Post-Game Talk: NHL Trade Deadline - Canucks trade Diaz for a 5th, Kesler remains a Canuck

[me2]

First time poster here in the Canucks forum. I have to say that if I was a Canucks fan I would be disappointed with Gillis. If the Pens offered Olli Maatta for Kesler and Gillis turned that deal down, you guys should be really upset.

I'm shocked Nonis turned down Kesler for a 1st and Franson.

 

[mrmyheadhurts]

Gary Mason ‏@garymasonglobe 36m
Pitt offered Van B Sutter, 1st-rd this year; 2nd next for Kesler. Gillis wisely said no, needed prospects on top of. Pitt balked. So no deal

If that's true, what a joke of an offer. Gillis had every reason to walk, Shero was never serious if this was his final package. Again, if that is even true. It's hard to believe Shero seriously thought that would get him Kesler.

 

[me2]

I don't see the Rangers slipping that far down with the goalie they have. I still wouldn't take that package for Kesler.

I think there is a strong chance it is in the 10-20 range, which in 2015 could be a nice pick. Certainly gives Yzerman a chance to move up and make something happen or sit back and take a decent player. Compared to a late 20s pick, it has the chance to be promising prospect.

 

[Pip]

If that's true, what a joke of an offer. Gillis had every reason to walk, Shero was never serious if this was his final package. Again, if that is even true. It's hard to believe Shero seriously thought that would get him Kesler.

No kidding

 

[WinterEmpire]

If that Shero offer is true

LMFAO

But clearly gillis is the bad GM here, why didn't he pull the trigger!?!?

 

[Tifosi]

Thank God Gillis didn't bite, that's a pathetic offer that would set this franchise back for years.

 

[iFan]

If Kesler asked for a trade in the offseason Gillis should've moved him then, Gillis biggest flaw as a GM is holding on to for too long. All this rebuilding crap should've happened last offseason, like I was saying last summer, now we just got out of this Luongo thing to open up this Kesler thing, and rebuild questions circling this team. Gillis needs to learn how to make hard calls faster, he sits on it and sits on it and sits on it then it blows up.., Hodgson, Luongo/Schneider and now Kesler and Canucks rebuild. I don't mind Gillis and his moves but this sitting pat until its a show is his biggest flaw, and drafting having one draft pick from 2008 that's in the league is horrible and that pick doesn't even play for us.

 

[luongo321]

If Kesler asked for a trade in the offseason Gillis should've moved him then, Gillis biggest flaw as a GM is holding on to for too long. All this rebuilding crap should've happened last offseason, like I was saying last summer, now we just got out of this Luongo thing to open up this Kesler thing, and rebuild questions circling this team. Gillis needs to learn how to make hard calls faster, he sits on it and sits on it and sits on it then it blows up.., Hodgson, Luongo/Schneider and now Kesler and Canucks rebuild. I don't mind Gillis and he's moves but this sitting oat until its a show is his biggest flaw.

let's be honest, it's pretty obvious why kesler must have asked for a trade. He knows the sedins (at least daniel) are done and there's no chance in hell we're legit contenders as long as they are on the team. We all know they aren't going anywhere so players will start leaving.

also, shero can go **** himself. what a joke of an offer. it kinda makes me worried that the canucks were working the phones so feverishly if that was one of the better offers. Maybe there were better offers from other teams floating in that were closer that we dont know about?

 

[Jack Tripper]

If that's true, what a joke of an offer. Gillis had every reason to walk, Shero was never serious if this was his final package. Again, if that is even true. It's hard to believe Shero seriously thought that would get him Kesler.

that's basically kesler for a third line center, the 30th pick in 2014, and the 60th pick in 2015...hilariously bad

hopefully more teams will get interested at the draft, and perhaps kesler rethinks the opportunity to play in new york

 

[BoHorvatFan]

If Kesler asked for a trade in the offseason Gillis should've moved him then, Gillis biggest flaw as a GM is holding on to for too long. All this rebuilding crap should've happened last offseason, like I was saying last summer, now we just got out of this Luongo thing to open up this Kesler thing, and rebuild questions circling this team. Gillis needs to learn how to make hard calls faster, he sits on it and sits on it and sits on it then it blows up.., Hodgson, Luongo/Schneider and now Kesler and Canucks rebuild. I don't mind Gillis and his moves but this sitting pat until its a show is his biggest flaw, and drafting having one draft pick from 2008 that's in the league is horrible and that pick doesn't even play for us.

Most people wanted change last summer because of that horrible playoff sweep that told the world this core was done as any type of playoff threat. But we did nothing but add a prospect. Not a single addition to a flawed group, we knew we were throwing this season away for no reason and here we are doing just that with nothing good coming from it.

 

[shortshorts]

If that is the deal, then I'm glad we're stuck with Kesler...........

Though I'm still disappointed he didnt turf Booth, and make assets out of Higgins, Burrows, Hansen.

 

[Tiranis]

If that is the deal, then I'm glad we're stuck with Kesler...........

Though I'm still disappointed he didnt turf Booth, and make assets out of Higgins, Burrows, Hansen.

Given what other players got traded for, I doubt you get assets for Higgins or Hansen that come anywhere close to replacing what those two can provide. Just look at the chances of landing an impact player past the 1st round.

 

[7thGuest]

As much as I want to see a full re-build started, I am not disappointed that Kesler didn't get traded. This year's trade deadline seems to be a buyers market. The returns are not that great. Vanek for essentially two second round picks? That's not gonna help.

Kesler is a unique player and he is hard to replace. If we are just getting 3rd liners and picks back then there's no point trading him. There are plenty of 3rd liners you can sign in the off-season.

 

[Mofletz]

Gary Mason ‏@garymasonglobe 36m
Pitt offered Van B Sutter, 1st-rd this year; 2nd next for Kesler. Gillis wisely said no, needed prospects on top of. Pitt balked. So no deal

Sutter (We have too many bottom 6 centers Richardson, Schroeder, Matthias, Horvat, Gaunce next year)26-30th 1st round pick.

 

[CanaFan]

I was 100% fine dealing Kesler for the right deal but am also 100% fine holding him until the draft if Gillis/ownership was not satisfied with the quality of offers available. The reported Pens offer is complete garbage and this franchise would have taken a huge step backward if it had gone through. And with Kesler's reported vetoeing of a NYR deal one can appreciate that the market was more limited for Kesler than we may have thought, which was perhaps the reason for Shero's lowball offer. Essentially he felt he and Kesler could steer this trade to a landslide win for the Pens, which I am glad Gillis/ownership did not allow.

Come the draft I'm hoping Kesler opens up his options a bit wider having realized that A) Gillis won't be steered into a bad deal and,
B) There is less urgency for Gillis to make a rush deal, having the whole summer to formulate a trade rather than just a week and a half.

Overall I'm fine with today's events though I still expect and want Kesler to be dealt for a youth-focussed package.

Now to continue the free-fall and secure a top 8 pick in this draft.

 

[JuniorNelson]

Gillis finally earning some respect. He didn't force a bad trade. He didn't get fleeced. He retained key pieces for a playoff push, like he said he was going to.

He also didn't make an ass of himself in the media, which is always poised to (Rob Ford) somebody. Well, he sort of makes an ass of himself with that beard. He is going to look like Papa Smurf.

Kesler comes off badly but who cares? It's mostly media noise, anyway.

 

[BenningHurtsMySoul]

Horrible package. Gillis did well to turn that down. Kesler will likely increase his list of teams at the draft anyways.

Also, some ******** definitely went down between Shero and Kesler at the Olympics. Gillis should pursue a tampering charge.

 

[Wilch]

If Kesler asked for a trade in the offseason Gillis should've moved him then, Gillis biggest flaw as a GM is holding on to for too long. All this rebuilding crap should've happened last offseason, like I was saying last summer, now we just got out of this Luongo thing to open up this Kesler thing, and rebuild questions circling this team. Gillis needs to learn how to make hard calls faster, he sits on it and sits on it and sits on it then it blows up.., Hodgson, Luongo/Schneider and now Kesler and Canucks rebuild. I don't mind Gillis and his moves but this sitting pat until its a show is his biggest flaw, and drafting having one draft pick from 2008 that's in the league is horrible and that pick doesn't even play for us.

Wait, so holding on to Luongo (15%) for Matthias and Markstrom instead of settling for Luongo (50%) for Scrivens and two 2nds?

And this Kesler and trade demand rumour - there's no substantial evidence that points to when he demanded for a trade, if any at all.

If Kesler wanted the hell out of Vancouver, he has absolutely no reason to give Gillis a narrow list of teams to work with - which is presumably the reason why the supposed asking price was so low; on top of a poor seller's market.

Would you rather take the Sutter, 2014 1st and 2015 2nd for Kesler offer, or do you stand pat and wait to see what's available in the off season?

The league isn't static. **** happens. People get injured. Circumstances change. Kesler may be traded for a substantially higher value at the draft. While we don't know any of those, we know if Kesler is traded now, he can only fetch a pile of **** that will set the franchise back big time.

 

[timw33]

If that's what the offers were, eff that. Insulting offers.

Especially 1st and 2nds from teams that will finish 1st-5th in the league.

What a joke.

Teams will be in the hotseat before the draft so I think we'll see a better deal then—I hope so at least.

 

[luongo321]

After that insulting offer from the pens, i hope they get their ***** kicked in the playoffs.

 

[TruKnyte]

Glad Kes is still here if that's the offer Gillis was given. If he is moved later hopefully more teams drive the price up.

 

[Bleach Clean]

If that's true, what a joke of an offer. Gillis had every reason to walk, Shero was never serious if this was his final package. Again, if that is even true. It's hard to believe Shero seriously thought that would get him Kesler.

Shero was smart to offer it. Why not? If Kesler is going to nix deals to every other team, make a decent enough offer, nothing crazy, and things should work out. Only, Gillis didn't let Kesler+Shero have their way here.

This is going to be an issue moving forward. Kesler must, must expand his team list or risk a Luongo 2.0 situation happening all over again. That may sound alarmist, but for the most part, I thought Luongo handled that situation pretty well. Kesler will not handle it well, IMO.

 

[ugghhh]

Shero was smart to offer it. Why not? If Kesler is going to nix deals to every other team, make a decent enough offer, nothing crazy, and things should work out. Only, Gillis didn't let Kesler+Shero have their way here.

This is going to be an issue moving forward. Kesler must, must expand his team list or risk a Luongo 2.0 situation happening all over again. That may sound alarmist, but for the most part, I thought Luongo handled that situation pretty well. Kesler will not handle it well, IMO.

Considering what Pittsburgh got for Jordan Staal (in a similar situation as the one you proposed)... I think it's fair to say that you'd expect Shero to give a lot more than that offer. It's laughably bad.

 

[Finkle is Einhorn]

This is going to be an issue moving forward. Kesler must, must expand his team list or risk a Luongo 2.0 situation happening all over again. That may sound alarmist, but for the most part, I thought Luongo handled that situation pretty well. Kesler will not handle it well, IMO.

Difference being that at the end of a year and a half standoff you're not left with a player with an 8 year contract, but rather a depreciating ufa-to-be asset. Kesler can see the light at the end of the tunnel.

 

[MikeK]

Shero was smart to offer it. Why not? If Kesler is going to nix deals to every other team, make a decent enough offer, nothing crazy, and things should work out. Only, Gillis didn't let Kesler+Shero have their way here.

This is going to be an issue moving forward. Kesler must, must expand his team list or risk a Luongo 2.0 situation happening all over again. That may sound alarmist, but for the most part, I thought Luongo handled that situation pretty well. Kesler will not handle it well, IMO.

I agree with everything.