NHL prospect Landon Sim was suspended 5 games for calling player Mennonite.

[Beerz]

Sticks and stones will break your bones.

Bad hits that potentially could maim or kill you get a game or two...

Say mean words... Boom. 5 games.

 

[blkhawk]

The real farce here is calling Sim an NHL prospect .

 

[abax44]

Well you took the time to write out an obtuse explanation of why you asked who reported it when i asked why it would matter

So i figured you needed an explanation on why it doesn’t matter

Redirect a question, get an obtuse explanation. At least I think that's how that saying goes.

I never asked you for an explanation.

 

[Barsky]

So the player has to be insulted for it to be suspendable?

If a referee hears someone call someone an offensive slur but the intended target didn’t hear it, it’s ok because they couldn’t possibly be offended by something they didn’t hear?

If one player is not offended by any racial slurs, that makes it ok to use them on him?

It doesn’t matter

Nobody is offended on behalf of someone else here

It’s been explicitly explained to these players that you cannot insult someone based on religion, race, ethnicity, sexuality, creed etc

I’m not asking if you, or the majority of the population consider being called a mennonite offensive. You probably don’t. I don’t.

I’m asking, do you feel that mennonite falls into one of those above categories? Because to me it pretty clearly does

Still makes a complete mockery of the game to suspend a kid for 5 games for silly words that no one would be insulted by, gimme a break

 

[Frank Drebin]

Still makes a complete mockery of the game to suspend a kid for 5 games for silly words that no one would be insulted by, gimme a break

You do understand why there was no choice but to suspend him yeah?

Redirect a question, get an obtuse explanation. At least I think that's how that saying goes.

I never asked you for an explanation.

You were suggesting that someone was offended on someone elses behalf

Pretty clearly not the situation here

 

[Barsky]

You do understand why there was no choice but to suspend him yeah?


You were suggesting that someone was offended on someone elses behalf

Pretty clearly not the situation here

Just because a rule is written into law does not mean it is rightfully applied in all situations nor should it. The CHL is not run by robots or computers, it's humans that can rationalize logically and rules can be selectively applied on a case by case scenario if it's obvious to everyone with a brain that applying said rule would be an egregious misapplication of the rule. Also if that the rule was not remotely intended to be applied in that specific situation. Do you expect to get a speeding ticket every time a cop sees you exceeding the speed limit by 1km/hour? If not, why is that? It's a rule after all and speeding is illegal...

 

[abax44]

You were suggesting that someone was offended on someone elses behalf

Pretty clearly not the situation here

I didn't suggest anything. If you knew the answer to the original question...

 

[Frank Drebin]

Just because a rule is written into law does not mean it is rightfully applied in all situations nor should it. The CHL is not run by robots or computers, it's humans that can rationalize logically and rules can be selectively applied on a case by case scenario if it's obvious to everyone with a brain that applying said rule would be an egregious misapplication of the rule. Also if that the rule was not remotely intended to be applied in that specific situation. Do you expect to get a speeding ticket every time a cop sees you exceeding the speed limit by 1km/hour? If not, why is that? It's a rule after all and speeding is illegal...

I think if you allow this you enter a slippery slope
Who determines what is offensive and what isn’t?
Do not insult someone on race/religion/ creed etc. simple

Kid got made an example of but i understand why

I would do the same thing in the leagues situation

No grey areas, sorry

 

[Sam de Mtl]

This situation seems to me very similar to when I threaten my 3-years old son with a disproportionate punishment to a petty offense in the hope it will deter him from doing it at all, for him to then defy me and then I am conflicted applying the punishment because I wanna stay true to my word, but the punishment is too absurdly out of proportion

 

[Barsky]

I think if you allow this you enter a slippery slope
Who determines what is offensive and what isn’t?
Do not insult someone on race/religion/ creed etc. simple

Kid got made an example of but i understand why

I would do the same thing in the leagues situation

No grey areas, sorry

Sorry, the entire planet is full of grey ares, there is nothing that is truly black and white. But yes, I understand why too given that the CHL thought punishing innocent Russian and Belarussian players for Putin's missteps was remotely a good idea and not the xenophobic BS it is. There is a clear disconnect between reality and the decision makers in the CHL and it's been like that since Dave Branch.

Why assume it's an insult when it's clearly just tongue in cheek silliness from a teenager? Good grief. And sure, just ignore my very pertinent question about speeding...

 

[Otto]

Sorry, the entire planet is full of grey ares, there is nothing that is truly black and white. But yes, I understand why too given that the CHL thought punishing innocent Russian and Belarussian players for Putin's missteps was remotely a good idea and not the xenophobic BS it is. There is a clear disconnect between reality and the decision makers in the CHL and it's been like that since Dave Branch.

Why assume it's an insult when it's clearly just tongue in cheek silliness from a teenager? Good grief. And sure, just ignore my very pertinent question about speeding...

So which religions should be exempt? How do you determine that? Any other slurs you feel you need to use?

 

[Barsky]

So which religions should be exempt? How do you determine that? Any other slurs you feel you need to use?

Sorry, what slur did I use? Point it out to me

 

[Otto]

Sorry, what slur did I use? Point it out to me

I didn't say you used one, but it's obvious by your comments you have no problem with them being used. So in your mind, which ones do you want to use? We know "Mennonite" is fair game to you, Any other religions you want to be able to target?

 

[PenguinSuitedUp]

I’d be interested in seeing how many people who think this is ridiculous would also be perfectly fine with a sexual or racial slur.

 

[x Tame Impala]

I think if you allow this you enter a slippery slope
Who determines what is offensive and what isn’t?
Do not insult someone on race/religion/ creed etc. simple

Kid got made an example of but i understand why

I would do the same thing in the leagues situation

No grey areas, sorry

Why is the CHL qualified to determine what is or is not offensive?

 

[Otto]

I’d be interested in seeing how many people who think this is ridiculous would also be perfectly fine with a sexual or racial slur.

Exactly my point. If using Mennonite in a derogatory manor is acceptable, then what else is?

Why is the CHL qualified to determine what is or is not offensive?

I mean, the rule is clearly laid out and uses the traditional marginalized groups. ( sex, race, creed) it's not something new they just came up with.

 

[x Tame Impala]

I’d be interested in seeing how many people who think this is ridiculous would also be perfectly fine with a sexual or racial slur.

That’s why we use context. Being rational and critically thinking human beings we, at least some of us, can grasp the concept that some things are worse than others.

Case in point, had he called a player the n-word or f-slur do you think his discipline would’ve stopped at a 5 game suspension or would it rightfully be a way bigger deal?

Blanket rules are dumb and Canadian rule makers/legislators are completely too sensitive and overreact to everything.

Exactly my point. If using Mennonite in a derogatory manor is acceptable, then what else is?


I mean, the rule is clearly laid out and uses the traditional marginalized groups. ( sex, race, creed) it's not something new they just came up with.

Laid out by who? Why is anyone qualified to determine what is or not allowed to be said? What human being has earned that right? How do we come to a legislative conclusion that some words are not ok?

 

[Otto]

That’s why we use context. Being rational and critically thinking human beings we, at least some of us, can grasp the concept that some things are worse than others.

Case in point, had he called a player the n-word or f-slur do you think his discipline would’ve stopped at a 5 game suspension or would it rightfully be a way bigger deal?

Blanket rules are dumb and Canadian rule makers/legislators are completely too sensitive and overreact to everything.

Well, considering Ethan Hay recently got 5 games in the OHL for a racial slur I'll say it would be a 5 game suspension

 

[x Tame Impala]

Well, considering Ethan Hay recently got 5 games in the OHL for a racial slur I'll say it would be a 5 game suspension

And yet there’s no discussion about it on HF. Whereas people are scratching their heads with this Sim case because something so innocuous is getting a severe suspension.

 

[Otto]

Laid out by who? Why is anyone qualified to determine what is or not allowed to be said? What human being has earned that right? How do we come to a legislative conclusion that some words are not ok?

Basic human rights protection. But regardless, their league their rules. Nobody is forcing you to play there. FYI.. this isn't a "Canadian thing" USA hockey suspended for slurs also

 

[PenguinSuitedUp]

That’s why we use context. Being rational and critically thinking human beings we, at least some of us, can grasp the concept that some things are worse than others.

Case in point, had he called a player the n-word or f-slur do you think his discipline would’ve stopped at a 5 game suspension or would it rightfully be a way bigger deal?

Blanket rules are dumb and Canadian rule makers/legislators are completely too sensitive and overreact to everything.

No it would not be a way bigger deal. A slur is a slur regardless of what type of person it is meant for. You don’t get to pick and choose who gets to be more offended.

You laugh because you don’t have a legitimate response.

 

[x Tame Impala]

Basic human rights protection. But regardless, their league their rules. Nobody is forcing you to play there. FYI.. this isn't a "Canadian thing" USA hockey suspended for slurs also

Canadians are generally more extreme with their speech-censorship laws and general attitude towards this sort of thing from what I’ve come to understand.

 

[Otto]

And yet there’s no discussion about it on HF. Whereas people are scratching their heads with this Sim case because something so innocuous is getting a severe suspension.

Except, again, we don't know exactly what was said. We know a derogatory comment was made in regards to a players religion. I'll ask you the same quesion ive asked before: what religions do you feel should be exempt from the rule?

 

[Frank Drebin]

Why is the CHL qualified to determine what is or is not offensive?

They don’t.

That’s why this innocent little jab was punished exactly the same as something more serious

We’ll get there eventually

 

[PenguinSuitedUp]

You laugh because you don’t have a legitimate response.