Nils Lundkvist vs. Evan Bouchard
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Solid poll. Can't blame anyone for picking Bouchard. Nils is so hyped for his accolades in the SHL, and deservingly so. I want to believe he has the Adam Fox IQ, but there's always too much David Rundblad PTSD.
The only wrong answer here is when people say AINEC.
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LOL, is this some intentional hypocrisy or...?
So you take the majority opinion about the prospects in a poll, but you've somehow ignored the endless posting about how shit our defense is?
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Nurse is clowned for that contract and most consider him lesser 1 D or a 2D. Barrie is repeatedly clowned for being a quasi-forward who was a tire fire in Toronto, people clowned him after his playoff performance vs WPG. Oilers are 100% clowned for bringing in Keith because he's "washed". Most people seem to have us finishing between 2-4th in our division because our D and goal tending is suspect. Ironically, the only people who give our D any semblance of credit are "Kid Oilers Homerboy's", even on our boards it's split between people that have hope for the D and people who think it's an imminent disaster. Not sure how you've come to conclusion that these players are a "high bar", in deviation from the majority opinion.
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Barrie will be ahead of Bouchard on the PP for the foreseeable future, just like Fox will be ahead of Lundkvist.
At even strength, both are likely to play 3rd pair minutes this year. Beyond this year, we'll see. Some have suggested that Lundkvist could play the left side, but I doubt that happens this early in his career. The right side on the 3rd pair is basically his to take, with his only real competition being Schneider, who would likely benefit more by playing top minutes in the AHL this year.
Obviously Ranger fans are going to like their guy, and Edmonton fans are going to like their guy, but I don't think anyone really knows which will end up better. This year should give us some insight, but it may take a few years to get a clearer picture.
That had nothing to do with it.
it was him posting how two LD will prevent bouchard from getting playing time
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I don't think Lundkvist is a surefire 1D or anything but I never liked Bouchard even going into his draft. Also he's ugly. Lundvkist AINEC
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This is New York. Gotta be at least a 8/10 or we're not having you on our team.
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He’s got a heavy stride like Eichel or Hayes, but he navigates well in-tight and his acceleration is par for the course. I’m a Rangers/Lundkvist fan, but since at least his draft year Bouchard’s skating has been unfairly assessed simply because he doesn’t look like he’s hustling.
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Ehh not by much honestly. He’s better defensively and physically than Bouchard. Their shots are both elite for defensemen, Nils has the better one timer and Bouchard has the better wrist shot and ability to navigate his shots to the net. I’d give the edge to Bouchard but that’s only because Nils developed an elite shot out of seemingly nowhere recently while Bouchard’s shot has been elite for a while now. Bouchard has higher hockey IQ too but Nils isn’t lacking in that department, he’s a smart defenseman but IQ is Bouchard’s best trait probably. Overall, I’d go with Nils but Bouchard has higher upside
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How does Lundkvist compare to Miller ? I have not watched Lundkvist play but really was impressed with what I saw from Miller. Who is projected to be better of the two?
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Miller by far. Lundkvist is more of a safe defenseman that’s a lock to become a two way top 4 D that’s good at everything.
K’Andre has upside to be a Norris caliber defenseman. He only started playing defense at age 16 and this past season he had moments where he was absolutely bullying guys like Crosby and Barzal
Here’s my favorite clip of Miller that showcases his tools. The guy he’s throwing with ease is Michael McLeod who’s a big kid. How many rookie defensemen can do something like this?
K’Andre has everything you want in a defenseman. 6’5, elite skater, elite shot, and he wasn’t even supposed to be NHL ready this season as he’s very raw but he developed his defense ahead of schedule. I genuinely think he becomes a top 20 defenseman in the league. Call me a homer if you’d like idc but K’Andre will be a very special player that I wouldn’t trade unless I’m getting a Heiskanen level defenseman or better back in a trade
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Gonna go complete opposite of what Lays said and say Lundkvist is the far better prospect, both offensively & defensively.
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Bouchard handily. Even if you think Nils is a better prospect Bouchard is in a ridiculously good situation for his skill set. His outlet passing and point shot are already high end nhl caliber and he will be playing on a team with Conor McDavid and Leon Draisaitl. When he eventually usurps Barrie on the top PP unit he will challenge for the points and goals lead for D men every year.
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Nils will be on a team with Panarin and Zibanejad, who are no slouches either. Will Bouchard be on the ice with McDavid and/or Draisaitl at even strength? They just signed Barrie to a 3 year deal, so when are you expecting Bouchard to take his spot on the PP?
I think their situations are pretty comparable. The biggest difference is that Nils could be a trade piece to get us a center, since we have Schneider as well. But that could ultimately put him in an even better position to succeed.
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Forget which you voted for or who you think will be a better player. The "almost 22" is younger and had a contract where he couldn't play here in North America.. So those 21 NHL games for Bouchard doesn't hold a lot of weight over Lundkvist, especially the easier to make defense on the Oilers. Posters keep pointing out that Lundkvist wasn't playing in the NHL yet.. Yes, because he signed a contract...Lol no he is not.
In what world is Lundkvist the same as a all world CHL defenseman who has 2 years of pro experience, bigger , better shot, and plays in North America
A 5'10 inch defenseman who is almost 22 playing overseas in an inferior league is at the same level ?
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Pavel Buchnevich
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That post he made was very inflammatory.
I’m a Rangers fan and chose Bouchard because I think he’s slightly better, but Lundkvist is very good. I think he may end up better because I think the Oilers won’t give Bouchard enough of a chance to develop into a good player and the Rangers have been elite at developing defensemen in recent years.
Still, both are good and the results show that it could go either way. Starting the discussion by calling those who choose Lundkvist homers is ridiculous and the real homer take.
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As voted on by head coaches, team captains, experts/journalist etc.:
Persson, Virtanen and Seider were the top 3 this year.
Curran, Kinvall and Gustafsson were the top 3 last year.
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I think Miller struggled this season more than most want to admit. Rookie year so you should expect some bad communication, bad reads, and just clear mistakes adjusting to the NHL level, but I didn't like his transition skating. Miller is not a slow skater, but anytime he had to transition from backwards - forwards with an attacking player coming down the wing, he often got beat because the transition was so bad and slow. Miller has nice clapper but his best asset in his tool-box is the long reach. He can poke-check the puck very easily. Not really physical despite being 6'4/6'5. Will lay a hit here and there but when it comes to board battles or knocking players off the puck, he tends to simple poke-check instead of playing the body.
I'll get slack for this from NYR fans but in college he reminded me of a taller Brady Skjei, making bad reads/pinches all over the ice taking himself out of position. It should also be worth noting that Miller only had about 2 or so seasons as a defensemen before being drafted. He switched to defense because his team needed another D and he kept that position. Hopefully he's a really fast learner and can adjust some of those mistakes.
