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Player Discussion Nick Suzuki - Game Winning Goals Edition

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tooji said:
the stat is meaningless when comparing players playing on different teams. For players on the same team, the stat is a lot easier to contextualize and make sense of.
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If I was comparing him specifically against another player sure maybe you could say that. My point is quite different. If we ever hope to win anything this is the way we have to do it as a group. I agree that the state of the team as a whole will affect the numbers. I thought -10 after 82 games last season was a decent stat for Suzuki.
 
Rapala said:
There is nothing funny about it I'm referring to top contending teams in any given season. There isn't one who don't have a top line dominate the even strength situation. What I find funny is people who don't think the +/- is a worthwhile stat in a sport where scoring more is the only way to win.
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Yeah, but that's what I'm saying, top teams have a top line and a top 5 five man unit that generally scores more. Its almost by definition that this happens. Great teams have great players who are better than the average of every other team. As a unit, not as individuals. Put Hoffman and Drouin on his wings and he'll be a minus even if he's playing at the level that he is right now, hence why its a stat that needs enough context that its relevance is questionable at best.
 
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Nick and Cole have been playing fantastic this season, both ends for a while now. Have to wonder would their point totals be if they had an equally impressive linemate all season,immeasurable.
 
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habbubba said:
Nick and Cole have been playing fantastic this season, both ends for a while now. Have to wonder would their point totals be if they had an equally impressive linemate all season,immeasurable.
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I'd like to see them both start putting up more multi point games and get well beyond that PPG.
It really comes down to how consistent Slaf can be and if we can rekindle PP1. I'm not sure what Bureau is bringing to the table but Suzuki has to improve his FO% we've seen what clean wins can do for us and we need more of them on our power play. Batman and Robin can put this team on their backs like they did last season but they need Slaf to break things while not forgetting about the puck for that to happen.
 
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tooji said:
the stat is meaningless when comparing players playing on different teams. For players on the same team, the stat is a lot easier to contextualize and make sense of.
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How about looking at the stat compared to where he ended the season at last year?
He's now +9 vs -14 that is a 23 goal difference it means something and it's POSITIVE.
 
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Rapala said:
I'd like to see them both start putting up more multi point games and get well beyond that PPG.
It really comes down to how consistent Slaf can be and if we can rekindle PP1. I'm not sure what Bureau is bringing to the table but Suzuki has to improve his FO% we've seen what clean wins can do for us and we need more of them on our power play. Batman and Robin can put this team on their backs like they did last season but they need Slaf to break things while not forgetting about the puck for that to happen.
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It goes without saying that most would like to see that and it might have been more often had their linemates all season be as equally impressive as they have been. As for the PP, they seem to just want to set up Laine when there are shots to take but choose not to, Suzuki should shoot more often imo. Some players are just better at FO than others and I haven't dug into who his opponents are when he loses them, but that is a study onto itself and at least it's not Dach bad
 
Theodore450 said:
I feel like he would work well with Laine. But CC has been dynamic this year
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I don't think so.
Suzuki is better with speedy players like Caufield who are able to enhance his ability to slow the play down by playing fast. I remember a few years back when Caufield was out and Suzuki had revolving wingers. One of the best fits was Jake Evans for that very reason he kept the pace of the play up which allowed Suzuki to slow it down when he chose to do so.
 
He's great this year, he's 9th in point so far for center in the entire nhl.

He's close to a top10 center in the league the way he's playing at both end of the ice.
 
Rapala said:
I don't think so.
Suzuki is better with speedy players like Caufield who are able to enhance his ability to slow the play down by playing fast. I remember a few years back when Caufield was out and Suzuki had revolving wingers. One of the best fits was Jake Evans for that very reason he kept the pace of the play up which allowed Suzuki to slow it down when he chose to do so.
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For CC, it’s more about his ability to get to space and his sense of timing.

He’s not particularly fast (slower than suzuki), but it doesn’t matter. I see much faster skaters fail to score because they don't decelerate well. Hello Andy.
 
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Ozmodiar said:
For CC, it’s more about his ability to get to space and his sense of timing.

He’s not particularly fast (slower than suzuki), but it doesn’t matter. I see much faster skaters fail to score because they don't decelerate well. Hello Andy.
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Watching Anderson fly by loose pucks in the crease and take the longest possible route to get back defensively is my favourite hobby
 
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Ozmodiar said:
For CC, it’s more about his ability to get to space and his sense of timing.

He’s not particularly fast (slower than suzuki), but it doesn’t matter. I see much faster skaters fail to score because they don't decelerate well. Hello Andy.
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Caufield is fast he also plays fast. It's one of his best attributes. :huh: I never equate speed to top end I equate speed to acceleration and torque. Caufield has that in spades. The very best skaters have both.
 
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Rapala said:
I don't think so.
Suzuki is better with speedy players like Caufield who are able to enhance his ability to slow the play down by playing fast. I remember a few years back when Caufield was out and Suzuki had revolving wingers. One of the best fits was Jake Evans for that very reason he kept the pace of the play up which allowed Suzuki to slow it down when he chose to do so.
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To be fair, our lineup had no quality players to play with him then. Anderson, armia, Evans. These guys should not be on a first line.
 
Theodore450 said:
To be fair, our lineup had no quality players to play with him then. Anderson, armia, Evans. These guys should not be on a first line.
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No doubt I'm just making a point about what I've seen work best with Suzuki. Earlier this season the line was struggling and I suggested they put Newhook on the line to get the pace up. They did a few games later and that sparked a turn around for Suzuki and Caufield whether people believed it or not. It was not a long term solution but a measure to get them playing faster. Change of pace in hockey is a weapon but you can't use it if you don't have pace to begin with.
 
Rapala said:
No doubt I'm just making a point about what I've seen work best with Suzuki. Earlier this season the line was struggling and I suggested they put Newhook on the line to get the pace up. They did a few games later and that sparked a turn around for Suzuki and Caufield whether people believed it or not. It was not a long term solution but a measure to get them playing faster. Change of pace in hockey is a weapon but you can't use it if you don't have pace to begin with.
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your absolutely correct.
If we had another faster winger, or if i felt confident enough in Slaf, i would consider Laine with suzuki.

2 very smart elite players and Laine is wasted with Dach and Newhook.
 
Rapala said:
Caufield is fast he also plays fast. It's one of his best attributes. :huh: I never equate speed to top end I equate speed to acceleration and torque. Caufield has that in spades. The very best skaters have both.
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He doesn’t have a powerful stride, but has quick feet. For example, if he raced suzuki, Suzuki would take 3 strides to his 5 and be ahead by a stick length.

He excels at moving when he sees others are not. Flat footed D off the rush, movement around the offensive zone.
 
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