Confirmed with Link: Nichushkin back in assistance program; suspended a minimum of six months

[Cousin Eddie]

That's not why he got them by the balls. He got them by the balls because he's untradable and they can't buy him out.

The reason why they waited that long to say that they'll welcome him back on the roster is because they took the time to look at all their options and it was the only realistic one.

Not at all. That’s the opinion of a lot of fans but the organization simply have no interest in buying him out and letting him help somebody win a cup for free.

They’d trade him, but again it wouldn’t be for free.

We have a competitive front office and a competitive group of players who are all aware that Nuke is one of the most dominant forwards in the NHL on one of the best contracts in the NHL relative to what he brings on the ice.

 

[Balthazar]

Not at all. That’s the opinion of a lot of fans but the organization simply have no interest in buying him out and letting him help somebody win a cup for free.

They’d trade him, but again it wouldn’t be for free.

We have a competitive front office and a competitive group of players who are all aware that Nuke is one of the most dominant forwards in the NHL on one of the best contracts in the NHL relative to what he brings on the ice.

That's pure fan talk.

Now let's go back to reality and watch previous CMac interviews about what they are going to do with Nuke. He literally said several times that he didn't know and they were looking at all their options. If they initially wanted him back because he's so good and they are so competitive they'd have said it.

 

[missionAvs]

That's pure fan talk.

Now let's go back to reality and watch previous CMac interviews about what they are going to do with Nuke. He literally said several times that he didn't know and they were looking at all their options. If they initially wanted him back because he's so good and they are so competitive they'd have said it.

This is all pure fan talk too lol. Just as likely it's because what I mentioned, because of what you mentioned, or a combination of both, or maybe something completely undisclosed (for all we know, Nuke might be the supplier of the good shit for the rest of the team). The bottom line is that Nuke has this team by the balls lol.

 

[AvsMakar08]

It's crazy that Sakic comes out and quotes something that I said a few month ago about Nuke and Sakic welcoming him back with open arms. I am just glad that Sakic has not mentioned the Colorado River because if he will then he most likely reads this Avs forum. Sakic probably knows that we have a lot of smart posters here who can give him advise.

 

[Snow Arc]

Nuke = drugs?

 

[henchman21]

People should really take the public statements with a grain of salt. How quickly we all forget the puff piece on Nuke in the playoffs. Where the whole team was making comments on how well he was doing on and off the ice. How he had things together. Then a mere few days later it was 'he made his choices.'

 

[RoyIsALegend]

A good mafia controls the press and is careful on what they communicate.

 

[Freudian]

This version of Avs have to have a Nichushkin on the ice contributing and everyone knows it. I'm sure it rubs some in the organization the wrong way, but winning cures everything. Life's fully of compromises and I can think of worse ones than this one.

It would be darkly comedic if he f***s them over in the playoffs once again. That would be the stuff of legends around here.

 

[henchman21]

This version of Avs have to have a Nichushkin on the ice contributing and everyone knows it. I'm sure it rubs some in the organization the wrong way, but winning cures everything. Life's fully of compromises and I can think of worse ones than this one.

It would be darkly comedic if he f***s them over in the playoffs once again. That would be the stuff of legends around here.

The most likely situation is that the though. A relapse (or never quit) that hurts a playoff run again. Just gotta hope it doesn’t happen after the deadline.

 

[Balthazar]

Saying that the Avs can't afford to lose their 4th or 5th best player is ridiculous.

The Avs can't afford to lose 6.125M of cap space but they sure as f*** could afford to replace Nuke if there was a way out. There's none so we're stuck with trying to win with him.

 

[LTCPain75]

The Colorado Avalanche are saying all the right things about Valeri Nichushkin The Colorado Avalanche are saying all the right things about Valeri Nichushkin

 

[henchman21]

The Colorado Avalanche are saying all the right things about Valeri Nichushkin The Colorado Avalanche are saying all the right things about Valeri Nichushkin

The value of Valeri Nichushkin on display for Avs since his return from player assistance program

Valeri Nichushkin is lifting the Colorado Avalanche after taking the time to help himself. The big forward missed nearly two months of the regular season as he received care from the NHLPA/NHL Player Assistance Program for issues that have not been disclosed.

apnews.com

Avs have these guys trained up.

 

[missionAvs]

The value of Valeri Nichushkin on display for Avs since his return from player assistance program

Valeri Nichushkin is lifting the Colorado Avalanche after taking the time to help himself. The big forward missed nearly two months of the regular season as he received care from the NHLPA/NHL Player Assistance Program for issues that have not been disclosed.

apnews.com

Avs have these guys trained up.

They're all using ChatGPT to come up with these "right statements" lol.

 

[Balthazar]

Wonder what Zach Parise, who joined the Avs for his last chance to win the cup, thinks of this

 

[Avs_19]

Wonder what Zach Parise, who joined the Avs for his last chance to win the cup, thinks of this

Should've gone ring chasing elsewhere if he has a problem with it.

 

[HartKinnon]

Wonder what Zach Parise, who joined the Avs for his last chance to win the cup, thinks of this

That’s weird take and i dont get it why someone should care about Parise. Parise himself left Cup contending team to chase a bag from Mild.

 

[Alienblood]

Wonder what Zach Parise, who joined the Avs for his last chance to win the cup, thinks of this

who cares what he thinks

 

[Balthazar]

who cares what he thinks

Right. Who cares about the people who got screwed when we can side with the perpetrator

 

[Ararana]

Right. Who cares about the people who got screwed when we can side with the perpetrator

f*** 'em both

 

[Foppa2118]

Bringing this from the training camp thread:

Again, it's not what I'm saying and not what you were saying. Saying the baby is likely traumatized for life is pure speculation.

I agree. Speculation is fine, but we've conflated speculation with fact too much IMO since the Seattle incident. On a variety of subjects, including the details in Seattle.

We know almost nothing about what drug Val does (we can guess), how often he does it, how functional he is, if he does it at home, if he has a good sober relationship with his kid, what his relationship is with his wife, etc.

We don't know if he does it every day, or every week, or once month, etc. All we know is he got caught twice. It's obviously an issue to the extent that he couldn't stop, when he knew his team depended on him, but that still doesn't tell us enough to know the impact on his family.

"Traumatized" is a very strong word. Unless he's under the influence around his baby, or it impacts his relationship with his family in some other way that the baby can see, then we have no idea how much it has impacted them. "Traumatized" requires a BIG impact.

I've known people who's parents were addicts and they turned out as normal as you could imagine, and say they didn't even know when their parent was using. And they were older than babies at the time. I knew their parents at the time too, and they say they were probably using when they were around me, but I couldn't tell.

It's certainly possible the kid ends up traumatized in some way, but stating that as a fact, requires a lot more information than we have.

 

[expatriatedtexan]

Bringing this from the training camp thread:



I agree. Speculation is fine, but we've conflated speculation with fact too much IMO since the Seattle incident. On a variety of subjects, including the details in Seattle.

We know almost nothing about what drug Val does (we can guess), how often he does it, how functional he is, if he does it at home, if he has a good sober relationship with his kid, what his relationship is with his wife, etc.

We don't know if he does it every day, or every week, or once month, etc. All we know is he got caught twice. It's obviously an issue to the extent that he couldn't stop, when he knew his team depended on him, but that still doesn't tell us enough to know the impact on his family.

"Traumatized" is a very strong word. Unless he's under the influence around his baby, or it impacts his relationship with his family in some other way that the baby can see, then we have no idea how much it has impacted them. "Traumatized" requires a BIG impact.

I've known people who's parents were addicts and they turned out as normal as you could imagine, and say they didn't even know when their parent was using. And they were older than babies at the time. I knew their parents at the time too, and they say they were probably using when they were around me, but I couldn't tell.

It's certainly possible the kid ends up traumatized in some way, but stating that as a fact, requires a lot more information than we have.

I'm sorry @Foppa2118, but we have a very different understanding of early childhood development. I can not agree with much of anything you said here other than ""Traumatized" is a very strong word." It is indeed...but it is also indeed occurring in this instance.

 

[Foppa2118]

I'm sorry @Foppa2118, but we have a very different understanding of early childhood development. I can not agree with much of anything you said here other than ""Traumatized" is a very strong word." It is indeed...but it is also indeed occurring in this instance.

I don't think I've given you my opinion of early childhood development though.

I gave one example of someone who was much older than a baby having an addict as a parent and it not traumatizing them in any way. Not that it couldn't have, but that it didn't. Meaning it doesn't always, and it's speculation, not fact to say Val's kid is for sure "traumatized for life."

For the sake of argument, let's say a father does coke a few times a week or less, but not at home, and doesn't have a bad relationship with their wife. Their kid is 1-2 years old, sleeps most of the time, and their father loves them, and spends quality time bonding with them.

In what way is their baby is "traumatized for life" and how do we know that's a fact and not speculation? what if they quit tomorrow? Is their baby still traumatized for life? It should be, if that was the case before.

 

[expatriatedtexan]

I don't think I've given you my opinion of early childhood development though.

I gave one example of someone who was much older than a baby having an addict as a parent and it not traumatizing them in any way. Not that it couldn't have, but that it didn't. Meaning it doesn't always, and it's speculation, not fact to say Val's kid is for sure "traumatized for life."

For the sake of argument, let's say a father does coke a few times a week or less, but not at home, and doesn't have a bad relationship with their wife. Their kid is 1-2 years old, sleeps most of the time, and their father loves them, and spends quality time bonding with them.

In what way is their baby is "traumatized for life" and how do we know that's a fact and not speculation? what if they quit tomorrow? Is their baby still traumatized for life? It should be, if that was the case before.

Absolutely correct, you hadn't.

I will just say this, if I had ever seen the unicorn you mentioned in bold, I would probably feel different. In fact, I thought that way about cocaine and it's effect until I became close enough to someone with a problem. Then I "understood" the shit-storms that can arise our of no-where.

I'm not trying to disparage Nuke or say he can't have a great life, be a great player and even more importantly a great father. I'm just suggesting that it's going to take a lot more honesty than he's provided so far...not to me. I don't give a shit about that. But he needs to give it to his family, his friends, his co-workers. Those he's involved with. I'm just an asshole on the internet.

 

[Foppa2118]

Absolutely correct, you hadn't.

I will just say this, if I had ever seen the unicorn you mentioned in bold, I would probably feel different. In fact, I thought that way about cocaine and it's effect until I became close enough to someone with a problem. Then I "understood" the shit-storms that can arise our of no-where.

I'm not trying to disparage Nuke or say he can't have a great life, be a great player and even more importantly a great father. I'm just suggesting that it's going to take a lot more honesty than he's provided so far...not to me. I don't give a shit about that. But he needs to give it to his family, his friends, his co-workers. Those he's involved with. I'm just an asshole on the internet.

I think the point I'm trying to make isn't that Val couldn't be having the impact on his baby that you do. It's that we have no way of knowing, because we know so little.

We have no idea what his relationship with his family is, or what his home situation is like. We don’t know how often he uses, what he’s like when he uses, we don’t even know for a fact what he uses. Sounds like cocaine, but again we don't know.

Stating their baby is traumatized for life REQUIRES most, if not all of that information, and without it, we’re just speculating, not stating inarguable facts that apply to 100% of children in similar circumstances.

I don't think the bolded is quite the unicorn you do. Certainly in the minority, especially in terms of addicts in general, but among wealthy individuals who don't encounter the financial and legal problems that come with being an addict, it's certainly possible. Especially the impact on a 1-2 year old.

In fact, I would guess there's probably lots of hockey players, athletes, celebrities, and public figures who have a similar level of dependency on something, that Val does, and we have no idea. Many with kids.

To get back to my hypothetical, if people like that had a problem for the first 1-2 years of their baby's life, but then they quit, it's very possible that their child won't end up with some type of lifelong trauma from it.

I place a very high importance on parenting, don't get me wrong. But I also place a high importance on objective facts and objective reality. I think it's important to make a clear distinction between objective facts and opinion/speculation, and not blend the two.

 

[lionsDen]

That's pure fan talk.

Now let's go back to reality and watch previous CMac interviews about what they are going to do with Nuke. He literally said several times that he didn't know and they were looking at all their options. If they initially wanted him back because he's so good and they are so competitive they'd have said it.

And this is exactly why you guys get such bland say nothing quotes. They dont wanna show their hand.. publicaly