Nils Lundkvist vs. Evan Bouchard

[The Moose is Loose]

so why even have this poll/debate at all if no ones truly watched both extensively enough to compare. All we can say is that both are young up and coming offensive dmen whove both done well in their respective leagues.... I mean, we wont know who the best of the two are for several more years most likely.

Well most of what we have to go on is their stats in lower leagues than the NHL. An argument which favors Bouchard

 

[amnesiac]

Well most of what we have to go on is their stats in lower leagues than the NHL. An argument which favors Bouchard

I mean Lundkvist was the best Dman in the SHL at age 20... thats definitely something worth noting. Also had 8P in 7GP in the WJC.

Pettersson was the best in that league too dont forget.

 

[McFlash97]

Damn, you must enjoy being a glutton for punishment, lol.

When you have to go that long like 100 years, you know the Oilers have been a running joke for a long time. Maybe the NHL should give your team another top pick, lol. Can't even win anything with McD and Drai on your team, smh.

Win a playoff series one of these years for starters, lol. Then get back to me.

Ah now we see all that bottled up hatred is coming from. We apologize for Leon and Connor spanking this league in the regular season every year.
Soon enough it will happen in the playoffs too.
They were one Kesler pad lift away from the conference finals. They will win a cup or 2. Hold your horses.

So much salt

 

[Rangerfan4life90]

Ah now we see all that bottled up hatred is coming from. We apologize for Leon and Connor spanking this league in the regular season every year.
Soon enough it will happen in the playoffs too.
They were one Kesler pad lift away from the conference finals. They will win a cup or 2. Hold your horses.

So much salt

Lol, I don't even care what the Oilers do or don't do or what they may or may not end up doing. 0 hatred for them really. They aren't a divisional rival for starters.

 

[Machinehead]

I don't understand why this thread is so hostile. I prefer Lundkvist right now because I'm a huge believer in him but I also really like Bouchard.

 

[McRpro]

I know very little about Lundkvist other than the fact he is 5'10". Because of that reason and the fact Bouchard plays for the team I cheer for I have no other option than to vote for the Oilers prospect in this HF boards poll.

 

[EdJovanovski]

I know very little about Lundkvist other than the fact he is 5'10". Because of that reason and the fact Bouchard plays for the team I cheer for I have no other option than to vote for the Oilers prospect in this HF boards poll.

A lot of people see Lundkvist is Swedish, 5’10” & look at this stats; and have a mental picture about what kind of player he is. But he’s a more defensive defenseman than he is offensive. He’s physical as well. When we drafted him the question was whether he had enough skill, his two way play was always great. Then the offense came seemingly out of nowhere

 

[BB06]

Bouchard can't skate and is almost a full year older.

 

[The Moose is Loose]

I don't understand why this thread is so hostile. I prefer Lundkvist right now because I'm a huge believer in him but I also really like Bouchard.

That’s what happens when two extremists disagree…

 

[CommaSynapse]

These threads always turn into "My prospect is better. Do you even watch anything other than your team?" pissing matches.

I like both players. No question I'm both a big Nils fan and a big Rangers fan. I like a lot of our defensive prospects and it's the main strength of our prospect pool. That said, Nils is the best defensive prospect in our system. The other argument might be for Schneider, but Nils has taken progressive steps each year in Sweden's highest level and broken several records in the process.

Bouchard does have the NHL track record thus far, and it does remain to be seen how effectively Nils' game will transition to North America. Nils has, however, played top minutes in the top league in Sweden, which is still a good league, mind you.

Bouchard has played NHL hockey this season, but also played 14 games of pretty sheltered minutes (almost 70% OZ starts). He positions well, but I'd love to see him be more physical. He definitely has the size for it, and obviously has the IQ and offense to be a top-tier contributor.

Anyway, I think they're two very good young defensemen, though the entire thing is up in the air until we see what Nils can do. Reasons to be excited for both.

 

[Bounces R Way]

Both are extremely overrated in my eyes.

 

[Del Preston]

Bouchard can't skate and is almost a full year older.

Have you watched a shift of his in the last three years?

 

[Tad Mikowsky]

Ah now we see all that bottled up hatred is coming from. We apologize for Leon and Connor spanking this league in the regular season every year.
Soon enough it will happen in the playoffs too.
They were one Kesler pad lift away from the conference finals. They will win a cup or 2. Hold your horses.

So much salt

You give Oilers fans a bad reputation with shit like this.

 

[Pavels Dog]

I mean Lundkvist was the best Dman in the SHL at age 20... thats definitely something worth noting.

Definitely worth noting he's never been the best d-man in the SHL, not even top 3.

This is close, voted Bouchard but I'm in the camp of "both are overrated". I see 2nd pairing upside with both, likely mixing good stuff with frustrations.

 

[amnesiac]

Definitely worth noting he's never been the best d-man in the SHL, not even top 3.

This is close, voted Bouchard but I'm in the camp of "both are overrated". I see 2nd pairing upside with both, likely mixing good stuff with frustrations.

Did he not win best Dman last season?

 

[Pavels Dog]

Did he not win best Dman last season?

There's lots of confusion because they're bad at communicating, but Lundkvist won the "Best swedishborn d-man" award (aka Salming Trophy).

 

[Tobias Kahun]

Damn, you must enjoy being a glutton for punishment, lol.

When you have to go that long like 100 years, you know the Oilers have been a running joke for a long time. Maybe the NHL should give your team another top pick, lol. Can't even win anything with McD and Drai on your team, smh.

Win a playoff series one of these years for starters, lol. Then get back to me.

Didn’t your team just draft 2 and then 1?
Glass houses and such

 

[zar]

what are you? 14 years old?

even the prospect poll had Lundkvist 15th and Bouchard 21st.... I think Ill go with the majority opinion of dozens and not just some kid Oilers homerboy.

Which prospect poll? If you mean HF.... HF, where most of the posters are 14 years old or have the mentality of a 14 year old.

How many people who are commenting have truly watched more that 10 games of Lundkvist?

I truly have no idea who will be better. I have only seen Lundqvist play 2 games... I am definitely leaning on scouting reports, which seems favorable to him being an NHL level talent.

I voted Bouchard because he has shown the most at an AHL/NHL level in a North American hockey-style. Buchard's skating is average at best and his defensive side of the game is not his strongest attribute. His puck handing, offensive game and shot are definitely above average.

 

[zar]

I don't understand why this thread is so hostile. I prefer Lundkvist right now because I'm a huge believer in him but I also really like Bouchard.

Agree with you questioning the unnecessary hostility. If they were both NHL players, where everyone could watch them in comparable situations - fair enough. but at this point I bet most people commenting haven't watched BOTH players for 20+ games. Have an opinion but to get into deep pissing matches.... I don't get it.

 

[zar]

Definitely worth noting he's never been the best d-man in the SHL, not even top 3.

This is close, voted Bouchard but I'm in the camp of "both are overrated". I see 2nd pairing upside with both, likely mixing good stuff with frustrations.

I agree with your likely projections.

 

[John Johnson]

Everyone in this thread be like

 

[amnesiac]

Which prospect poll? If you mean HF.... HF, where most of the posters are 14 years old or have the mentality of a 14 year old.

How many people who are commenting have truly watched more that 10 games of Lundkvist?

I truly have no idea who will be better. I have only seen Lundqvist play 2 games... I am definitely leaning on scouting reports, which seems favorable to him being an NHL level talent.

I voted Bouchard because he has shown the most at an AHL/NHL level in a North American hockey-style. Buchard's skating is average at best and his defensive side of the game is not his strongest attribute. His puck handing, offensive game and shot are definitely above average.

for one, no the majority of posters arent 14. Are they all experts? no. But Id rather see a list compiled from about 100 individual votes from the average fan than from just one person thats not an expert. Doesnt mean Lundkvist is better, but its up for debate, no doubt, as youve pointed out.

Bottom line is that its ridiculous for these Oilers homers to state that Bouchard is "easily" the better prospect. I think you can agree with that.

 

[McPoyle]

Lot of heat in here. Both are good prospects. I fully expect Bouchard to light it up next season. Can't wait to see him feathering stretch passes to McDavid at full stride.

 

[zar]

for one, no the majority of posters arent 14. Are they all experts? no. But Id rather see a list compiled from about 100 individual votes from the average fan than from just one person thats not an expert. Doesnt mean Lundkvist is better, but its up for debate, no doubt, as youve pointed out.

Bottom line is that its ridiculous for these Oilers homers to state that Bouchard is "easily" the better prospect. I think you can agree with that.

"where most of the posters are 14 years old or have the mentality of a 14 year old."

I didn't single out any fan base... both fanbases are making ignorant comments in this thread. There might be the odd poster who has watched enough of both players to have a strong debate position. Everyone is entitled to their opinion but very few have the knowledge of both players to be arguing vehemently on either side of the debate.

 

[amnesiac]

"where most of the posters are 14 years old or have the mentality of a 14 year old."

I didn't single out any fan base... both fanbases are making ignorant comments in this thread. There might be the odd poster who has watched enough of both players to have a strong debate position. Everyone is entitled to their opinion but very few have the knowledge of both players to be arguing vehemently on either side of the debate.

most posters dont have the mentality of a 14 year old either. What I would say is that there is a lot of bias passed a certain point in the voting, which is expected. In a perfect world everyone would be objective when voting. But I really dont think it was the Rangers nation who bumped Lundkvist to 15th on the list. Its quite alright where he is, imo, as is Bouchard.

I was singling out that McFlash kid. Hes just being a defensive homer, and cant acknowledge that they are in fact 2 solid defensive prospects. Everyone else in this thread has shown some common sense.