Prospect Info: Nils Lundkvist: Part II

[RGY]

Keane? Fox? Kakko? Jones? Pajuniemi?

Those guys don’t count!

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

To be clear, this is not from a SHL game, it’s from a Champions Hockey League game.

Nils is 2/7/9 in 10 CHL GP this season.

The CHL is a lot more competitive in recent years.

 

[UnSandvich]

The CHL is a lot more competitive in recent years.

So much the better than, yeah?

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

So much the better than, yeah?

The Swedish teams are still considered the best in the CHL, but the Swiss teams have really caught up in recent years

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

 

[kovazub94]

The Swedish teams are still considered the best in the CHL, but the Swiss teams have really caught up in recent years

What about German's?

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

What about German's?

Germans tend to be defeated when winter strikes

 

[kovazub94]

Germans tend to be defeated when winter strikes

Russians don't participate in the CHL, so no... : )

 

[True Blue]

What about German's?

Forget it. He's rolling.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Nils Lundkvist will fly to Uppsala on Sunday and meet with the J20 team. They then fly to the Czech Republic on Monday. The next game Luleå plays is the 17th due to the international break (Channel One Cup in Russia). So if there are no Luleå updates on Lundkvist, don't panic haha

 

[darko]

Any updates on Nils?

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

 

[kovazub94]

Nils Lundkvist will fly to Uppsala on Sunday and meet with the J20 team. They then fly to the Czech Republic on Monday. The next game Luleå plays is the 17th due to the international break (Channel One Cup in Russia). So if there are no Luleå updates on Lundkvist, don't panic haha

Interested to hear if Lundkvist had any real chance to make Sweden’ National Team for the Channel One Cup? I mean he’s a first pair RD for one of the better teams in the SHL with outstanding production regardless age.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Interested to hear if Lundkvist had any real chance to make Sweden’ National Team for the Channel One Cup? I mean he’s a first pair RD for one of the better teams in the SHL with outstanding production regardless age.

I don't think they would have called him up with the WJC camp starting the same day. Maybe for the Beijer (SWE) or Carlson games (CZE)

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Assist for Lundkvist in the 2nd leg of the CHL semi finals. 11 in 12 in the CHL this season

 

[bhamill]

Germans tend to be defeated when winter strikes

Fantastic. Especially the Russian winter...

 

[RangerBoy]

 

[kovazub94]

He has had points in the CHL too while with Lulea.

 

[nyr2k2]

I get tired of hearing about the "X-most points by a player Y-and-under in Z-league since whatever date." It's all nice and provides context to how well a player is doing relative to his peers in a historical sense, but it doesn't tell you shit about how well the guy will adapt to North America. It doesn't tell you how good a guy really is as an NHL prospect. And beyond that, I feel like guys are getting better and better younger and younger; so our guy who is fifth on some list using arbitrary criteria today is going to be tenth in five years, and so on. I don't even find these "factoids" interesting anymore.

Not directed at Lundkvist, who is a really good prospect. Just in general.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

I get tired of hearing about the "X-most points by a player Y-and-under in Z-league since whatever date." It's all nice and provides context to how well a player is doing relative to his peers in a historical sense, but it doesn't tell you **** about how well the guy will adapt to North America. It doesn't tell you how good a guy really is as an NHL prospect. And beyond that, I feel like guys are getting better and better younger and younger; so our guy who is fifth on some list using arbitrary criteria today is going to be tenth in five years, and so on. I don't even find these "factoids" interesting anymore.

Not directed at Lundkvist, who is a really good prospect. Just in general.

This x 1,000,000!!

 

[Leetch3]

I get tired of hearing about the "X-most points by a player Y-and-under in Z-league since whatever date." It's all nice and provides context to how well a player is doing relative to his peers in a historical sense, but it doesn't tell you **** about how well the guy will adapt to North America. It doesn't tell you how good a guy really is as an NHL prospect. And beyond that, I feel like guys are getting better and better younger and younger; so our guy who is fifth on some list using arbitrary criteria today is going to be tenth in five years, and so on. I don't even find these "factoids" interesting anymore.

Not directed at Lundkvist, who is a really good prospect. Just in general.

well no stats really tell you how a guy will adapt as a pro...but the big misleading thing here is not making it a per game stats. guys like hedman and dahlin were in the nhl at 18/19 so total points isn't really valid when Nils played another 2 seasons there

 

[romba]

well no stats really tell you how a guy will adapt as a pro...but the big misleading thing here is not making it a per game stats. guys like hedman and dahlin were in the nhl at 18/19 so total points isn't really valid when Nils played another 2 seasons there

Even per season to this point would be fine. It's misleading in order to build hype and is how false expectations get laid

 

[nyr2k2]

Even per season to this point would be fine. It's misleading in order to build hype and is how false expectations get laid

Yeah and even when it's a "neutral" thing like when AK was posting the percentage of a team's goals a guy factored into (for Kravtsov), it still causes a frenzy. That's why I just can't get into it--I'd rather just evaluate the player by watching him and his development over time. You can of course support it with stats, but I feel like a lot of people do it the other way around. A lot of people seem to look at the cool factoids about how well a guy is performing and then use them to build their evaluation of the player.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Yeah and even when it's a "neutral" thing like when AK was posting the percentage of a team's goals a guy factored into (for Kravtsov), it still causes a frenzy. That's why I just can't get into it--I'd rather just evaluate the player by watching him and his development over time. You can of course support it with stats, but I feel like a lot of people do it the other way around. A lot of people seem to look at the cool factoids about how well a guy is performing and then use them to build their evaluation of the player.

And we should judge players based on their on-ice performance but the "stats-game" so to speak is just for fun (for me at least). The big problem with comparable stats, and this can't be said enough, is that in many cases the parameters are chosen to make things look better than they are. Stats are like highlight videos. You cherry-pick until you get a result that you can be happy with.

These type of stats should never be used to make a case or win an argument. It's just fun to talk about.

 

[ColonialsHockey10]

I get tired of hearing about the "X-most points by a player Y-and-under in Z-league since whatever date." It's all nice and provides context to how well a player is doing relative to his peers in a historical sense, but it doesn't tell you **** about how well the guy will adapt to North America. It doesn't tell you how good a guy really is as an NHL prospect. And beyond that, I feel like guys are getting better and better younger and younger; so our guy who is fifth on some list using arbitrary criteria today is going to be tenth in five years, and so on. I don't even find these "factoids" interesting anymore.

Not directed at Lundkvist, who is a really good prospect. Just in general.

It really is the epitome of weak data analysis (despite being fun to read). I think it speaks to the fact that their are so few eyes on our European prospects on a regular basis, unfortunately.

Which is why the shift-by-shift analysis we occasionally get in threads like the Wolfpack one are so valuable.