League News: NHL Talk - (News n' Scores n' Stuff) | 2024-25 Summer Edition

[Nogatco Rd]

This was the biggest in season trade since ______ ?

 

[EroCaps]

I wonder if we were in on Rantanen at all given what Patrick has said about trade opportunities.

Probably don’t have the pieces and it’s a weird fit.

 

[Kalopsia]

This was the biggest in season trade since ______ ?

I can't think of another trade that's comparable to this one. It's not unheard of for a top scorer to be traded mid-season of course (Jagr was T-12th in the NHL in points and Lang was T-1st when the Caps dumped them in '04), but usually it's a bad team trading a rental for futures. I can't think of another time when two top 12 scorers were traded for each other in the middle of a season.

I wonder if we were in on Rantanen at all given what Patrick has said about trade opportunities.

Probably don’t have the pieces and it’s a weird fit.

Well he's Finnish, so...

 

[895]

I like it for Carolina. Surely Aho can convince him to re-sign.

 

[DWGie26]

That is wild! Hope some more dominos fall this weekend!

 

[usiel]

I like it for Carolina. Surely Aho can convince him to re-sign.

From a locale standpoint moving from Denver to Raleigh is a hard core meh unless he prefers a warmer climate and more anonymity.

 

[DWGie26]

From a locale standpoint moving from Denver to Raleigh is a hard core meh unless he prefers a warmer climate and more anonymity.

I mean, the Hockey culture in Raleigh is pretty damn good. And the quality of life there is also amazing.

 

[usiel]

I mean, the Hockey culture in Raleigh is pretty damn good. And the quality of life there is also amazing.

But if one wants the best of both urban and rural worlds in close proximity lets admit its not on the east coast.

Don't get me wrong here I'm a big fans of NC in everything other than the politics side. My brother was born in Charlotte we lived there about until I was in the 2nd grade (came from SF area in '70).

Side bar family moved to Mt. Vernon in VA right about 2nd grade and confronting Fairfax County school system which is one of the top in the country still. They tested me and were like nah you need to stay in 2nd as Charlotte school system in the early 70s not great. Then went out to Chicago suburbs for three years before coming back to Fairfax County in VA in '80. Luckily had no issues though was still one of the oldest in my HS draft class of almost 600. Think I was the 19th oldest in the class.

 

[Corby78]

I think Carolina did great, Colorado did pretty well since they were going to lose him, Chicago…. No idea

 

[Melkor]

Assuming Canes are to re-sign him, they did very good. Rantanen is a top-15 player in the league regardless of position or salary. The fact that he was even available is surprising. I'd have traded the shit out of that prospect pool and whatever cap that needed to go the other way if he agreed to extend

 

[troyerlaw]

Assuming Canes are to re-sign him, they did very good. Rantanen is a top-15 player in the league regardless of position or salary. The fact that he was even available is surprising. I'd have traded the shit out of that prospect pool and whatever cap that needed to go the other way if he agreed to extend

Problem is they need to re-sign Makar following season and already have fat MacKinnon contract. No way they could afford to give 96 the $14 mill he is looking for

 

[trick9]

Playoff stud for Playoff dud. With this, Avs window has shut down.

Will be interesting to see what Rantanen does. There are some Finns on the Canes team (as there are on the Avs) but seems like Rantanen knows he can get 14m with a rising cap from somewhere. How high are the Canes willing to go? That said if they lose him for nothing, year after losing Guentzel for nothing. That would be a huge failure.

 

[Melkor]

I wonder if we were in on Rantanen at all given what Patrick has said about trade opportunities.

Probably don’t have the pieces and it’s a weird fit.

As a player he'd fit right in. They might've been scared off by his contract demands.

 

[Melkor]

Problem is they need to re-sign Makar following season and already have fat MacKinnon contract. No way they could afford to give 96 the $14 mill he is looking for

I don't know what exactly the new cap ceiling is going to be but feels like those needed millions for his extension could have been somewhere in that update. Avs simply didn't want to cave in to the demands that were more like market value than team friendly , at least it looks like that.

 

[Nogatco Rd]

I think Carolina did great, Colorado did pretty well since they were going to lose him, Chicago…. No idea

deal isn’t as bad as it looks for Chicago since they’re getting their own 3rd rounder back and it’ll be at the very top of the round

 

[Nogatco Rd]

I don't know what exactly the new cap ceiling is going to be but feels like those needed millions for his extension could have been somewhere in that update. Avs simply didn't want to cave in to the demands that were more like market value than team friendly , at least it looks like that.

exactly, the word is they aren’t going any higher on anyone’s AAV than MacKinnon’s deal, so that was pretty much a non-starter for Mikko. Sounds like the trade had been in the works for a while.

 

[hb13xchamps]

exactly, the word is they aren’t going any higher on anyone’s AAV than MacKinnon’s deal, so that was pretty much a non-starter for Mikko. Sounds like the trade had been in the works for a while.

Which is stupid if the salary cap indeed rises as much as they say over the next few seasons. A worse player than Rantanen will eventually get more money than MacKinnon will

 

[895]

We are weird with Finnish players. It was never gonna happen here.

 

[marcel snapshot]

Canes goaltending still sketchy, which is why the Avs didn’t become the playoff dynasty as most expected

 

[qc14]

This is a weird one because I understand the deal from all 3 sides but at the same time I'm not quite sure I like it for any of them.

Carolina:
Getting clearly the best player in the deal and a monster playoff performer, as well as what seems like basically a free 3w rental from Chicago. Extremely high upside play and while Necas is a good player he's a flawed one and Drury + 2nd are functionally nothing for futures. I have absolutely no trust in them to re-sign Rantanen though. Dundon is cheap and the Canes management has been overly obsessed with "cap flexibility" to the detriment of actually using that flexibility. If Rantanen really does want $14Mx8 I have a hard time seeing Carolina actually step up to the plate, just look at how they dicked around with Guentzel this summer.

Colorado:
I know you don't want to lose him for free and it probably is the best long-term to not have three guys all making the absolute top of the market money. That being said, it feels like their throwing in the towel on this season to do so. Turning the money from Rantanen and Byram into basically Middlestadt, Necas, and Blackwood is ... fine I guess? Probably not the choice I would've made. I'd want them to actually bring back one real premium future in this to feel good about it.

Chicago:
Could they really not get a third for just retaining Hall and moving it in a separate deal???? Kind of a baffling decision for me.

exactly, the word is they aren’t going any higher on anyone’s AAV than MacKinnon’s deal, so that was pretty much a non-starter for Mikko. Sounds like the trade had been in the works for a while.

The "internal cap" thing is always so funny to me. Like why should I take a bad deal just because my teammate did?

We are weird with Finnish players. It was never gonna happen here.

Yea I still wonder what a Caps offer that would've competed with Carolina would look like. Strome + McMichael??

 

[DWGie26]

But if one wants the best of both urban and rural worlds in close proximity lets admit its not on the east coast.

Don't get me wrong here I'm a big fans of NC in everything other than the politics side. My brother was born in Charlotte we lived there about until I was in the 2nd grade (came from SF area in '70).

Side bar family moved to Mt. Vernon in VA right about 2nd grade and confronting Fairfax County school system which is one of the top in the country still. They tested me and were like nah you need to stay in 2nd as Charlotte school system in the early 70s not great. Then went out to Chicago suburbs for three years before coming back to Fairfax County in VA in '80. Luckily had no issues though was still one of the oldest in my HS draft class of almost 600. Think I was the 19th oldest in the class.

I lived in Colorado for a while growing up (parents worked on govt contracts for Air Force). Brother was born there. It’s a fun place. Colorado or Utah are possible landing spots for us as empty nesters. But ultimately I am an east coast guy.

 

[CapitalsCupReality]

The "internal cap" thing is always so funny to me. Like why should I take a bad deal just because my teammate did?

Or you could ask it like……”should I also take a lesser deal to try and help build a winner here like one of our best players also did?”

“If he wants 14, he can F off”…..was clearly Colorado’s reply.

 

[DWGie26]

It’s amazing to me that the caps have zero players with cap hit of $10M plus. That day will come but it won’t be Chychrun

 

[qc14]

Or you could ask it like……”should I also take a lesser deal to try and help build a winner here like one of our best players also did?”

“If he wants 14, he can F off”…..was clearly Colorado’s reply.

Yea I totally get it from a team perspective but if I was a player I would definitely tell the team to F off.

 

[CapitalsCupReality]

Yea I totally get it from a team perspective but if I was a player I would definitely tell the team to F off.

Sadly he won’t get that chance as they beat him to it.

The big name player doesn’t AlWAYS have to get max value…..I mean if they want to win in team sports.