Injury Report: Nick Foligno (Lower Body)

[hockeynorth]

And there may only be two more left. Foligno should just be flown to Columbus. He and CBJ management worked to hustle the Leafs.

I'm just going to pull this post out of the pile cause there's no other BS in it

Foligno definitely got his current injury here, and he also definitely did want to come to Toronto to live up to his Dads legacy. It was all but known he'd be coming to Toronto about 36-48 hours before he the trade was announced. I'm not totally sure why the 1st was paid but I also know both Minny and Colorado pushed pretty hard for Foligno.

I believe he's currently being sat for precautionary reasons bc they thought they'd win without him and no need to reaggravate what was reaggravated already but if it gets to 7 he'll come in, but that bit is personal opinion, not confirmed.

 

[Madap]

You can only pay them 81.5 M, so what you pay them you cannot pay another one, so you are stuck with players like Jumbo Joe and Simmonds on the team doing basically nothing. It’s the job of the gm to create the roster, so if it won’t work, it will be also the gm to blame.

Those guys are 4th line players. Not the difference between winning and losing most games. And Thornton is the only real mistake. Keefe is scared to bench him now, and if he did we could totally have brooks or Robertson or Engvall in the lineup instead. We have plenty of good depth.

 

[Hockey Crazy]

Were 3-2 against a really poor Montreal team currently with a history of failing to close things out.

Truthfully the focus will shift to Firing Dubas and moving the core if they don't finish this job. And really just beating a bad Montreal team won't make this a good season.

There’s a tremendous amount of luck in hockey. We’ve outplayed Montreal in every game this series. They will win game 6.

 

[Garthinater]

And if the Leafs move onto the second round (and perhaps beyond), what would you say? It's far too early to say it's not a good trade when the Leafs are still in the playoffs, with a lead in the first round...

At this moment in time it is not looking like a good trade.

But sure if we can get to the 2nd or 3rd round, foligno comes back and he produces it will change my mind.

 

[glue]

Foligno needs to stop getting hurt...the way he's been injured in and out of the Leafs lineup feels like he's 41 years old and not Jumbo. In any case, just a bit frustrating, he needs to be come back asap and be effective.

 

[Guided by Veseys]

He looked really good with Marner and Matthews. Really hope we see that combo again.
Hyman could do a lot more damage on the second or especially third line.

 

[JT AM da real deal]

I'm just going to pull this post out of the pile cause there's no other BS in it

Foligno definitely got his current injury here, and he also definitely did want to come to Toronto to live up to his Dads legacy. It was all but known he'd be coming to Toronto about 36-48 hours before he the trade was announced. I'm not totally sure why the 1st was paid but I also know both Minny and Colorado pushed pretty hard for Foligno.

I believe he's currently being sat for precautionary reasons bc they thought they'd win without him and no need to reaggravate what was reaggravated already but if it gets to 7 he'll come in, but that bit is personal opinion, not confirmed.

Makes sense .. we will know tonight if he goes on team flight to Mtl .. if he flies with team then he will play Saturday if not then Monday

 

[hockeynorth]

Makes sense .. we will know tonight if he goes on team flight to Mtl .. if he flies with team then he will play Saturday if not then Monday

or he's GTD again

 

[Nylanderthal]

How do you figure? He's a guy who can play anywhere in the lineup, adds toughness, leadership and solid two way hockey

Availability is the best ability, especially come playoff time

 

[Racer88]

Well if the leafs get bounced dubas and Keefe gotta go

Agreed 100% and changes need to be made to the roster.
Marner should be the odd man out as he offers the least playoff value for his massive overpayment.
They will need to trade him and try to build a more balanced team

 

[Racer88]

I remember our 1st was laughed at when making trade proposals: "It'll be a late 1st and not a very impactful player gets drafted in the late part of the 1st round".

Then we traded for Foligno using our 1st: "I can't believe you used a 1st for Foligno!".

I never laughed at trading a first or diminished its value

 

[Racer88]

i don’t think that’s really fair. Mostly to Keefe as the team has looked amazing under him in the regular season. Dubas has also done a good job filling out this team.
At some point the hones is on the dam players to get it done in the playoffs. Can’t blame Dubas and Keefe for Matthews and Marner not doing jack shit.

It’s Dubas fault that he has had to fill out this team with league minimum old guys and no talent hacks like Engvall and Mikheyev

 

[Racer88]

I wouldn’t say trading one of your best players in Marner is pretty obvious

It is because you should never trade Matthews, you can’t trade Tavares and Willy is providing incredible value in the playoffs. So Marner it will be

 

[Racer88]

what they are paid is kind of a silly argument. Matthews is a perennial 40-50 goal scorer and Marner is a premier set up man. Both are consistent threats to hit 100 point seasons. No matter what team they were on, they were going to get paid. Marner of course over paid by a little, but Matthews is 100% fair value.

Them not performing in the playoffs is not managements fault. Marner needs to learn to adapt to the smaller ice and make better decisions. The amount of times hes in a prime scoring position just to piss it away is frustrating.

if they do lose this series (they wont), major changes will obviously need to be made just for the sake of changing things up. but i place the blame more on the players than i do management.

It doesn’t matter what their regular season personal stats are if they can’t perform in the playoffs.
Yes it matters what you pay them because 50% of the cap tied up in 4 soft forwards does not leave enough left to fill the roster with quality players.
Marner and Matthews are in this 5 year of playoffs and both of them have gone basically invisible. Matthews hasn’t gotten a single goal or even a point I believe in the last 3 games and I think Marner has something like 2 playoff goals in his entire NHL career

 

[Racer88]

There’s a tremendous amount of luck in hockey. We’ve outplayed Montreal in every game this series. They will win game 6.

Considering we haven’t won a playoff series in something like 19 years at some point excuses like luck don’t work anymore

 

[great]

Is this an ongoing injury he’s had that keeps returning?
I don’t know it seems like it

 

[Leafsfan74]

Dwelling on the cost does little good. Any team that is serious about making a run have to overpay at the deadline. Either in Cap space or picks/assets.

I'd much rather trade an unreliable, low 1st round pick than a blue chip asset, especially an asset that has played some NHL games already.

If you have a playoff team that won their division you don't save draft picks if you can flip them and improve your club immediately. You strike when the iron is hot four times out of five.

 

[Menzinger]

Is this an ongoing injury he’s had that keeps returning?
I don’t know it seems like it

I believe that is unknown to the public. And unless anyone here has read his medical report (and they haven't) it makes a bit of this speculation look silly

 

[socko]

I would keep on speed dial any GM that wasn't worried about overpaying at the trade deadline.

 

[supermann_98]

Availability is the best ability, especially come playoff time

Not in the case of Sandin this series but other than that yeah you’re right about that. Foligno’s back is obviously messed up right now and that one play where he stopped on a dime and just grimaced ... I’ve been there I can feel his pain. Yeah he’s played a game since but backs are a tricky thing, I’ve had my back lock up on me I don’t know how many times and all you can do is try to gets some adjustments, muscle relaxers, yoga, physio or wherever else you want ... the way Foligno plays the game his whole career the physical play seems to have caught up with him.

His next contract could be a ticking time bomb unless he gives CBJ a lifetime achievement home town discount and retire a blue jacket, anything more than a 1 year guarantee would be a risk

 

[saffronleaf]

Maybe he demanded to come to Toronto because of its renowned medical team.

 

[tom leafers]

It doesn’t matter what their regular season personal stats are if they can’t perform in the playoffs.
Yes it matters what you pay them because 50% of the cap tied up in 4 soft forwards does not leave enough left to fill the roster with quality players.
Marner and Matthews are in this 5 year of playoffs and both of them have gone basically invisible. Matthews hasn’t gotten a single goal or even a point I believe in the last 3 games and I think Marner has something like 2 playoff goals in his entire NHL career

Players these days are paid based off regular season stats and talent, thats just how it is. I agree that tying up that amount of money in 3 forwards is stupid, but either way those guys were going to get paid. And i have loved having them all on team, just like countless other leaf fans.

And we have more than enough quality players on the team to be successful. When a 4th line forward (Spezza) has more goals than Matthews and Marner combined, the issue clearly isnt our depth.

your talking like we are the only ones in this cap situation- were not- were actually quite well off.

these are all the teams against the cap:

Dallas- didnt qualify
Washington- eliminated in 5
Edmonton- swept
Anaheim- didnt qualify
Chicago- didnt qualify
Vancuver- didnt qualify
St Louis- Swept
Pittsburgh- out in 6
Montreal- down 3-2

were doing just fine. Its not the depths problem. we just need our dam big guns to start producing

 

[Hclass47]

Agreed 100% and changes need to be made to the roster.
Marner should be the odd man out as he offers the least playoff value for his massive overpayment.
They will need to trade him and try to build a more balanced team

Mitch for mcdavid?

 

[Suntouchable13]

Agreed 100% and changes need to be made to the roster.
Marner should be the odd man out as he offers the least playoff value for his massive overpayment.
They will need to trade him and try to build a more balanced team

Changes will have to be made if they don't win 3 rounds, IMO. Why would anyone expect them to suddenly get by Boston and TB next playoff season if the core is still the same? My fear is that management will be happy with a 2nd or 3rd round appearance and will not do much to improve the team. You have to remember what kind of teams we will have get through again starting next season.

 

[Jimmy Firecracker]

I think he plays Monday regardless of our opponent.