NHL trade deadline thread

[LokiDog]

It’s interesting but I think I’d pass for two reasons: (1) Schneider’s defensive numbers are BRUTAL. More than fixing handedness, we need a steady defensive guy for the top-4; and (2) this moves two of our best tradable assets and we don’t get a center back.

I don’t think the value is bad, I just don’t think it makes a ton of sense for us.

That’s why I came here to get the only takes that matter. I appreciate the candor.

I think Schneider’s numbers have a lot of room for improvement - I looked at the advanced stats for every D man who has played over 30 games this season earlier today (there’s 198, I was with my wife in the hospital the past 48 hours lol) and every Ranger aside from Fox has brutal defensive numbers, and Fox’s are barely positive himself. By comparison, Dahlin and Byram’s are both better than Fox this year and Power, Clifton and Samuelsson would be in the Rangers top 5. I think at 23 until next training camp, Schneider still has a lot to offer and fits you guys’ age range well, but still accept your answer. What if it was just Byram/Schneider? What’s the add from NYR?

 

[dickiedunnwrotethis]

It’s interesting but I think I’d pass for two reasons: (1) Schneider’s defensive numbers are BRUTAL. More than fixing handedness, we need a steady defensive guy for the top-4; and (2) this moves two of our best tradable assets and we don’t get a center back.

I don’t think the value is bad, I just don’t think it makes a ton of sense for us.

That's what Power is for.

 

[Tatanka]

Considering how solid he was coming out of Michigan, I have to put a lot of what we’re seeing is poor coaching. I just hope Ruff can un-Granato him who actively coached passive, soft play. Im not asking him to be Pronger but Haven’t seen enough personally from coaching from a carrot-stick aspect. No benching, no press box. Nothing to suggest the accountability enforced

He wasn’t solid at Michigan. He effing sucked defensively. He was a fourth forward on a juggernaut team. He doesn't like doing the hard part of being a dman which isto engage and clear.

 

[Jim Bob]

Not way off base but McLeod would probably be a no.

We can't trade 2 Centers ..we are already thin in that position.


I don't hate it but don't love it either.

Yeah, there is no way they can move 2 centers and only get a winger back when it comes to the forwards in a deal.

Well of course they weren't good together, I'd be surprised if it were otherwise.

Why do you want a short deal for him? Isn't he a UFA after that? Not sure he'd be okay with that, but I have no problem trading Byram if we can find two top 4 Ds elsewhere.

I agree with that, but I think there are very few options without trade protection and all of them may be questionable for you. Probably Whitecloud and Kesselring are the best options for me.

On the one hand, yes, but on the other hand, it works, so why touch it? Sure, we could find someone cheaper or just a complimentary player like Fabbro, but imagine if we do that and it doesn't work or that player just fails on his own and can handle big minutes. There's a certain risk there, too.

Byram also still showed a more complete game than Power, he is not as soft and is more versatile. He also has good playoff experience. I have no problem trading Power, especially if his price is high.

Last night was a bad night to talk about how well rounded Byram's game is and that he's not soft.

 

[Fjordsen]

Yeah, there is no way they can move 2 centers and only get a winger back when it comes to the forwards in a deal.






Last night was a bad night to talk about how well rounded Byram's game is and that he's not soft.

Well, we won't draw conclusions based on one game. If you want, trade both, I have no problem with that. This team and the defense in particular need a shake-up.

 

[Chainshot]

Yeah, there is no way they can move 2 centers and only get a winger back when it comes to the forwards in a deal.






Last night was a bad night to talk about how well rounded Byram's game is and that he's not soft.

Also to talk about how getting Power a partner is going to stop him from making stupid backhand passes up the middle and standing still on a 2-on-1 for a goal against. Unless whoever they get to be his partner is going need to be armed with a taser with that sort of play.

More like Opioid than OP.

 

[Chainshot]

Considering that Byram did try for a hit and clearly hurt himself earlier in the game -



...I'm not going to overly find fault with him not going balls out on a play later in the game. That still doesn't mean that somehow Power is now good in his own zone. I haven't hated a candyass for being so shit at his actual position like this since Phil Housley. It ain't about the hits, it isn't about fights - just act like you care about actually defending instead of being the Travolta on heroin meme of defensemen.

 

[Jim Bob]

Considering that Byram did try for a hit and clearly hurt himself earlier in the game -



...I'm not going to overly find fault with him not going balls out on a play later in the game. That still doesn't mean that somehow Power is now good in his own zone. I haven't hated a candyass for being so shit at his actual position like this since Phil Housley. It ain't about the hits, it isn't about fights - just act like you care about actually defending instead of being the Travolta on heroin meme of defensemen.

Neither Power nor Byram are looking like guys that can solidify the 2nd pairing anytime soon.

 

[Jimmybarndoor2]

Not finding a sucker to unload Cozens on before everyone caught on that he totally sucks was another catastrophic blunder by Kevyn..

IMO cozens has been one of our better forwards for the last few games and not scared of contact

 

[SnuggaRUDE]

Let's say Minnesota came calling for Tuch and were willing to put Spacek and one of their premium prospect forwards on the table. Do the Sabres bite?

 

[Fjordsen]

IMO cozens has been one of our better forwards for the last few games and not scared of contact

Where was he the rest of the season? What will he be like next season? The 40 point guy again who keeps making stupid mistakes or the current one?

Let's say Minnesota came calling for Tuch and were willing to put Spacek and one of their premium prospect forwards on the table. Do the Sabres bite?

Why do we need to trade Tuch for prospects?

 

[Sabreality]

Considering that Byram did try for a hit and clearly hurt himself earlier in the game -



...I'm not going to overly find fault with him not going balls out on a play later in the game. That still doesn't mean that somehow Power is now good in his own zone. I haven't hated a candyass for being so shit at his actual position like this since Phil Housley. It ain't about the hits, it isn't about fights - just act like you care about actually defending instead of being the Travolta on heroin meme of defensemen.

yeah I had the privilege of watching a guy like Toby Enstroms career, didn't hit, but understood positioning, stick work and leverage around the net and had offensive tools... and he was freaking 5'10, 180.

Even modern D-zone beasts like Faber (19 hits) & Slavin (17 hits) aren't necessarily 'physical', but they know how to do their damn job of playing defense.

 

[Jim Bob]

Let's say Minnesota came calling for Tuch and were willing to put Spacek and one of their premium prospect forwards on the table. Do the Sabres bite?

I sure as heck hope not.

The Sabres do not need to be in the business of trading adults for kids.

 

[Beerz]

yeah I had the privilege of watching a guy like Toby Enstroms career, didn't hit, but understood positioning, stick work and leverage around the net and had offensive tools... and he was freaking 5'10, 180.

Even modern D-zone beasts like Faber (19 hits) & Slavin (17 hits) aren't necessarily 'physical', but they know how to do their damn job of playing defense.

You at least have to lean on your man.. push him out of lanes. Don't need to register hits for that

 

[SnuggaRUDE]

Where was he the rest of the season? What will he be like next season? The 40 point guy again who keeps making stupid mistakes or the current one?


Why do we need to trade Tuch for prospects?

I don't think Buffalo NEEDS to trade him for prospects but the Wild have some older guys like Spacek and Ohgren who are very close.

 

[Fjordsen]

I don't think Buffalo NEEDS to trade him for prospects but the Wild have some older guys like Spacek and Ohgren who are very close.

But they're still prospects, unproven guys, we're ready to go back to being the youngest team in the league and still suck by trading one of our best forwards for kids? I just want to understand the point of this.

 

[SnuggaRUDE]

But they're still prospects, unproven guys, we're ready to go back to being the youngest team in the league and still suck by trading one of our best forwards for kids? I just want to understand the point of this.

I guess it's somewhat predicated on him not being interested in resigning (hypothetically). But of the teams who will be interested in him the Wild could put together a very compelling package imo.

 

[Fjordsen]

I guess it's somewhat predicated on him not being interested in resigning (hypothetically). But of the teams who will be interested in him the Wild could put together a very compelling package imo.

But then why not find a more hockey deal with some team?

 

[My Cozen Dylan]

I guess it's somewhat predicated on him not being interested in resigning (hypothetically). But of the teams who will be interested in him the Wild could put together a very compelling package imo.

Tuch would either be used in a one-for-one hockey trade for a C or defensive top-4 D, or he will be *part* of a package for an elite player. He won't be the biggest name in a quality for quantity deal.

This also applies to Cozens, Quinn, Byram, Power, etc.

 

[Jim Bob]

I guess it's somewhat predicated on him not being interested in resigning (hypothetically). But of the teams who will be interested in him the Wild could put together a very compelling package imo.

They cannot even talk to Tuch about an extension yet. So, it is premature to talk about trading him.

If they don't want to re-sign him (I think they should), then maybe see what the offers are.

But, I would probably look to move him in mid-July if he isn't open to an extension. But, I wouldn't target a Tuch for kids and futures deal. They should be searching out a deal where Tuch moves for a vet at a position of need. Maybe they package Cozens and Tuch or Byram and Tuch, for instance.

 

[Chainshot]

yeah I had the privilege of watching a guy like Toby Enstroms career, didn't hit, but understood positioning, stick work and leverage around the net and had offensive tools... and he was freaking 5'10, 180.

Even modern D-zone beasts like Faber (19 hits) & Slavin (17 hits) aren't necessarily 'physical', but they know how to do their damn job of playing defense.

Those two are master classes in positioning, stick work and details. How I wish they had someone who could play like that over a long stretch instead of tease with a month or two and then get hurt and forget how to play hockey. *cough*Sammy*cough*

 

[Ace]

Byram played the game last night people pretend Power plays every night

And he’s getting excused for it

Everyone needs to check their bias at this point

 

[BloFan4Life]

JJ being shopped is STUNNING. Seriously, what is wrong with Adams. Only thing I can think of is how cheap we are and dont want to pay him.

 

[Fjordsen]

JJ being shopped is STUNNING. Seriously, what is wrong with Adams. Only thing I can think of is how cheap we are and dont want to pay him.

What makes you think that we shopped JJ?

 

[BloFan4Life]

What makes you think that we shopped JJ?

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