Confirmed with Link: Nils Lundkvist Requests Trade

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I come in peace. Montreal has interest. We have a shitload of spare part forwards under contract including Dvorak. We also have multiple prospects including Mysak and Kidney. Any of these 3 can be had, IMO.

No salary retention possible on players under multi-year contracts (i.e.: Dvorak)
 
I come in peace. Montreal has interest. We have a shitload of spare part forwards under contract including Dvorak. We also have multiple prospects including Mysak and Kidney. Any of these 3 can be had, IMO.

No salary retention possible on players under multi-year contracts (i.e.: Dvorak)
Rangers aren’t taking salary so it’s going to be for a prospect
 
Lundkvist is good enough to be on an NHL roster this season, just hot here. Schneider isn’t going anywhere. I don’t blame him for wanting out. Rangers know he’s never getting a shot here. Wish him well, hope he has a good career
 
wait is he not reporting to camp??? If that is true what a joke. How about coming to camp in shape and proving something. If he doesn't show I would not trade him unless we are getting full value. Let him sit home otherwise.
 
They're in a holdout that has the hockey world at a stand still, he's going to sign they're just working out the financials. They might also be waiting to build suspense, they might announce it right on opening night by saying "and number 26, Jimmy Vesey!" and he skates out as the MSG crowd goes wild.
But does he trip over a wire at center ice?
 
If the Rangers moved their AHL affiliate to the Meadowlands this stuff wouldn't be a problem. Kids wouldn't care as much if they had to play there. They could live it up in NYC after the games. Having the team in Hartford is a big issue, players would rather hold out or go back to a second rate league in Europe than to spend a minute in Hartford.
 
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The biggest obstacle for a RHD who slots as 2nd pair PP is that we don't have a 2nd PP. The first unit keeps the puck out there for 2 minutes, and one point man is Panarin. Unless you are Fox, your numbers aren't going to be good.
 
As long as they get equivalent value back, whatever

But they can’t continue the trend of taking these players in the first round, and then trade them away for second round picks 24-36 months later
Huh? Trend?

They traded precisely one 1st rounder for a 2nd (Lias) since the rebuild started, and that was after three years. And while the relationships with VK and NL have been shaky, they are still both in the organization four years later (50 months and counting). You can't just go around making two exaggerations in one sentence (number of occurrences and timespan). Not to mention that it was our last GM, not this one. It's demonstrably just not as bad as you think it is.

What we're seeing now is the problem with amassing a slew of high picks in short order. If Lias wasn't a headcase, then maybe Chytil wouldn't have had the room to grow that has benefitted him. At the end of the day, Cuylle is an acceptable consolation prize. Not ideal, but the dropoff in "value" has more to do with "misjudging this kid's mentals," and less to do with "failing to maximize trade capital." We picked a 2nd round kid with the 7OA. We've done far worse. LOL There's a small upside that Cuylle is younger, which buys an extra three years before he "wonders where he fits on the team because there are so many good wingers here already."

VK had a spot last season, but he was too impatient to grab it. After Blais' injury, I honestly believe that VK would have been a better fill-in top-6 guy than Vatrano. Yet, he felt squeezed out because of the wing depth ahead of him. While we may have patched things up for this season, he now has to watch out for kids on the wing coming up behind him as well. Othmann, Cuylle, Sykora, Berard... It's going to get interesting.

Back to Nils, there's a spot for him this season where if there's an injury to Foxy or Troubs or even a case of the yips for Schneider, then we'd obviously be lucky to have him. Very similar to Kravtsov last season. Our top pair is still pretty young. Trouba might be the youngest "oldest D on their team" in the NHL. Key is straight freak. Our top 4 is young, has been set for 2 seasons, and should be set for 2 more.

We have to find a 3rd pair out of Schneider, Lundkvist, Jones, and Robertson. Nils has the slight edge in age and experience that Turk prefers, so he should come into TC revved up and ready to show coach what's up. Like, the odds are against all 4 of those kids having long NHL careers anyway, so there's no reason to vote yourself off the island first, y'know?

If Nils is traded for some magic beans, I'm still okay with running Schneider with a platoon of Jones and Robertson for two years and never seeing Hajek again, at least. We're obviously better off keeping Nils in that mix, though. He's a different look to Schneider as Robertson is a different look to Jones. We currently have a young, talented, and balanced top 8 D.

Skinner, Scanlin, and Emberson all have some modicum of promise, so they can solidify the farm and be nuclear contingency options over dressing Hajek for multiple games in the worst case scenario. We didn't really draft any notable D in the past couple of drafts, and Schneids is literally the only D we drafted in 2020, so we don't have any young bucks challenging that top 8 D for that next couple of years like we do on the Wing.

Lundkvist should really just bet on himself and play this season out. He has a real chance right here, and it would be unfortunate if he wanted to be a #5 elsewhere rather than be our secret weapon #6.5 for a season and go from there.
 
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Agree that Brooks got fed this info from Lundkvist’s agent. This story being out doesn’t benefit the Rangers.
It's very easy advertising to the whole league and there's a lot of very good knock on effects to having random teams call to check in. Not spreading rumors about your own club is leaving money on the table.

That said the article tips it's hand it came at least partially from Lemieux pretty strongly.
 
Nils has skills… (!)
But I don’t see him as a PPQB. He can shoot, but I don’t see him as a guy who lugs the puck. On the other hand I think his defense is underrated.
 
I don't get how this keeps happening. There has to be something rotten in our post-draft development "system." Other teams don't seem to have this happen with anywhere near this frequency.

I don't know if these guys are being given unrealistic timelines and expectations, if the Hartford organization is just a miserable place to be, or it's something else.

We can't seem to keep high-end prospects in Hartford for more than a single season before they ask out. It's ridiculous. Other teams don't seem to have this problem as often as we do.
This happens all the time with every team. Trades happen. Depth charts change. Also, this is the player initiating this. Won't be the last time a player inflates his own worth.
 
As long as they get equivalent value back, whatever

But they can’t continue the trend of taking these players in the first round, and then trade them away for second round picks 24-36 months later
That's a big IF, now that Larry ran his mouth to let the whole NHL know that he isn't playing for us if he isn't traded. At least he got those clicks :)
 
Lundkvist is good enough to be on an NHL roster this season, just hot here. Schneider isn’t going anywhere. I don’t blame him for wanting out. Rangers know he’s never getting a shot here. Wish him well, hope he has a good career

If that was the case, you’d think they trade him sooner than later because his trade value would be more at the deadline as opposed to the offseason or training camp
 
Well that is extremely disappointing, not that he is going to get traded, but the fact we are going to likely get well under his value because Drury didn’t recognize sooner that there was no spot for him on the team. 50% of our proposals included him because we knew he was a good prospect, but we really didnt have room for him with so many good young players ahead of him. He had good value, not as much now that GMs know we are panicking to trade him.

Also, lets not assume it’s true too fast. Remember Brooks said we signed Vesey? Someone may be feeding Brooks fake news lately.

Speaking of assuming, this entire post is assuming that Drury hasn't been dangling him since last season - which he likely has.

It also fails to account for Schneider's rapid ascent - though I don't really think he "took" Lundkvist's spot as he isn't a 6/7 type.

This is the "problem" with too many prospects - some of them are going to get lost in the wind and be moved for futures or young pieces that fill current holes.
 
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Speaking of assuming, this entire post is assuming that Drury hasn't been dangling him since last season - which he likely has.

It also fails to account for Schneider's rapid ascent - though I don't really think he "took" Lundkvist's spot as he isn't a 6/7 type.

This is the "problem" with too many prospects - some of them are going to get lost in the wind and be moved for futures or young pieces that fill current holes.
I didnt state mine to be fact, but we all knew for the last year that someone was going to be traded, that wasnt an assumption. Too many bodies.
 
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I maintain that Schneider wasn't materially any better.

That being said this isn't bad. It just is what it is. It's not a development issue at all and the team did nothing wrong. They like another guy better and there isn't space.

Perception is everything and yeah Schneider wasn’t significantly better. They are both still top tier defensive prospects. Yet Schneider would absolutely be a centerpiece trade asset for us, if we were to trade him, and yet Nils feels like a throw away from the organization’s perspective.

If the two are nearly equal and I believe they are, the smart thing to do would be to trade the one who has more trade value. But they are locked into their prototypes. Fine, but if you are gonna commit to that, you at least can’t make the double mistake of mismanaging the trade value of the other asset, which they do time and time again.
 
We have more of a glut at forward than at D and outside the NHL/AHL not all that much of note. If and when we do move Nils I would be looking for either a very high draft pick or a pretty young D (more LD than RD) who is on the cusp and maybe with at least a year of waiver eligibility. Maybe bigger, stronger, more defensive oriented. Somewhere in between maybe Jones and Robertson's main strengths.

If there is a team out there that thinks Nils can really help them right now that's a team that might be able to pony up a 1st in 23--or 24---preferably 23.
 
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Nils has skills… (!)
But I don’t see him as a PPQB. He can shoot, but I don’t see him as a guy who lugs the puck. On the other hand I think his defense is underrated.

His defense is very underrated.

We have more of a glut at forward than at D and outside the NHL/AHL not all that much of note. If and when we do move Nils I would be looking for either a very high draft pick or a pretty young D (more LD than RD) who is on the cusp and maybe with at least a year of waiver eligibility. Maybe bigger, stronger, more defensive oriented. Somewhere in between maybe Jones and Robertson's main strengths.

If there is a team out there that thinks Nils can really help them right now that's a team that might be able to pony up a 1st in 23--or 24---preferably 23.

If I can get a young center I’m interested. If it’s a wing, not so much.
 
I like Nils a lot but it’s been clear for like a year now that the administration, which isn’t the administration that picked him, is married to size and that they can’t keep both he and Jones, so one of them was always gonna go.

What I don’t understand is that why he hasn’t been moved, in a package if necessary, for a center prospect yet. I don’t buy that there are no good offers.

The Rangers clutch at their toys until it’s too late. It’s becoming obvious that Drury is not a great trader. I frankly wonder if he was too inexperienced to have the relationships around the league with other GMs to be able to approach all of them as easily as someone like Gorton could.
 
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