Denver Post: Nichushkin involved in incident that prompted police/medical response

[henchman21]

I don't personally care about the details of what happened in the room or the issues that Nuke has on a personal level. On Nuke's personal side, I just hope he gets help. I care about the impact on the team that happened this year and moving forward. I personally don't think Nuke was the difference in winning and losing the playoff series, but his absence certainly had an impact. If he's got addiction issues, then he needs to get help and hopefully he can get on the other side clean. If those addiction issues stemmed from the medical staff giving opioids out like candy or botched medical treatment... that needs to be addressed. If he has sexual assault or violence issues (and FTR zero indication that is the case here), I'd prefer him not on the team as it would be a matter of time before an incident happened. If he has addiction issues and he refuses to get help at the team's detriment... I'd also prefer him not on the team. It simply impacts a core player on the team to a pretty high degree, which impacts the team to a pretty high degree. That is the top concern for me as a fan. What impact does this have on the Avs? What issues did the Avs cause? What are they doing about it?

We had pages and pages of debate on Vrana and many here stated they wouldn't want nor would the Avs want a player with those issues. Turns out the Avs probably have a player with those issues. Said player is about to enter the 2nd year of an 8 year deal.

For those saying they want to keep it as quiet as possible and we shouldn't know any details... that's the same thought process that Chicago took with the Beech situation. We don't know the depth and gravity of this... odds are it doesn't hit that level, but there is evidence this isn't the cleanest of situations.

 

[JLo217]

I don't personally care about the details of what happened in the room or the issues that Nuke has on a personal level. On Nuke's personal side, I just hope he gets help. I care about the impact on the team that happened this year and moving forward. I personally don't think Nuke was the difference in winning and losing the playoff series, but his absence certainly had an impact. If he's got addiction issues, then he needs to get help and hopefully he can get on the other side clean. If those addiction issues stemmed from the medical staff giving opioids out like candy or botched medical treatment... that needs to be addressed. If he has sexual assault or violence issues (and FTR zero indication that is the case here), I'd prefer him not on the team as it would be a matter of time before an incident happened. If he has addiction issues and he refuses to get help at the team's detriment... I'd also prefer him not on the team. It simply impacts a core player on the team to a pretty high degree, which impacts the team to a pretty high degree. That is the top concern for me as a fan. What impact does this have on the Avs? What issues did the Avs cause? What are they doing about it?

We had pages and pages of debate on Vrana and many here stated they wouldn't want nor would the Avs want a player with those issues. Turns out the Avs probably have a player with those issues. Said player is about to enter the 2nd year of an 8 year deal.

For those saying they want to keep it as quiet as possible and we shouldn't know any details... that's the same thought process that Chicago took with the Beech situation. We don't know the depth and gravity of this... odds are it doesn't hit that level, but there is evidence this isn't the cleanest of situations.

If the Avs win the lottery after it leaks out then that’s a win.

Honestly I hope if it distracts the team at all Nuke is gone. I’m also a little concerned as a fan of a possible cover up by the Avs here.

 

[AllAboutAvs]

With the latest news on Landy I bet the Avs do everything they can to have Nuke in the lineup next season.

 

[Nihiliste]

Let's not forget one thing: If Nuke doesn't leave the team no one knows that the prostitute was in his room or anything about this story at all. Including his wife.

He could have skipped game 3, the team would have said LBI (or illness) and no one would have questioned anything.

He left the team in the middle of the playoffs for a damn good reason.

I think the issue was more how messed uk the woman was. They would have ubered her home if they could have, but she was so intoxicated they had to call 911. As far as I can tell, that’s what blew the coverup and that’s why he had to leave.

 

[cccoltsicehockey]

Wow. MacFarland's answer about Nuke make it seem like they don't expect him back to start next season.

 

[LOFIN]

Wow. MacFarland's answer about Nuke make it seem like they don't expect him back to start next season.

Well what did he say?

 

[cccoltsicehockey]

Well what did he say?

Basically said between the lines at least the way I took it that there is no timeline for his return. Anytime after that that he wasn't asked about Nuke, which several people tried, he said that "they can't say anything more than they have on the Nuke situation".

Edit: To add further to this. I know others have mentioned it and I hadn't been totally on board with taking it that far yet. But this is pretty much exactly how they handled the Wilson situation. The only difference is there wasn't a police report that put it in the news.

 

[LOFIN]

Basically said between the lines at least the way I took it that there is no timeline for his return. Anytime after that that he wasn't asked about Nuke, which several people tried, he said that "they can't say anything more than they have on the Nuke situation".

That doesn't mean he's not going to be available. It's a long time until drop of the puck next season.

 

[Alienblood]

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That doesn't mean he's not going to be available. It's a long time until drop of the puck next season.

U can watch landy and CMac on YouTube link from a page or so back.

 

[LOFIN]

U can watch landy and CMac on YouTube link from a page or so back.

I've read the quotes, nothing in those suggest that they are not expecting him to be back.

If there was an issue which could result in breach of contract, surely we would know by now. Otherwise, he's coming back once he unf***s himself.

 

[Alienblood]

I've read the quotes, nothing in those suggest that they are not expecting him to be back.

If there was an issue which could result in breach of contract, surely we would know by now. Otherwise, he's coming back once he unf***s himself.

Ok I just watched it and thought you might want to.

Yes he expects Nuke back at some point

 

[henchman21]

I didn’t get the idea that he wasn’t expected back at some point. They clearly don’t want to comment on it though.

 

[Reparlana]

Wow. MacFarland's answer about Nuke make it seem like they don't expect him back to start next season.

What was it???

 

[LOFIN]

What was it???

 

[Reparlana]

Yeah that's pretty cryptic wooweeee

 

[LOFIN]

Yeah that's pretty cryptic wooweeee

To me, it basically says it's a personal issue. I doubt the team would be hoping him to be back if he had some type of legal trouble or breach of contract or something.

 

[Northern Avs Fan]

McFarland said nothing.

I don’t think you can really speculate that it’s worse, or better.

I give credit to Gabe Landeskog for the transparency through his situation, because I think his news has come from him, not the Avs. We’re getting the complete opposite on Nichushkin.

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

To me the phrasing CMac used here is pretty telling.

Sounds an awful lot like he's in some sort of a rehab facility and doesn't want it to be public knowledge. I believe the Avs hands would subsequently be tied in that situation to where they literally cant say anything if Val doesn't want anything to be said.

 

[The Kingslayer]

Its probably rehab. Leave him alone. Let him figure it out. If he wants to continue playing hockey with the Avs great. If he decides hes done and wants to do something else then all the best. Thanks for helping the Avs win the cup with a monster playoffs.

 

[S E P H]

McFarland said nothing.

I don’t think you can really speculate that it’s worse, or better.

I give credit to Gabe Landeskog for the transparency through his situation, because I think his news has come from him, not the Avs. We’re getting the complete opposite on Nichushkin.

The "hope" in the second half of that sentence means they don't really know what the future holds, which is pretty telling...well, to me anyway...

 

[JLo217]

To me the phrasing CMac used here is pretty telling.

Sounds an awful lot like he's in some sort of a rehab facility and doesn't want it to be public knowledge. I believe the Avs hands would subsequently be tied in that situation to where they literally cant say anything if Val doesn't want anything to be said.

While there isn't anything legal popping up right now, gotta think the radio silence to some level is around his work visa eligibility.

 

[sethro109]

While there isn't anything legal popping up right now, gotta think the radio silence to some level is around his work visa eligibility.

It could also be that he's entered a help facility and the team needs his permission to make a statement.

 

[henchman21]

It could also be that he's entered a help facility and the team needs his permission to make a statement.

If it is through the player's assistance program (and logically, this would be the path), Nuke doesn't need to give permission for a statement. That doesn't mean the team is forced to make a statement, but they don't have to have Nuke sign off on it. If Nuke has not entered rehab, then the Avs cannot comment via the player's assistance program. To me, the signals are all showing Nuke has an issue, the team wants him to address it and likely enter rehab through the player's assistance program, and Nuke has not done so yet thus no announcement. There really isn't a ton of pressure during the summer to say much. When it comes to the season if it isn't hammered out, the cap implications will put pressure on it. It is basically treated like LTIR, so some sort of statement is likely to be made if it extends that long.

 

[UncleRisto]

To me the phrasing CMac used here is pretty telling.

Sounds an awful lot like he's in some sort of a rehab facility and doesn't want it to be public knowledge. I believe the Avs hands would subsequently be tied in that situation to where they literally cant say anything if Val doesn't want anything to be said.

I don't think there are any privacy laws relevant here where things couldn't be disclosed for public interest, but I could be mistaken. Of course, that doesn't mean the Avs should want to do that.

 

[sethro109]

If it is through the player's assistance program (and logically, this would be the path), Nuke doesn't need to give permission for a statement. That doesn't mean the team is forced to make a statement, but they don't have to have Nuke sign off on it. If Nuke has not entered rehab, then the Avs cannot comment via the player's assistance program. To me, the signals are all showing Nuke has an issue, the team wants him to address it and likely enter rehab through the player's assistance program, and Nuke has not done so yet thus no announcement. There really isn't a ton of pressure during the summer to say much. When it comes to the season if it isn't hammered out, the cap implications will put pressure on it. It is basically treated like LTIR, so some sort of statement is likely to be made if it extends that long.

Are we sure there's no confidentiality agreement in NHL players contracts? Like.... if Nuke entered a clinic outside of the players assistance program, what happens then?