Player Discussion Nicholas Robertson vs. Ryan Reaves

[Ianturnedbull]

Ok so Robertson's stock has fallen so far now that you might as well compare him to Reaves.

N. Robertson

47 GP 8 Goals 4 Assists for 12 Points -3

Ryan Reaves

33 GP 0 Goals 2 Assists for 2 points -2

The big question is would Reaves get 12 points with Robertson's games played, TOI, and line mates?

Wouldn't you say that Domi's season has suffered by playing with Robertson so much?

6 times this season Robertson was given over 14 min. of ice time. Can't we put the most pedestrian Toronto Marlie in his place and get more?

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[Dekes For Days]

Robertson is 10,000x the player Reaves is.
Lol @ blaming Domi's poor play on Robertson.

 

[Apex Predator]

No Robertson is better than Reaves.

 

[ULF_55]

We hope there was no interest in him around the league.

Otherwise Leafs GM is ... um ... ahh ...

 

[Kiwi]

Ok so Robertson's stock has fallen so far now that you might as well compare him to Reaves.

N. Robertson

47 GP 8 Goals 4 Assists for 12 Points -3

Ryan Reaves

33 GP 0 Goals 2 Assists for 2 points -2

The big question is would Reaves get 12 points with Robertson's games played, TOI, and line mates?

Wouldn't you say that Domi's season has suffered by playing with Robertson so much?

6 times this season Robertson was given over 14 min. of ice time. Can't we put the most pedestrian Toronto Marlie in his place and get more?

Oh, a real Sophie's choice of suckage

Both of them have been brutal this season, it just depends on which flavor of suck you prefer

Reeves shouldn't even play so no to him on the 3rd line but I'd have given Steeves a decent look in Robertsons spot
He couldn't be worse

Domi's form is his own fault, he's an experienced player he shouldn't need kids to carry him it should be the other way around

 

[ULF_55]

No Robertson is better than Reaves.

There are tiers, and Robertson is a tier above the bottom.

 

[keonsbitterness]

As soon as I saw the title, I knew who started this thread.

 

[TMLBlueandWhite]

Would you rather get punched in the face or kicked in the balls?

I'll take the punch in the face and go with Reaves. He can at least throw a big hit or get in a scrap. Robertson is useless when he's not scoring.

And Robertson doesn't score enough to overcome his uselessness in all other areas of the game.

He's was supposed to be an elite sniper. But he's on pace for like ten goals. He goes to the net a bit more now and almost scores goals.

But almost goals is still the same as no goals.

Both Robertson and Reaves should have been waived. A couple one trick pony's who can't, or won't, perform their one trick are pretty useless. Almost as useless as that gym membership I bought.

It was a complete waste of money too.

 

[Voodoo Child]

Feel bad for Nicky Bobby, bet on himself and aside from a 5-6 game stretch still shows he can't hang. Having an all world shot is nice but if you can't learn to get open to use it, well sucks to suck. He'll get a PTO next year and if that doesn't stick then he's KHL bound.

Reavo should be bought out as soon as they inevitably lose round 1 game 7 3-2 in OT.

 

[klmdg]

Robertson is a sniper who is never open because he decided he's going to be an energy guy who chases the puck everywhere

I appreciate his effort, but he is so out of control that's he's off balance constantly

Reaves was washed up 5 years ago

 

[Ianturnedbull]

Doug Maclean used to say to one of his players who complained about playing on the 4th line:

"The reason I put you on the 4th line is because I don't have a 5th line to put you on!"

Reaves is probably a 5th line player, but I see Robertson as a 7th line player.

 

[thewave]

Doug Maclean used to say to one of his players who complained about playing on the 4th line:

"The reason I put you on the 4th line is because I don't have a 5th line to put you on!"

Reaves is probably a 5th line player, but I see Robertson as a 7th line player.

If Tre and Berube have any hockey sense whatsoever they get rid of both. I know Berube is saving Reaves for the playoffs. Where he won't be good either

 

[Ianturnedbull]

Robertson is 10,000x the player Reaves is.
Lol @ blaming Domi's poor play on Robertson.

This is your most shocking post to date.

If we were to multiply things by 10,000, Robertson would be greater than Wayne Gretzky.

I get your point, but you are emotional here. Drunken math doesn't seem like you at all.

Give Reaves 14 min. a night, 13 more games, better line mates, and a shot at PP2. He could match Robertson's production. I think almost any NHLer could.

 

[Dekes For Days]

If we were to multiply things by 10,000, Robertson would be greater than Wayne Gretzky. I get your point, but you are emotional here. Drunken math doesn't seem like you at all.

Give Reaves 14 min. a night, 13 more games, better line mates, and a shot at PP2. He could match Robertson's production. I think almost any NHLer could.

It's called hyperbole to emphasize how ridiculous the idea is. The point is that Robertson is a massively better hockey player. The only thing giving Reaves more ice time does is allow him to hurt the team even more. Also, Robertson doesn't even get 14 minutes. He gets 12.

 

[Ianturnedbull]

It's called hyperbole to emphasize how ridiculous the idea is. The point is that Robertson is a massively better hockey player. The only thing giving Reaves more ice time does is allow him to hurt the team even more. Also, Robertson doesn't even get 14 minutes. He gets 12.

He's not massively better. That's hyperbole too.

When you look at Robertson's game logs:

1× over 15 min
4x over 14 min
1x over 16 min
1x over 17 min

Any player in the NHL could do a lot more with this opportunity. Reaves could for sure.

Robertson has been expensive for this organization. I'm not talking about his contract. I'm talking about the investment in this player: from drafting, the AHL, and now on the Leafs.

 

[jaric1862]

Both players should not be on the team come playoff time.

 

[Dekes For Days]

He's not massively better.

He is massively better.

When you look at Robertson's game logs:

1× over 15 min
4x over 14 min
1x over 16 min
1x over 17 min

That's 7 games you've cherry picked. He's played 47. He averages 12 minutes.

Any player in the NHL could do a lot more with this opportunity. Reaves could for sure.

Tons of NHL players would do less with the opportunity Robertson has gotten, and Reaves isn't even at NHL player quality.

Robertson has been expensive for this organization. I'm not talking about his contract. I'm talking about the investment in this player: from drafting, the AHL, and now on the Leafs.

We've gotten decent return on investment. Much better than Reaves, that's for sure.

 

[Ianturnedbull]

He is massively better.

That's 7 games you've cherry picked. He's played 47. He averages 12 minutes.

Tons of NHL players would do less with the opportunity Robertson has gotten, and Reaves isn't even at NHL player quality.

We've gotten decent return on investment. Much better than Reaves, that's for sure.

Its not. I'm only highlighting that those 7 games are a great opportunity for any player.

 

[Dekes For Days]

I'm only highlighting that those 7 games are a great opportunity for any player.

A few games of slightly less bad opportunity mixed into a sea of bad opportunity is not great opportunity.

 

[Stephen]

He's not massively better. That's hyperbole too.

When you look at Robertson's game logs:

1× over 15 min
4x over 14 min
1x over 16 min
1x over 17 min

Any player in the NHL could do a lot more with this opportunity. Reaves could for sure.

Robertson has been expensive for this organization. I'm not talking about his contract. I'm talking about the investment in this player: from drafting, the AHL, and now on the Leafs.

I don't mind the Leafs investing time on prospects like Robertson, give them time in the organization and chances to become a player. That's what good organizations do.

I'm generally not a fan of his game but I think he's been a little better lately, more noticeable and effective carrying the puck up the ice and making plays, although there's very little control to his game. But the scoring isn't there, he never gets the shot off.

The Reaves/Robertson comparison is a little out of left field though. Yeah it's a roster spot at the bottom of the roster and two guys who occupy that spot. And yes, Reaves isn't doing his job as a 12th forward enforcer at all. But it's on Robertson that he's that far down in the lineup to begin with. He's supposed to be a lot better than that, he even thought so himself with the trade request. Put it another way, if he was doing what he's supposed to be, he would have risen up the ranks a la Bobby McMann with a similar stats line.

 

[kevsh]

The Leafs would be better off without both of them, but whatever happens Robertson can't be anywhere near the top 9 going into the playoffs.

There's lots of reasons this team will likely be out knocked quickly again, but not finding an upgrade to Nick will be one of them. A minor one, but still.

 

[BraveCanadian]

They refuse to play Robertson to his strengths or with players that can get the most out of him.. or to play him much at all tbh.

Even with all that said, there is literally no reason to ever have Reeves in the lineup over him. Reeves is an over the hill enforcer who doesn't enforce any more and is completely useless as an actual hockey player at this point. More money set on fire by this management.

 

[thewave]

They refuse to play Robertson to his strengths or with players that can get the most out of him.. or to play him much at all tbh.

Even with all that said, there is literally no reason to ever have Reeves in the lineup over him. Reeves is an over the hill enforcer who doesn't enforce any more and is completely useless as an actual hockey player at this point. More money set on fire by this management.

It's as stupid as when Burke refused to fire Wilson when he was preaching truculance. Ron Wilson was preach run and gun pretty much. The team was half and half and couldn't gel.

They are doing it again because Leafs

 

[All Mod Cons]

Robertson is an essential piece to any trade proposal.

I honestly couldn't understand what people saw in the guy. My brain didn't compute.

 

[Stephen]

Robertson is an essential piece to any trade proposal.

I honestly couldn't understand what people saw in the guy. My brain didn't compute.

I think people invest more into the Steve Sullivan/Martin St. Louis cautionary tale more than actually talk about the pros and cons to Robertson's game. He's great hustle and desire, good practice skills with the puck and an unusually devastating shot. But he's small, weak as hell on one on one battles, doesn't have high IQ to read a play other than to go full throttle 110%, and can't figure out how to get open to use his shot.

No one held him back so he couldn't take the McMann progression when this team has zero secondary scoring. The fact that he's stuck in 12th/13th forward with Reaves just says a lot about how his game isn't well suited to do all that much.