a 2nd or 3rd line winger and Nemec is a 2nd pairing D? Devils pick is likely to be 20+ which is hard to guess.

It will be interesting to look back in 3 years and see who is the best player from them all? Usually, when you trade the best player, you loose the trade.

Twice the player, maybe not but he's over twice as valuable of an asset.
Every time I watch Caufield he's cheating for offense, doesn't back check at all. If he's not scoring, you don't notice he's playing.
Hughes on the other hand is noticeable every time he's on the ice.

Where did I say Nemec and Holtz are better than Caufield?

I get Montreal fans overrate their players, just like everyone else but this would be the biggest package of controllable assets traded for a single player ever.

I do love the late 1st nonsense everyone throws around when it's not their pick though.
 

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I don't care about the J Hughes level. Don't pin all Habs fans on that same thought. Caufield is not J Hughes but he's not half the player either. Some really stupid spins going on by both fan bases at the moment. The counter was humor but you you went deep in it and overlooked the point. You don't trade someone producing very well at a young age in the NHL for hopefuls.... even if you like the hopefuls a lot.

Nemec, Holtz, and Devils 1st is like Guhle, Roy, and Mesar to us and No, I'm not trading Caufield for that. Wait, quickly go check where they were drafted. Don't reply with your where they were picked trade value cause it won't work with me.

Caufield is the best player in that package today and who knows how it ages. It could age badly in two different directions, not just one... like you and other Devils fans are trying to say it will be.
What? I didn’t go deep into it. I took one look at it and it was a really stupid comparison. And you absolutely do if the hopefuls have significantly more value and are likely to be more valuable down the line.

Holy crab another absurd comparison. Guhle isn’t remotely comparable to or on Nemec’s level. Doesn’t really matter where they were picked even though I already know. Guhle is not nearly as valuable. Sorry reality doesn’t work with you.
 

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Huh how is Nemec likely a 2nd pair D? He just got taken 2nd overall and without a doubt has #1 potential. 2nd pair is probably his realistic floor.

And Hughes is more than double the player Caulfield is. He does everything better except for shooting but even that is close.

How? Go see Bob M comments pre draft. You can peg Nemec as a 1st pairing guy if you wish but Habs are not doing that with Slaf (well not all of us). It's likely both are top of the line-up assets but not dominate top line or top pairing studs.

Bob interviews actual scouts and the narrative heading into that draft was they had 2nd tier type potential and a chance one or two is better. You're taking that "chance' to the bank and that's comical cause you would not think twice to throw out a "Habs overrate our prospects" narrative.

Hughes is not double the player Caufield is. Keep dreaming. Better yes but spare me with the exaggeration
 
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Hilarious to Habs fans using Ty Smith as an example of incorrectly projecting a young player on small sample size....and then immediately projecting Cole Caufield as a 50 goal scorer.
 

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Twice the player, maybe not but he's over twice as valuable of an asset.
Every time I watch Caufield he's cheating for offense, doesn't back check at all. If he's not scoring, you don't notice he's playing.
Hughes on the other hand is noticeable every time he's on the ice.

Where did I say Nemec and Holtz are better than Caufield?

I get Montreal fans overrate their players, just like everyone else but this would be the biggest package of controllable assets traded for a single player ever.

I do love the late 1st nonsense everyone throws around when it's not their pick though.

I'm not talking about the J Hughes vs Caufield anymore than this. Hughes is a 1st line center and Caufield is a 1st line winger. Centers have more value. This is where it needs to stop.

Caufield is the best player in that package today. Who knows how that ages but it could go two ways. Not just one way and you know it.

Montreal don't overrate our players any more than Devils or other fan bases do. You know like another poster saying Nemec is a #1 or #2 at a min? That kind of overate? Go look up what Bob said about this past draft and ignore it if you wish
 
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No way, I dont want to trade Caufield for ANYTHING of NJ. NJ just dont have what it takes.
Does anybody trade away any 40-50 goal 21 year old 1st line forward ??? Just to put the right spin on this.
even if you offer 3 late round 1st rounders, that MIGHT and MAYBE be a 40-50 goal guy. remember I already have one in Caufield no if's and maybes about it.. He is already mine and will be for 8 more years at least
Why do you think YOU WANT HIM in the first place.
Talk about counting your chickens before they've hatched.
 
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