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Player Discussion Nick Suzuki Part 11

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Scorey Perry said:
This was just an incredible trade for Montreal. Rival the Lafleur trade as greatest in team history. Considering we got Tatar and Farrell in same deal.

Followed up by locking up franchise player at reasonable caphit. Bergevin certainly had his positives on the team.
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The Ken Dryden trade is the best in history. Not only did we get one of the best goalies ever, we ripped off the Bruins to do it.

Dryden personally beat them for the cup a few times.
 
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Lafleurs Guy said:
The Ken Dryden trade is the best in history. Not only did we get one of the best goalies ever, we ripped off the Bruins to do it.

Dryden personally beat them for the cup a few times.
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Costs us Tony O and Vachon also. Dryden played on great team coached by Scotty Bowman. In front of Big Three defense. He good goalie but not great. Put Price in that team? He'd been greatest goalie ever.
 
Suzuki is off to a great start. Exceeding my expectations.

* 5th in points for centers
* 11th in points overall
* 16th in points/game.


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Canadiens Ghost said:
Suzuki will be a great Captain for the Habs and I can see him being a lifer with the team.
He's been great under pressure, a true leader.
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I haven't paid attention but is Suzuki spending lots of time meeting with the press after games? Hope not cause this is where our media grills them when we loose. Searching for stupid stuff wanting our captain to provide solutions in words and waiting for the wrong things to be said so they can attack them on it.

Negative spin articles by the media trying to get click bait hits from fans is disgusting. Right now, it's generally positive cause we are exceeding expectations but when times get rough, they turn on our players and that is where the stupid Canadian passion from media/fans comes as attacks
 
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Scorey Perry said:
Costs us Tony O and Vachon also. Dryden played on great team coached by Scotty Bowman. In front of Big Three defense. He good goalie but not great. Put Price in that team? He'd been greatest goalie ever.
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Google Dryden in 71.

You’re not giving him nearly his due. And we weren’t able to win cups with that roster when he wasn’t with the team.
 
Kojo said:
Seconds after Caufield missed wide, let that sink in.
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He barely missed the side, like 6-8 inches. And he shot farside, which helped keep the play alive, instead of inside, which would've cut the angle and more probable to go to a philly d.

Kid is tied for most even-strenght goals with McDavid and Matthews since MSL came in (26). He's not gonna hit every single shot ffs.
 
Lafleurs Guy said:
Google Dryden in 71.

You’re not giving him nearly his due. And we weren’t able to win cups with that roster when he wasn’t with the team.
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I completely agree with you but the Dryden 71 argument is overused. Dryden was a fantastic goalie. But it's not a coincidence that Roy won in his first year with the Canadiens as a starter with the remnants of those 70s teams. The goaltending between 80-86 wasn't just average, it was god awful. You could've probably inserted any top 10 goalie from that era and still had around the same results in the mid to late 70s. Dryden wasn't the base, he was the cherry on top. Roy and price were their teams essentially
 
HuGo Burner Acc said:
I completely agree with you but the Dryden 71 argument is overused. Dryden was a fantastic goalie. But it's not a coincidence that Roy won in his first year with the Canadiens as a starter with the remnants of those 70s teams. The goaltending between 80-86 wasn't just average, it was god awful. You could've probably inserted any top 10 goalie from that era and still had around the same results in the mid to late 70s. Dryden wasn't the base, he was the cherry on top. Roy and price were their teams essentially
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The guy was 2nd in MVP voting in 72 to… Bobby Orr. He won the Calder… after the Smythe. He has almost as many shutouts as losses. It’s a spectacular career. You aren’t giving him near enough respect.

Nobody would ever claim that he wasn’t on great teams throughout the 70s but that 71 cup is largely due to him and he’s got the Smythe to prove it.

Price was definitely the key player on his teams as was Roy but Dryden did manage beat better teams than his own early in his career and won multiple cups. There’s no way we win in 71 without him. And he personally beats Boston to win that cup.

As for us having bad goaltending in the 80s… almost every team has that kind of goaltending. Having a stud like Dryden was a massive advantage. And we likely would’ve kept winning cups if he’d stayed.

Edit: checked out our stats for 79-80. We were 4th in the league for save percentage so it couldn’t have been that bad. We simply no longer had the best goalie in the league.
 
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Habsfan18 said:
We finally have our superstar. And holy shit was it a long time coming. We’re in great hands.
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I think it’s premature to call him a superstar. Personally, I think he’ll be a legit number one center. That’s good enough.

He may emerge as a superstar but I’d hate to se us getting ahead of ourselves on that. He suddenly becomes - overrated.
 
Lafleurs Guy said:
The guy was 2nd in MVP voting in 72 to… Bobby Orr. He won the Calder… after the Smythe. He has almost as many shutouts as losses. It’s a spectacular career. You aren’t giving him near enough respect.

Nobody would ever claim that he wasn’t on great teams throughout the 70s but that 71 cup is largely due to him and he’s got the Smythe to prove it.

Price was definitely the key player on his teams as was Roy but Dryden did manage beat better teams than his own early in his career and won multiple cups. There’s no way we win in 71 without him. And he personally beats Boston to win that cup.

As for us having bad goaltending in the 80s… almost every team has that kind of goaltending. Having a stud like Dryden was a massive advantage. And we likely would’ve kept winning cups if he’d stayed.

Edit: checked out our stats for 79-80. We were 4th in the league for save percentage so it couldn’t have been that bad. We simply no longer had the best goalie in the league.
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I understand and even would put Dryden in my personal top 10 all time obviously. But you can't dismiss the team in front of him. He was fantastic in the early 70s and I concede to all of your points about it but let's not delude ourselves into thinking that his feats were any harder than what Price had to do with the disgusting teams he had. And the horrible management he had. And the horrible coaches that he had. When he won his hart, the team won it's division and came 2nd in the east. They were 1st in league GAA and dead last in GF out of the teams that made the playoffs that year. The mental component is a huge part of the position and Dryden definitely had a cool head throughout his tenure knowing that he had a team that was on par with his own standards unlike Price who knew as well as all of us, that it was him or bust. Roy in the 93 playoffs is obviously the greater feat than either of the other two goalies achieved. In terms of greatness, Dryden is either 1 or 2 in Habs history but in terms of talent and proficiency at the position, it's Price all day of the week. If Dryden was playing in the mid 90s in his prime, I doubt he'd be considered top 3. Price and Roy on the other hand, if both healthy, would probably be considered top 3 in an era past present and probably future
 
HuGo Burner Acc said:
I understand and even would put Dryden in my personal top 10 all time obviously. But you can't dismiss the team in front of him. He was fantastic in the early 70s and I concede to all of your points about it but let's not delude ourselves into thinking that his feats were any harder than what Price had to do with the disgusting teams he had. And the horrible management he had. And the horrible coaches that he had. When he won his hart, the team won it's division and came 2nd in the east. They were 1st in league GAA and dead last in GF out of the teams that made the playoffs that year. The mental component is a huge part of the position and Dryden definitely had a cool head throughout his tenure knowing that he had a team that was on par with his own standards unlike Price who knew as well as all of us, that it was him or bust. Roy in the 93 playoffs is obviously the greater feat than either of the other two goalies achieved. In terms of greatness, Dryden is either 1 or 2 in Habs history but in terms of talent and proficiency at the position, it's Price all day of the week. If Dryden was playing in the mid 90s in his prime, I doubt he'd be considered top 3. Price and Roy on the other hand, if both healthy, would probably be considered top 3 in an era past present and probably future
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I don’t want to derail this thread more than I have. I’ll simply say we ripped off an arch rival for one of the best goalies of all time. If the Bruins don’t make that trade, they beat us in 71 and likely win many more cups that decade. Instead we got the benefit of the best goalie in the world.
 
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Lafleurs Guy said:
I think top 20 is realistic. And I really hope he makes it to 100 points.
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I never would've figured Nick Suzuki would be a top point producer. I don't know why but he seemed like a more nimble Plekanec rather than a not-so-poor-man's Datsyuk. Really looking forward to seeing his development. God damn we're lucky that our rebuild started with this pillar already in hand.
 
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I find it funny when people say suzuki is not flashy. This kid is literally all swagger. Nasty hands, vision, and wrister while making smart reads all over the ice.

The goal he scored by banking it off the back of the goalie is something that I’ve only seen a handful of NHLers do with success, Crosby being the most obvious.
 
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tooji said:
I find it funny when people say suzuki is not flashy. This kid is literally all swagger. Nasty hands, vision, and wrister while making smart reads all over the ice.

The goal he scored by banking it off the back of the goalie is something that I’ve only seen a handful of NHLers do with success, Crosby being the most obvious.
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I think the biggest difference is Nick doesn't talk about it like a lot of the young guys around the league. He just does it and let's people talk about it for him. I respect that so much.
 
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