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Post-Game Talk: NHL Trade Deadline - Canucks trade Diaz for a 5th, Kesler remains a Canuck

Tiranis

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Bleach Clean said:
Is there a trade, besides the Vanek deal, that you felt was cheaper at this deadline than in deadline's past?

I never though Hemsky would pull anything of consequence. Same with Legwand. Any others?
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I just think that the buyers gave up a whole lot of nothing for decent players. I'm not saying I expected Legwand to fetch a ton but even then he fetched less. I also expected a better return on Moulson.

Let's remember when Gaustad fetched a 1st. Really, it's the amount of trades that returned quantity rather than one quality (or even average) asset.
 
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Drop the Sopel said:
Those days could be a thing of the past, if today's market is any indication of what the next few years hold...

Teams like the Ducks had franchise players that were still young - and they drafted a ton and stockpiled young assets. The Canucks best players are old and their pipeline is very lean.

I took a hot of heat about 6 weeks ago for being negative about this teams future. Today, things look even bleaker IMO. Legitimately worried this re-tool will have to be of the long, drawn out variety. Worst deadline in memory.
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I think we should take a deep breath.

We managed to at least get a project player in Markstrom for Luongo, and this doesn't mean that Kesler can't be traded at the draft. Hell, did anyone think we'd be able to get anything other than a bad contract in return for Luongo after last deadline? The prices weren't really there at the deadline like they had been in the past....and I think once we get an idea of the crazy contract demands on the UFA market we're going to see a market heat up for Kesler, who is a unique player that 29 other teams would love to have on an absolutely perfect contract from a trade perspective IMO. It would have been nice to see some young players coming back, perhaps even ones we can see down the stretch here to make the rest of the games more interesting....but it won't change the fortunes of the rebuild really.

I don't disagree that dark times are ahead, but that was going to be the case anyways. We weren't going to be a better team next year or 2 years from now by dealing Ryan Kesler at the deadline.
 
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Bleach Clean said:
Is there a trade, besides the Vanek deal, that you felt was cheaper at this deadline than in deadline's past?

I never though Hemsky would pull anything of consequence. Same with Legwand. Any others?


Edit: People seem to be really emotional today...
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I don't think you saw the standard frenzy and overpayments that you usually see on Trade deadline day, thats for sure.

Many teams you'd think would sell pieces and had pieces to sell just stood pat. A team like Calgary comes to mind. They couldn't find value and weren't about to give people away..
 

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vanwest said:
I have to admit I'm puzzled by this years deadlne compared to last years where players like Clarkson got insane deals. Could the NHL GM's be getting more cost conscious? I honestly doubt it as they've always spent like drunk sailors every year at the trade deadline. I think this year is likely an aberration and the drunken sailors will be back in the bar next year.
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Are you confusing the trading deadline and free agency?
 

Drop the Sopel

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Bleach Clean said:
I agree. It's likely an aberration and that viewpoint is tied to a few select players being dealt. Namely, Vanek. The prices were cheap, but not overtly so IMO. It was just the market this year.
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When Brian Burke doesn't even bother moving Cammalleri, you know the marketplace is turned on it's ear. Cammalleri has apparently let it be known he's moving on. Burke couldn't even bring himself to move him for a pittance - probably for principal.

how manmy teams do you think paid exhorbitant prices this deadline? Past years there have been countless examples of this.
 
Bleach Clean

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Tiranis said:
I just think that the buyers gave up a whole lot of nothing for decent players. I'm not saying I expected Legwand to fetch a ton but even then he fetched less. I also expected a better return on Moulson.

Let's remember when Gaustad fetched a 1st. Really, it's the amount of trades that returned quantity rather than one quality (or even average) asset.
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I thought Legwand would go for a 2nd + prospect, so his return is not surprising to me. Same with Moulson (flawed player). I guess it comes down to expectations...

Gaustad is an outlier. Cannot judge quality based on his example.
 
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Siludin said:
Nobody on the TSN panel has credible connections with the Canucks and you can see how flustered and confused they get whenever the team comes up.

Can someone please tell me of a single thing they have gotten right about this team in the past four years, outside of getting involved in the Luongo deal with Toronto last year (that didn't go through anyway)? And that's only because Dreger is Nonis' cousin.

There was a rumor of Gillis telling his staff fake information about trades a couple of years ago (Perry to Vancouver, anyone?, and then firing the employee that leaked the fake information to the media (he tracked a person based on what he told them). I don't think anyone is wasting their time and risking their jobs talking to any of those guys.
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That's so smart. :handclap:

TSN just hates on Gillis because they have no information.
 
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vanwest said:
A pretty level headed post, IMO. I'm going to wait until the draft to pass judgment as I think we need to make a deal by then. I'm happy that we got the Luongo mess cleaned up this trade deadline so for me that's enough.

On the positive side, it's encouraging for me to see how franchises can rebuild so quickly. A year or so ago I thought the Ducks had blown it and the Sharks looked also to be done. Things can turn quickly with one good draft and a couple of decent trades.
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You need to build though the draft plain and simple.

You need quality on Entry Level or RFA deals. Hitting the homerun with UFAs and trades is over.

In 6 years, Mike Gillis has 1 draft pick on the Canucks currently, and that is Jordan Schroeder, who was a healthy scratch 2 games ago.
 
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@TEAM1040: Gilman on reports owners prevented Kesler deal: It's complete and utter fantasy. We didn't have a deal we wanted to make. It isn't true
 

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Lmao Kesler clearly not happy being a Canuck.

Another disgruntled player that has one foot out the door
 

Tiranis

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On that whole thing with ownership overruling Gillis. I just wanted to mention something: Gillis is not just the GM, he's also the President of Hockey Ops. If his job was really in any sort of precarious position or he needed someone to oversee his work, they would just hire a President of Hockey Ops for that job. We've seen that happen with many franchises.

goodluckchuck said:
Lmao Kesler clearly not happy being a Canuck.

Another disgruntled player that has one foot out the door
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Don't really get that impression. IMHO and all that.
 

Siludin

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Rain said:
You need to build though the draft plain and simple.

You need quality on Entry Level or RFA deals. Hitting the homerun with UFAs and trades is over.

In 6 years, Mike Gillis has 1 draft pick on the Canucks currently, and that is Jordan Schroeder, who was a healthy scratch 2 games ago.
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Hodgson was his draft pick. He was an excellent pick. Get out of here with these stupid opinions.
 
Tobi Wan Kenobi

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Siludin said:
Nobody on the TSN panel has credible connections with the Canucks and you can see how flustered and confused they get whenever the team comes up.

Can someone please tell me of a single thing they have gotten right about this team in the past four years, outside of getting involved in the Luongo deal with Toronto last year (that didn't go through anyway)? And that's only because Dreger is Nonis' cousin.

There was a rumor of Gillis telling his staff fake information about trades a couple of years ago (Perry to Vancouver, anyone?, and then firing the employee that leaked the fake information to the media (he tracked a person based on what he told them). I don't think anyone is wasting their time and risking their jobs talking to any of those guys.
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Channeling his inner Tyrion Lannister.
 
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