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AlexModvechkin8 said:
Kappo traded to Seattle for a 27 year old defenseman who was drafted in the 4th round in 2015 with awful performance metrics and two magic beans that will almost certainly turn out to be nothing. Where’s the poster who told me New York would be insane to part with Kakko for Lapierre?

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How does this somehow validate your proposal? It didn’t happen did it?

It’s a pretty light return I think but part of that is because it’s to a far western conference team. They were not going to trade Kaako to the caps.

Furthermore I never said Kaako was super valuable, I said Lapierre isn’t that valuable.
 
They seemed eager to move him out of here before the Dec 20 trade freeze. Also, other than Vancouver by a close shave, not really possible to move him farther away from NYC than Seattle. So, yeah, message delivered I guess
 
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How does this somehow validate your proposal? It didn’t happen did it?

It’s a pretty light return I think but part of that is because it’s to a far western conference team. They were not going to trade Kaako to the caps.

Furthermore I never said Kaako was super valuable, I said Lapierre isn’t that valuable.
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Wasn’t it “Lappiere has no value”?
 
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Hilariously awful in every way for the Rags.

I still don't understand what Seattle is doing. While the value itself is fine they've built an entire team full of really good third liners.
 
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I'm a fan of Chytil's, but I think the Eller acquisition likely closes the door on that one.
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With Chytil being signed for 2 more seasons having Eller shouldn't really stop them from making a good deal for the long haul if they can. But it certainly isn't an area of need now, you'd be right on that.
 
It's funny when teams refuse to trade in-division.

I would love to trade in-division! You trade to make your team better and likely make the other team worse! I'd love to make another division team worse!
 
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The Rags board is embracing the trade news even better than I expected.

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AlexModvechkin8 said:
Kappo traded to Seattle for a 27 year old defenseman who was drafted in the 4th round in 2015 with awful performance metrics and two magic beans that will almost certainly turn out to be nothing. Where’s the poster who told me New York would be insane to part with Kakko for Lapierre?

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Borgen is like a younger, even shittier version of Trouba. The Rags reportedly coveted him for a while, lol.

It’s like I always say: raise your kid to be a big, physical RHD, and they’ll be set for life.
 
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qc14 said:
Hilariously awful in every way for the Rags.

I still don't understand what Seattle is doing. While the value itself is fine they've built an entire team full of really good third liners.
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I mean... they've given up nothing here. Mid pick, propably another they could've gotten for Borgen.

It's worth a shot. Kakko should be motivated and he has been badly mismanaged by the Rangers so who knows if there is actually something there when you give him a shot. As for his development it's been actually quite ridiculous to date. They kept pushing him for top-line minutes at the age of 18 when he was nowhere near NHL-ready and kept dropping him down the line-up, but this dude has never played an AHL game. They forced top-line minutes to 18-year old and for the 5 years after that they've kept him out of the top-6. He should have played in the AHL really early in his NA career since they had the luxury to do it and had to work his way up there, rather than be handed those minutes early.

He's at the same age as McMichael who only really now is breaking out. I'd guess in a game of ''who is more likely to turn into a top-6 forward'', i'd rather pick Kakko than 2 3rd rounders but hey, they pushed the situation all the way to this where they were literally forced to take anything they can get for him before this turns into an even bigger PR nightmare.
 
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trick9 said:
I mean... they've given up nothing here. Mid pick, propably another they could've gotten for Borgen.

It's worth a shot. Kakko should be motivated and he has been badly mismanaged by the Rangers so who knows if there is actually something there when you give him a shot. As for his development it's been actually quite ridiculous to date. They kept pushing him for top-line minutes at the age of 18 when he was nowhere near NHL-ready and kept dropping him down the line-up, but this dude has never played an AHL game. They forced top-line minutes to 18-year old and for the 5 years after that they've kept him out of the top-6. He should have played in the AHL really early in his NA career since they had the luxury to do it and had to work his way up there, rather than be handed those minutes early.

He's at the same age as McMichael who only really now is breaking out. I'd guess in a game of ''who is more likely to turn into a top-6 forward'', i'd rather pick Kakko than 2 3rd rounders but hey, they pushed the situation all the way to this where they were literally forced to take anything they can get for him before this turns into an even bigger PR nightmare.
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I believe that one of the most common develop mistakes for high picks is when they are more physically developed, aka NHL ready language. I feel some NHL franchises can rush these. In a situ like Tom Wilson he could impact the game as an 18 year old but it wasn't in a high skill expectation. Granted in total rebuild situation like SJ is in compared to the Rangers who have been relatively expected to be in the playoffs each year the leash is short. So they get pushed down into the bottom sick with what I would expect to be players that know their role and upside at the NHL who play to their role which I think can't stunt some offensive development for those prospects that fall into the physically mature category but need 'offensive seasoning' in the pro ranks like at the AHL level.
 
trick9 said:
I mean... they've given up nothing here. Mid pick, propably another they could've gotten for Borgen.

It's worth a shot. Kakko should be motivated and he has been badly mismanaged by the Rangers so who knows if there is actually something there when you give him a shot. As for his development it's been actually quite ridiculous to date. They kept pushing him for top-line minutes at the age of 18 when he was nowhere near NHL-ready and kept dropping him down the line-up, but this dude has never played an AHL game. They forced top-line minutes to 18-year old and for the 5 years after that they've kept him out of the top-6. He should have played in the AHL really early in his NA career since they had the luxury to do it and had to work his way up there, rather than be handed those minutes early.

He's at the same age as McMichael who only really now is breaking out. I'd guess in a game of ''who is more likely to turn into a top-6 forward'', i'd rather pick Kakko than 2 3rd rounders but hey, they pushed the situation all the way to this where they were literally forced to take anything they can get for him before this turns into an even bigger PR nightmare.
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Yea I don't necessarily disagree with any of it but I just don't get their endgame. They already have 7 (!!!!) forwards making between $4.5M and $6.5M and just added a guy who it seems like best-case scenario becomes another one. Especially so when they still have basically two of their own versions of Kaako in Beniers and Wright.

Also I would push back a little on them giving up "nothing." Two 3rd rounders can certainly turn into something useful
 
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CapitalsCupReality said:
Dude is a bust…..not sure what kind of rich return they were expecting.
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Wait, which dude? KK, in the right environment, has far more upside than Borgen. Look what we did with Oshie, Strome, From what I'm reading, the whole Ranger org is toxic from the GM down to the players. Did you see the memo Drury sent out to all the staff about not commiserating with the players? Can you imagine that here?

What we're seeing from the players is practically a full-blown mutiny against the coach and management.

Also, the more I think about how petty Drury and Lavi are, I think they intentionally do that trade to de-value KK and give him one more middle-finger out the door.

The Rags are in full meltdown and I'm lovin' it!
 
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Wait, which dude? KK, in the right environment, has far more upside than Borgen. Look what we did with Oshie, Strome, From what I'm reading, the whole Ranger org is toxic from the GM down to the players. Did you see the memo Drury sent out to all the staff about not commiserating with the players? Can you imagine that here?

What we're seeing from the players is practically a full-blown mutiny against the coach and management.

Also, the more I think about how petty Drury and Lavi are, I think they intentionally do that trade to de-value KK and give him one more middle-finger out the door.

The Rags are in full meltdown and I'm lovin' it!
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KK….former #2OA, in his 6th season….career season highs of 18g and 40 pts, 2 years ago, trending down….massive BUST. They should be happy with the draft picks lol…


In other news…

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CapitalsCupReality said:
KK….former #2OA, in his 6th season….career season highs of 18g and 40 pts, 2 years ago, trending down….massive BUST. They should be happy with the draft picks lol…


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Bust he is atleast for now but trending down how exactly? He was crap last season and scored 21 points. Sitting at 14 now in 30 games and having a much better season this time around.

Borgen and those picks? That’s crappy return for a guy trending to be cheapish ~40pt forward, even if he didn't amount to more.

Good trade for Kraken. Poor return for Rangers. I'd deal couple mid picks for cheap 40pt 3rd liner any day of the week. That’s basically what Mangiapane is trendingto be here, but his cap hit is much bigger.
 
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trick9 said:
Bust he is atleast for now but trending down how exactly? He was crap last season and scored 21 points. Sitting at 14 now in 30 games and having a much better season this time around.

Borgen and those picks? That’s crappy return for a guy trending to be cheapish ~40pt forward, even if he didn't amount to more.

Good trade for Kraken. Poor return for Rangers. I'd deal couple mid picks for cheap 40pt 3rd liner any day of the week. That’s basically what Mangiapane is trendingto be here, but his cap hit is much bigger.
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He hit 40 pts once! 2 years ago lol….bust. This is just another PoolParty-type guy…

Good trade for Seattle right now of course..they are a bad team with cap room and ice time for mediocrity.

It’s addition by subtraction for the Rangers. Bust + malcontent=untenable. I expect some more moves to be honest.
 
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