Maybe. Or maybe getting a chance to play in the NHL for a team fighting for a playoff spot would be better experience for him? And not one that he would turn down?
Prospect Info: Nils Lundkvist: Part III
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Not disputing that. Just making a statement about how I believe that Gorton and JD are constructing the team and what I see for the defense. This is not Player X will be moved because Prospect Y is in the system. This is, if all things shake out even, which of Prospect X or Prospect Y do I believe makes the team or is moved as part of a bigger deal.
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It will come down to leverage and what the Rangers will offer. If the Rangers offer him an ELC that kicks in for the 2021-22 season, there's no reason for him to come over and play on a PTO in Hartford for this season.
If the Rangers are willing to burn a year off his ELC by playing him for 1 game, that could entice Lundkvist to sign and forego his chance to represent his country at the World Championship
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I understand that. Guess it would depend on how many games are left in the season and if the Rangers want to go that route. No decision needs to be made now.
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Upside of burning a year:
Player:
- Gets paid a signing bonus twice this year
- Hits RFA status a year early
Team:
- Only 2 years for the player to prove what he can do, possible lower AAV for SPC
AK, I get it. I am just saying that there could be circumstances where the team is willing to do that.
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JD: "well that defender is a lot better, but he is 2 inches shorter and 18lbs lighter, so we need to go with the bigger yet much worse player"
Gorton: "I too envision us being trapped in our zone all the time and needing to clear net front, so I agree"
Gorton: "I too envision us being trapped in our zone all the time and needing to clear net front, so I agree"
That is not at all remotely what is being said
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Change is good.
Seriously.
Braden Schneider is already 6'2", ~210 lbs. and showing he can play and positively impact the game in the AHL. No, he'll likely never bring quite the offense that Nils does. But he'll play at what, 6'2"-6'3", 220-230 lbs.? While bringing outstanding defense and transition abilities, with competent play in the o-zone. Versus Lundkvist at 5'10"-5'11" and 185-190 who brings positionally sound, willing but undersized D, equal transition abilities, and significantly superior offense.
For all we know, they could choose Lundkvist. Or keep both and find a way to move Trouba (unlikely as that is in the near term).
But if you've only got one spot available, there's a real debate to be had there. Especially when you consider other factors such as the rest of the roster's composition, the salary cap, and value in a trade to fill another need.
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Exactly. People are finding more and more ways to take a legit debate and turn it into something completely different than the original intent.
Back to this. I think that a Lundkvist - Schneider camp battle is looming for next year. Just a gut feeling. And no matter the result, it will be good for both prospects and great for the Rangers.
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The issue for me is the idea of being married to Trouba for his whole contract. If Lundkvist and Schneider develop into top 4 D, it should be those two and Fox going forward.
Trouba is not as terrible as some people here make him out to be but we shouldn't have to trade an A level prospect because of him.
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I think the issue here is that out of the 4 RD in the system he may very well be the weakest link out of all of them and yet will inevitably get paid more than each of them. It's an issue.
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And if the Rangers do end up trading one of them it's not going to be because they have some grand plan where height and weight are the determining factor, it will be because they know they have no way out of the Trouba contract.
its not about size. its about style of play. and the pros/cons of having guys that are similar vs guys who's different styles complement each other and give you more options for match ups. the similarities between fox and lundkvist go beyond their height and weight. you could have a guy who is 6'2 but isn't physical and plays the same style and its the same conversation...I think you could absolutely have nils and fox on the same blueline but the consideration isn't just about size.
and lets not act like we are talking about playing a big goon. that couldn't be further from the truth. schneider is a GOOD player.
and we also need to consider trade value. no one is talking about picking one and letting the other guy...Lundkvist should have higher trade value. so you have 2 ways of looking at that, IMO. 1) Lundkvist has higher trade value because he is better and therefore we should keep him. or 2) because his value his higher the better center we could get in return would outweigh any downgrade to schneider (if there is one)
that team impact could be good or bad depending on how good the player is out of the gate....if he's good then you lost a year of the ELC and need to give him a raise sooner. but on the flipside you are giving that player 1 less year to earn that raise too...
look at chytil...if we hadn't let his contract slide the first year he would have been a RFA this past offseason. and indication before his injury was that it was going to cost way more to extend him after this year than it would have after last year. so for this season we benefit from the extra ELC year. but without it we might have benefited for the next 6 years by extending him sooner...you never know how it will work out.
It should be pointed out that if Lundkvist comes to NY and plays really well, that will only increase said trade value. There's no hurry to trade this kid. Schneider won't be ready next season anyway.
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If the similarities between Fox and Lundkvist go beyond height and weight, the Rangers should keep two Foxes. If that means it comes down to Trouba versus Schneider, well I'd go with the non 8M cap hit player playing behind two Foxes.
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It would appear, at least to me, the smart decision is to keep Lundqvist and Schneider and find a way to make that work
Schneider is playing well in Hartford and is having a positive effect on the game itself. Will he be ready? No one knows. But at least the early evidence looks like he certainly has a shot of being ready for a look see. Or at least for a battle with Lundkvist.
Well put and is exactly the context of the debate.
One has to admit that the possibilities of two guys that are probably going to wind up playing at 220-230 (Miller and Schneider) that have a good breakout pass, can skate and are mobile as part of your top-6 is pretty tantalizing. Then add in a Robertson....and well, one can dream......
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