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Yes but there's such a thing as being too cautious.
Is there? What's the downside? It really only effects a relatively small group of highly compensated professionals who accept it as a condition of employment. There's basically nothing to lose by making this the rule, but it could prevent some scandal that damages the league.
 
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Crazy to me how quickly the environment around betting changed. For decades the NFL wanted no part of a team in Vegas because they didn't want to be associated with gambling and now you can't listen to NFL coverage without getting betting lines and gambling sponsor ads. The NHL vetoed Vegas' first choice of name (the Vegas Aces) because they were hesitant to be associated with gambling and now there are sportsbooks in arenas and gambling sponsors on helmets. I guess their morality dried up as soon as they saw the flow of money they could capture.
 
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Crazy to me how quickly the environment around betting changed. For decades the NFL wanted no part of a team in Vegas because they didn't want to be associated with gambling and now you can't listen to NFL coverage without getting betting lines and gambling sponsor ads. The NHL vetoed Vegas' first choice of name (the Vegas Aces) because they were hesitant to be associated with gambling and now there are sportsbooks in arenas and gambling sponsors on helmets. I guess their morality dried up as soon as they say the flow of money they could capture.

A story as old as life itself (?).
 
Crazy to me how quickly the environment around betting changed. For decades the NFL wanted no part of a team in Vegas because they didn't want to be associated with gambling and now you can't listen to NFL coverage without getting betting lines and gambling sponsor ads. The NHL vetoed Vegas' first choice of name (the Vegas Aces) because they were hesitant to be associated with gambling and now there are sportsbooks in arenas and gambling sponsors on helmets. I guess their morality dried up as soon as they saw the flow of money they could capture.
May 2018 was when a SCOTUS ruling reversed the national ban and let states decide how to regulate sports betting. I don't think it was ever a morality issue. As soon as they were allowed to, they went for it.
 
Crazy to me how quickly the environment around betting changed. For decades the NFL wanted no part of a team in Vegas because they didn't want to be associated with gambling and now you can't listen to NFL coverage without getting betting lines and gambling sponsor ads. The NHL vetoed Vegas' first choice of name (the Vegas Aces) because they were hesitant to be associated with gambling and now there are sportsbooks in arenas and gambling sponsors on helmets. I guess their morality dried up as soon as they saw the flow of money they could capture.
The world is a vampire, etc.
 
Is there? What's the downside? It really only effects a relatively small group of highly compensated professionals who accept it as a condition of employment. There's basically nothing to lose by making this the rule, but it could prevent some scandal that damages the league.

The downside is unnecessary restriction in peoples' lives, and shit like 41 game bans for role players who probably can't afford to lose their livelihood over betting on tennis or cricket or whatever unrelated sport they get busted for. Or maybe some NHLer makes a side bet with a friend on the Super Bowl like millions of other people do and gets ratted out and loses his job.

Does that seem like a fair punishment?

If you allow players to bet on their own teams, or sports other than their own, you have to be able to police that and separate the legal bets from the illegal ones. I think this is achievable with the technology available on an account-by-account basis.

There is also a stigma about athletes gambling but in some, like golf, it's expected. I don't think this is anti-scandal so much as it is anti-gambling and anti-vice, like drug suspensions. Pro sports leagues don't want sob stories about players losing their millions on traditional "vices" like gambling, and only THEN maybe fixing matches to pay the debts.

That's the only rationale I can see and it's honestly not that likely imo since any of these players can just as easily go to Vegas or some other legal gambling establishment and lose that same money at a cards table or whatever.

At the very least make the punishment fit the crime. 41 games for betting on the plinko game during Price is Right is not where we need to be.
 
The downside is unnecessary restriction in peoples' lives, and shit like 41 game bans for role players who probably can't afford to lose their livelihood over betting on tennis or cricket or whatever unrelated sport they get busted for. Or maybe some NHLer makes a side bet with a friend on the Super Bowl like millions of other people do and gets ratted out and loses his job.

Does that seem like a fair punishment?

If you allow players to bet on their own teams, or sports other than their own, you have to be able to police that and separate the legal bets from the illegal ones. I think this is achievable with the technology available on an account-by-account basis.

There is also a stigma about athletes gambling but in some, like golf, it's expected. I don't think this is anti-scandal so much as it is anti-gambling and anti-vice, like drug suspensions. Pro sports leagues don't want sob stories about players losing their millions on traditional "vices" like gambling, and only THEN maybe fixing matches to pay the debts.

That's the only rationale I can see and it's honestly not that likely imo since any of these players can just as easily go to Vegas or some other legal gambling establishment and lose that same money at a cards table or whatever.

At the very least make the punishment fit the crime. 41 games for betting on the plinko game during Price is Right is not where we need to be.

Considering his account was flagged for “unusual activity” by a watchdog organization, plinko or something else petty seems unlikely.
 
Considering his account was flagged for “unusual activity” by a watchdog organization, plinko or something else petty seems unlikely.


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This could simply mean the NHL was partnered with DK and they were watching a DK daily fantasy account and saw him set up a sportsbook account. They said he didn't bet on the NHL. So the "unusual activity" for an NHLer could simply be betting on anything at all.
 
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This could simply mean the NHL was partnered with DK and they were watching a DK daily fantasy account and saw him set up a sportsbook account. They said he didn't bet on the NHL. So the "unusual activity" for an NHLer could simply be betting on anything at all.
Or it could be they detected unusual activity THEN they discovered it was a player who set off more alarms…the ban was for “activities related to sports betting”, but they don’t say what those activities were.
 
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This could simply mean the NHL was partnered with DK and they were watching a DK daily fantasy account and saw him set up a sportsbook account. They said he didn't bet on the NHL. So the "unusual activity" for an NHLer could simply be betting on anything at all.

I believe Fridgeman on 32T said that it was gambling by proxy - his account was logged into to different IPs, causing the flags.
 
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I believe Fridgeman on 32T said that it was gambling by proxy - his account was logged into to different IPs, causing the flags.

More is coming out. Allegedly someone else was using his account, which makes no sense at all.

Seems more likely he WAS betting on hockey, they all know it, he's not fighting the suspension because of it, and the NHL lies to protect its overall integrity and avoid scrutiny....



 
Horrific injury in England tonight. Former Penguin Adam Johnson had his throat cut by a skate and it did not look good — in my opinion it was worse than Malarchuk. Not posting it here for obvious reasons and I would recommend not watching it if seeing blood makes you uncomfortable. Terrible stuff, really hope the guy is ok.

Edit: He passed away due to his injuries. Unimaginably sad.

 
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Horrific injury in England tonight. Former Penguin Adam Johnson had his throat cut by a skate and it did not look good — in my opinion it was worse than Malarchuk. Not posting it here for obvious reasons and I would recommend not watching it if seeing blood makes you uncomfortable. Terrible stuff, really hope the guy is ok.

Edit: He passed away due to his injuries. Unimaginably sad.



That is scary.
 
Pens are atrocious. At least we have improved in the last few games.
Everyone laughed at that Jarry signing the moment it happened.

Dubas should have taken a year and then surveyed the land next spring/summer to pick a different team to sign with.

Pens are going nowhere this season and then that core gets another year older next season.
 
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Everyone laughed at that Jarry signing the moment it happened.

Dubas should have taken a year and then surveyed the land next spring/summer to pick a different team to sign with.

Pens are going nowhere this season and then that core gets another year older next season.

Caps are going to be in rough shape in the near future but the difference is the Pens thought they weren’t for a few more years. Next year they also have Guentzel that is a UFA that will either get a significant raise or leave a big hole. Add in the fact they have a very old injury prone core and they could easily be looking at a bottom five finish.
 
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Caps are going to be in rough shape in the near future but the difference is the Pens thought they weren’t for a few more years. Next year they also have Guentzel that is a UFA that will either get a significant raise or leave a big hole. Add in the fact they have a very old injury prone core and they could easily be looking at a bottom five finish.
So, the league is setting up for another Penguin special, where they finish low, "miraculously" win the draft lottery, and get the number one pick...
 
So, the league is setting up for another Penguin special, where they finish low, "miraculously" win the draft lottery, and get the number one pick...
As Caps fans, we really can't complain about draft lottery luck, considering the past 20 years of our favorite franchise is built around winning the draft lottery.
 
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As Caps fans, we really can't complain about draft lottery luck, considering the past 20 years of our favorite franchise is built around winning the draft lottery.
Considering how long we were trash before we won it and how many "special" players seemed to make their way to Pitt (and not DC), I don't think it's comparable at all. The Canadian-centric NHL was happy to give us the Russian villain (and they played him up that way for a decade), while their hero was safely in Pitt...
 
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