Post-Game Talk: NHL Trade Deadline - Canucks trade Diaz for a 5th, Kesler remains a Canuck

[BrandonL]

No need to ask why he isn't GM of the Flames anymore.

At this point I'm just hoping they find some way to bring him and Mike Milbury together on the same network.

Imagine that trade deadline show.

 

[Barney Gumble]

oh well. wait till summer/draft to trade kesler then. why didnt they keep diaz he was okay in his limited stint with the nucks

It appears he was looking for too much cash for the role he had on this team (from Habfans - reason why the Habs dealt him for a 4th line winger).

 

[WetcoastOrca]

First time poster here in the Canucks forum. I have to say that if I was a Canucks fan I would be disappointed with Gillis. If the Pens offered Olli Maatta for Kesler and Gillis turned that deal down, you guys should be really upset.

Personally I'd be really upset if the Pens offered Crosby or Malkin too and Gillis turned it down. But since no reports show that Crosby, Malkin or Maatta were offered it's all a hypothetical.
Mind you Crosby does have those concussion issues.

 

[ddawg1950]

Love it when idiots from other boards come in here with made up BS.

 

[Alan Jackson]

I think fans are frustrated because they know there's not going to be any meaningful Canuck news for months.

I mean, there's not a heck of a lot to be excited about right now. The team doesn't look like they can make the playoffs. Heck, they don't look like they can score a goal.

Outside of Matthias and a back-up goaltender, we're going to be watching the same roster for another 18 games. Is anybody looking forward to that? At this point, the results hardly matter. They won't make the playoffs, and they can't fall far enough to get a great draft pick.

It's tempting just to pack it in for the final few games and start doing something more productive with your time. I'm looking forward to the Whitecaps on Saturday, for instance.

Gillis, or whomever his replacement is, has a big task ahead in getting this market excited about the Canucks again. People are starting to lose interest, which is just about the worst news the owners can hear.

 

[Bleach Clean]

We don't even know if that was an offer. It was thrown out by someone with no info on whether they were citing sources or just saying what they think it would take. Given how closely it mirrors Gillis' asking price structure and how unrealistic it is, I would guess that it's probably not an offer but rather an example of an offer.

McKenzie speaks in examples, and he doesn't give them if he thinks they are outlandish. As proof, right when Luongo hit the block, he immediately came out and said that expectations were too high on the offers in the media, and that the Canucks would have to take a "soft deal". This rubbed people the wrong way (including myself), but it also confirmed that McKenzie doesn't mince words.

If he felt that Stepan + 1st + Miller, or Schenn + prospect + 1st were valid offer examples, without qualification (as in these are the Canucks ardent fantasies), we have to assume he knows what he's talking about. Otherwise, disregard every rumour and all example talk from McKenzie in the future.

Edit: In the same light, not a lot of people put stock into Rossi rumours prior to him floating Sutter + Despres + 1st, but now that rumour is considered legit?

Edit: Also, we know that NYR moved their 1st. We also know that Miller is playing behind Richards, Stepan and Brassard in their centre rotation. It is conceivable that this deal was realistic. The key sticking point being Stepan, and of course Kesler's unwillingness to go there...

 

[Barney Gumble]

I think fans are frustrated because they know there's not going to be any meaningful Canuck news for months.

I mean, there's not a heck of a lot to be excited about right now. The team doesn't look like they can make the playoffs. Heck, they don't look like they can score a goal.

Outside of Matthias and a back-up goaltender, we're going to be watching the same roster for another 18 games. Is anybody looking forward to that? At this point, the results hardly matter. They won't make the playoffs, and they can't fall far enough to get a great draft pick.

It's tempting just to pack it in for the final few games and start doing something more productive with your time. I'm looking forward to the Whitecaps on Saturday, for instance.

Gillis, or whomever his replacement is, has a big task ahead in getting this market excited about the Canucks again. People are starting to lose interest, which is just about the worst news the owners can hear.

Isn't that what the team did in the previous two seasons? They couldn't just 'flick on a switch' in the post-season & it cost them.

 

[MrShift4]

Love it when idiots from other boards come in here with made up BS.

Don't use the word idiots...........it offends the idiots with that kind of comparison.

 

[Cocoa Crisp]

I think fans are frustrated because they know there's not going to be any meaningful Canuck news for months.

I mean, there's not a heck of a lot to be excited about right now. The team doesn't look like they can make the playoffs. Heck, they don't look like they can score a goal.

Outside of Matthias and a back-up goaltender, we're going to be watching the same roster for another 18 games. Is anybody looking forward to that? At this point, the results hardly matter. They won't make the playoffs, and they can't fall far enough to get a great draft pick.

It's tempting just to pack it in for the final few games and start doing something more productive with your time. I'm looking forward to the Whitecaps on Saturday, for instance.

Gillis, or whomever his replacement is, has a big task ahead in getting this market excited about the Canucks again. People are starting to lose interest, which is just about the worst news the owners can hear.

With our seeming inability to score more than 1 goal per game, we could really make a hard charge for a top 5 pick. Are there enough appealing prospects this draft to legitimately fill out a top 5 and just how terrible would our record conceivably have to be in order to 'earn' such a prize?

 

[BlackAces]

Can't say I'm surprised Kesler declined the New York deal. He was one of the more outspoken players when AV left.

 

[ddawg1950]

Don't use the word idiots...........it offends the idiots with that kind of comparison.

I'll keep that in mind.

 

[Jack Tripper]

i don't get the whole notion that there is a permanent depression in the marketplace, instead i just see that there was alot of crap available at the deadline this year and teams didn't want to pay for it...vanek's value fell through the floor throughout the year (olympic escapade probably didn't help), moulson/gaborik/legwand aren't exactly players you break the bank for, and a guy like hemsky hasn't had a productive season in 4 years

that mckenzie 'example' sure is interesting although likely undoable with the st louis trade...stepan + miller + 1st is ideal with 2 forwards...i also don't understand the idea that pouliot is the dealbreaker, he's got a great future but vancouver needs young forwards more than anything else

q: was it ever confirmed that kesler vetoed any potential move to new york?

 

[John Bender*]

Can't say I'm surprised Kesler declined the New York deal. He was one of the more outspoken players when AV left.

Can you elaborate? I am not doubting this at all, I believe it to be true, but what is Keslers issue with AV?

 

[me2]

Nino, Moulson, 2015 first, 2015 second in exchange for Collberg, Clutterbuck, 2nd round pick, and 3rd round pick.

LOL. How does Snow still have a job?

Snow's a much better GM than Gillis because he did something and that's all that matters - doing something.

 

[Tiranis]

q: was it ever confirmed that kesler vetoed any potential move to new york?

Well...

There are "rumors" Kesler 100% squashed going to NYR

 

[John Bender*]

Snow's a much better GM than Gillis because he did something and that's all that matters - doing something.

Yup, make a deal, any deal or you suck. Also, on July 1st, sign someone, anyone, does not matter if its a bad contract. Just do something. If you don't, you suck. Oh......right after your make your deal or sign your UFA, we'll criticize what you did and say you should have done nothing. Got it?

 

[Bleach Clean]

i don't get the whole notion that there is a permanent depression in the marketplace, instead i just see that there was alot of crap available at the deadline this year and teams didn't want to pay for it...vanek's value fell through the floor throughout the year (olympic escapade probably didn't help), moulson/gaborik/legwand aren't exactly players you break the bank for, and a guy like hemsky hasn't had a productive season in 4 years

that mckenzie 'example' sure is interesting although likely undoable with the st louis trade...stepan + miller + 1st is ideal with 2 forwards...i also don't understand the idea that pouliot is the dealbreaker, he's got a great future but vancouver needs young forwards more than anything else

q: was it ever confirmed that kesler vetoed any potential move to new york?

He took NYR out of the running, per Kuzma, I believe. Prior to that tweet, PIT, PHI and NYR were in the 'sweepstakes' for him per Kypreos.

That said, it's unknown if a deal was in place and Gillis was rebuffed by Kesler, or that Kesler eliminated any possibility before a deal was agreed upon. We do _know_ that they were in it, and then nixed by Kesler.

Don't get me started on Vanek...

 

[WonderTwinsUnite]

Well...

Yeah, HiggsBroson is about as reliable a source as we're going to get.

 

[Sharpshooter]

How did I assume that ownership had intervened? I simply mentioned that there were rumors out there that ownership had become involved. Seems like you are being a little over-dramatic here.

Which is all the more ironic considering you were the one making definitive statements claiming that "the value wasn't there to help the team long-term", like you were sitting next to Mike Gillis in the war room.

You mentioned them? Why did you mention them other than to present them as something as equally as credible as what Gillis was offering as a reason why Kesler wasn't traded.

If not, then why mention, obvious speculation and pulled from one's ass kinda rumours?

I made statements based off of statements directly from Gillis, asserting that the return was not good enough. I can make those definitive statements, because behind my statement are the same statements coming from the person responsible for trading Kesler.

What's conversely behind your rumours??

 

[me2]

Plus, again, what exactly did the Bolts get? A guy they can't likely re-sign (rental) and a couple picks. And if they re-sign him, they have to give up a pick.

I'll say that at least that should be a good pick, potentially a lottery pick. If Yzerman gets a top 10 pick in 2015 that deal will be amazing for them, setting them for a very long time with the youth they have. I'd say it's a much better deal than we got offered for Kesler just because of the upside of the pick.

 

[vanuck]

I can't believe some of you guys, step away from the computer for a bit and use your head. Why would Gillis trade Kesler for crap? You guys should be happy Gillis was smart enough not to make a move and now more teams can actually fit Kesler in for next season with the increased cap. This board is ridiculous, even some of the more respected posters seem to miss this.

It's deadline day; everyone freaks out.

 

[Barney Gumble]

I'll say that at least that should be a good pick, potentially a lottery pick.

I don't see the Rangers slipping that far down with the goalie they have. I still wouldn't take that package for Kesler.

 

[me2]

That's it?

more like Burke though he could get a 1st and wouldn't let Cammy go because he was stubborn, rather than admitting the market was garbage for rentals.

 

[just22]

Love it when idiots from other boards come in here with made up BS.

And not at all surprising that they are Leafs fans.

 

[BlackAces]

Can you elaborate? I am not doubting this at all, I believe it to be true, but what is Keslers issue with AV?

I remember him saying, in not so many words, that he didn't like AV's hand off approach and way he handled the locker room.