Post-Game Talk: NHL Trade Deadline - Canucks trade Diaz for a 5th, Kesler remains a Canuck

[WetcoastOrca]

For me, today is one of the most disappointing days as a Canuck fan over the last decade. Not because Kesler wasn't dealt, but because today represents a shift in how teams manage their assets and the potential ramifications it's going to have on this franchise going forward. It appears it's going to be much tougher to extract good value out of veteran roster players and this will really hurt the Canucks chances of speeding up the re-tool/re-build.

There has to be some concern now on the timeframe of getting this team back to contender status. If it is going to be done mostly through the draft, we very well could be looking at a 5-7 period of struggles. Possibly longer.

Still boggles the mind how much asset value around the league has shifted in such a short period of time. Truly remarkable.

A pretty level headed post, IMO. I'm going to wait until the draft to pass judgment as I think we need to make a deal by then. I'm happy that we got the Luongo mess cleaned up this trade deadline so for me that's enough.

On the positive side, it's encouraging for me to see how franchises can rebuild so quickly. A year or so ago I thought the Ducks had blown it and the Sharks looked also to be done. Things can turn quickly with one good draft and a couple of decent trades.

 

[Diamonddog01]

When the best pieces to be moved this whole month to selling teams are two 2015 1st rounders (New York for St. Louis; and St. Louis for Ryan Miller), and Sebastian Collberg, in three separate deals, there is no job to get done.

I'm disappointed we have a redux of last year, and I hope Kesler can be moved at the draft... but c'mon let's not just give our players away. Let's not sell like the Oilers/Flames did.

Those were all for UFA's. Not a signed player.

This buyer's market applies to impending unresticted free agents. Kesler's case was different.

Each year there is some sort of excuse, circumstances beyond his control. It's a broken record to justify someone's inability to get the job done.

 

[Evidence]

I would understand the complaints if Kesler was a ufa and it was clear he wouldn't resign with the Canucks so the options were to trade him now or lose him for nothing, but he's signed for two more years and fwiw he denied the rumours that he wanted out. The worst outcome would have been to trade him for a ****** return in a buyers market.

 

[y2kcanucks]

There are "rumors" Kesler 100% squashed going to NYR

Makes sense. I guess he really doesn't like AV.

 

[Stonz]

A 2nd round pick for Reto Berra? What the hell is Colorado thinking?

At least they're consistent in overpaying for goalies.

 

[tc 23]

I would understand the complaints if Kesler was a ufa and it was clear he wouldn't resign with the Canucks so the options were to trade him now or lose him for nothing, but he's signed for two more years and fwiw he denied the rumours that he wanted out. The worst outcome would have been to trade him for a ****** return in a buyers market.

Yep. Save the pitchforks for if he isn't moved in the offseason.

 

[Sharpshooter]

If you want to complain about something complain that Booth wasn't traded for an ugly popcorn vendor.

The other 29 teams valued their ugly popcorn vendors more. At least they serve their fanbases better.

 

[Drop the Sopel]

If this persists, the NHL will need to think about what it can do to make things less stagnant going forward. You simply can't have a league where there are almost no players traded or signed in free agency, with all building happening through the draft. It makes for horrible entertainment.

If you ask me, the RFA rights are simply too long which is what creates this overvaluation of young players and gives teams too much time to lock these players up.

Whatever the cause, it's very very bad news for the Canucks. Will make it much tougher to re-tool on the fly and hope to be back in playoff contention in 2-3 years.

I think we could be looking at a very long dark period of Canuck hockey. Scary thought.

 

[canuck4life16]

....

what you hearing from your brother and the team......like focus on making playoffs

 

[John Bender*]

Blake price is an idiot. Omg. He's as smug as gillis.

 

[Lindt]

Don't forget Mason Raymond for a 1st round pick last deadline, the Sedins for MacKinnon, Edler for Drouin, Luongo for Patrick Kane, etc. Someone's got to get ahold of ownership and tell them to hire Y2K because this team would be a dynasty.

Is this for real?! Oh man...

 

[StIllmatic]

I can't believe some of you guys, step away from the computer for a bit and use your head. Why would Gillis trade Kesler for crap? You guys should be happy Gillis was smart enough not to make a move and now more teams can actually fit Kesler in for next season with the increased cap. This board is ridiculous, even some of the more respected posters seem to miss this.

 

[Yammer]

I think its worth discussing. So far I've seen credible people talk about Ownership:
1. Forcing Gillis to sign Luongo
2. Forcing Gillis to hire Torts
3. Forcing Gillis to trade Schneider and keep Luongo
4. Forcing Gillis to nix a potential Kesler trade

Are any of these credible? Who knows, but definitely a valid discussion at this point..

Plausible, yes. But we'll know more in a couple of months; if Gillis is relieved of duty or not. I suspect not, regardless of what James Duthie thinks.

I'm not sorry to keep Kesler or for that matter Edler. Those are quality players.

Surely it is the second-tier non productive players that could have been jettisoned (mind you, that would be basically the whole team minus Lack).

 

[Lindt]

So does someone want to tell me why so many people are angry Kesler was not dished, or can they not even explain it themselves

Pittsburghs package didn't fit this teams needs, more room to work with this off-season

Not angry, just leery of what happened with Luongo. Kesler absolutely cannot be on this team next season. His return is too valuable for a team attempting to rebuild on the fly.

 

[Dugray]

It is fitting. A disappointing trade deadline to go along with the disappointing season. At this point the only thing I feel comfortable entrusting Mike Gillis with getting done is to be red faced and sweaty. No one better than him there.

 

[John Bender*]

Blake price advocating firing tortorella because of the luongo snub. The guy is beyond an idiot.

 

[MrShift4]

The other 29 teams valued their ugly popcorn vendors more. At least they serve their fanbases better.

I was hoping we could at least scam Snow

 

[Lowkey]

For me, today is one of the most disappointing days as a Canuck fan over the last decade. Not because Kesler wasn't dealt, but because today represents a shift in how teams manage their assets and the potential ramifications it's going to have on this franchise going forward. It appears it's going to be much tougher to extract good value out of veteran roster players and this will really hurt the Canucks chances of speeding up the re-tool/re-build.

There has to be some concern now on the timeframe of getting this team back to contender status. If it is going to be done mostly through the draft, we very well could be looking at a 5-7 period of struggles. Possibly longer.

Still boggles the mind how much asset value around the league has shifted in such a short period of time. Truly remarkable.

Unconventional but perhaps a time to take advantage of the new market inefficiency - middle aged soft but skilled players. Either through free agency (see Raymond) or low acquisition cost in trade like the deals for Hemsky, Stempniak and Vanek. Obviously these guys are UFA's so off season trade targets would be different. Players like Hemsky and Raymond have obvious deficiencies but bring some skill and appear to becoming very under valued while players like David Clarkson generate a bidding war in free agency. I'm speaking in general here and not so much about the specific names mentioned but it seems like these players are very under appreciated league wide at the moment.

 

[RealGudbranson]

Those were all for UFA's. Not a signed player.

This buyer's market applies to impending unresticted free agents. Kesler's case was different.

Each year there is some sort of excuse, circumstances beyond his control. It's a broken record to justify someone's inability to get the job done.

I know everyone traded but St. Louis is a UFA. Why make a trade though, no-one is going to give anything of value? All those other GMs were not able to dictate the market, why should we expect Gillis to? Some things are out of his control. Selling Kesler for peanuts isn't, and he didn't do it.

 

[School of WristShot]

Disappointing day, but if indeed Pouliot was not included in the deal from the Pens (Sutter+Despres+1st), good on Gillis for not taking it. Or good on ownership for nixing the deal. BTW after looking at the some of the deals, would have been a good day to use obligatory 2nd/3rd picks for some scoring help especially with the freed up cap space by dealing Lu if we were making a push for the 8th place. I certainly would not have minded Hemsky at the price he was traded for.

 

[The Stig]

Blake price advocating firing tortorella because of the luongo snub. The guy is beyond an idiot.

Well we all know that

 

[Pip]

Buyers market

Meh

 

[Jimson Hogarth*]

Whatever the cause, it's very very bad news for the Canucks. Will make it much tougher to re-tool on the fly and hope to be back in playoff contention in 2-3 years.

I think we could be looking at a very long dark period of Canuck hockey. Scary thought.

Yes, if prices for quality veteran NHLrs remain this low its hard to see many avenues to improve the Canucks going forward...

Hopefully Kesler is willing to be patient if he wants to move, and then opens up his list of teams. The only way the Canucks get true value for Kesler is if we can get him to push his acceptable number of teams to 10..

 

[canuck4life16]

I can't believe some of you guys, step away from the computer for a bit and use your head. Why would Gillis trade Kesler for crap? You guys should be happy Gillis was smart enough not to make a move and now more teams can actually fit Kesler in for next season with the increased cap. This board is ridiculous, even some of the more respected posters seem to miss this.

It probably can't be worst than right now with the media and team1040 callers why gillis didn't trade kesler and the future is doom like calgary

 

[RandV]

some people just have to find some negative attack on the team because kesler is not traded............come on market is weak

Yeah the point of trading him now is that you should be able to get what you'd get on draft day plus a decent rental price, which should be at least an additional late first. Seeing what Vanek was traded for though, this was a horrible deadline day to sell at.